Hypothetical Castro trades that'll never happen

[Guest]

I try not to be super hard on this guy and people with similar opinions because their mindset is in the right place. OBP is good. Really good. We should want as much of it as possible. If you just look at Castro's triple slash, I can see how it's easy to overlook his other attributes wonder what all the fuss is about. Especially when you grew up watching the late 90's, early 2000's baseball we did.

 

It's even been a hard adjustment for me to make (looking at offensive numbers under the current context, looking at fielding and steals more, etc). 10 years ago, I cared about nothing but OBP and SLG. Fielding? Who cares. Steals? They're stupid. etc.

 

 

So, yea.

[fromthestretch]

It's great to want a .370+ OBP out of every position, but even the greatest offensive teams didn't have that. Castro does many other things very well and should improve in that department at least a little as he matures as a player. I don't see Castro completely falling apart as a hitter, so even if his walk totals don't increase a lot, he'll still remain a very valuable player. Having an aggressive hitter like that in the lineup doesn't mean that every hitter in the lineup is going to follow that same approach. You can get better OBP out of other positions on the field. Hell, even the 2004 Red Sox only got a .308 OBP out of the shortstop position, and they scored 949 runs that season. I realize that's an extreme example, but you can have an aggressive hitter in your lineup and still be a very productive team.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Starlin Castro is 22 years old.

 

Same age as Hanley Ramirez when the Red Sox traded him.

 

*ducks*

[El Duderino]

Starlin Castro is 22 years old.

 

Same age as Hanley Ramirez when the Red Sox traded him.

 

*ducks*

 

Hanley Ramirez had 2 AB when they traded him.

[SouthSideRyan]

Starlin Castro is 22 years old.

 

Same age as Hanley Ramirez when the Red Sox traded him.

 

*ducks*

 

And we saw how he hasn't improved since then.

[Exile on Waveland]

Starlin Castro is 22 years old.

 

And is already a productive major league player. For going on three years. As a shortstop. This basically doesn't happen; picking nits is crazy at this point.

[sneakypower]

I know the advanced metrics on defense are still being ironed out and fluctuate from season to season, but are they still saying Castro is playing well above defense this year?

he's top-5 amongst SS in just about every advanced fielding metric, and he has just 3 errors in his last 46 games

[Guest]

Theo raving about Castro's defensive improvement on Waddle and Silvy right now.

[Guest]

From a Grantland story on Bryce Harper...

 

Of the 25 hitters with the most hits through age 22, 18 of them — counting Griffey and Rodriguez — are Hall of Famers.

 

No. 25 on that list is Frank Robinson with 512 hits. Castro currently has 422 and I'd say it's a good bet that, barring injury, he'll get 90 more this year. That's not to say that Castro will be a HOFer or even a very good player, but the odds certainly favor it.

[jersey cubs fan]

That's not to say that Castro will be a HOFer or even a very good player,

 

No, that is saying he will be a very good player.

[SouthSideRyan]

He pretty much already is a very good player.

[sneakypower]

25 hitters with the most hits through age 22

full list:

 

1 Ty Cobb 765

2 Buddy Lewis 753

3 Robin Yount 717

4 Mel Ott 715

5 Al Kaline 710

6 Freddie Lindstrom 689

7 Ken Griffey 652

8 Alex Rodriguez 648

9 Vada Pinson 626

10 Cesar Cedeno 618

11 Edgar Renteria 611

12 Sherry Magee 605

13 Ted Williams 563

14 Mickey Mantle 561

15 Jimmie Foxx 560

16 Orlando Cepeda 549

17 Stuffy McInnis 545

18 Ed Kranepool 543

19 Dick Hoblitzell 538

20 Arky Vaughan 524

21 Hank Aaron 520

22 Bobby Doerr 520

23 Claudell Washington 519

24 Travis Jackson 513

25 Frank Robinson 512

 

Castro's ZiPS ROS has him due to finish with 543 career hits by season's end, which should comfortably position him within the top-20 of this list

[Cubswin11]

25 hitters with the most hits through age 22

full list:

 

1 Ty Cobb 765

2 Buddy Lewis 753

3 Robin Yount 717

4 Mel Ott 715

5 Al Kaline 710

6 Freddie Lindstrom 689

7 Ken Griffey 652

8 Alex Rodriguez 648

9 Vada Pinson 626

10 Cesar Cedeno 618

11 Edgar Renteria 611

12 Sherry Magee 605

13 Ted Williams 563

14 Mickey Mantle 561

15 Jimmie Foxx 560

16 Orlando Cepeda 549

17 Stuffy McInnis 545

18 Ed Kranepool 543

19 Dick Hoblitzell 538

20 Arky Vaughan 524

21 Hank Aaron 520

22 Bobby Doerr 520

23 Claudell Washington 519

24 Travis Jackson 513

25 Frank Robinson 512

 

Castro's ZiPS ROS has him due to finish with 543 career hits by season's end, which should comfortably position him within the top-20 of this list

Anytime you can be mentioned in the same breath as Stuffy McInnis you know you are a [expletive] boss

[Hairyducked Idiot]

What was Vada Pinson's story? I came across him the other day while looking for Harper comps.

[Guest]

25 hitters with the most hits through age 22

full list:

 

1 Ty Cobb 765

2 Buddy Lewis 753

3 Robin Yount 717

4 Mel Ott 715

5 Al Kaline 710

6 Freddie Lindstrom 689

7 Ken Griffey 652

8 Alex Rodriguez 648

9 Vada Pinson 626

10 Cesar Cedeno 618

11 Edgar Renteria 611

12 Sherry Magee 605

13 Ted Williams 563

14 Mickey Mantle 561

15 Jimmie Foxx 560

16 Orlando Cepeda 549

17 Stuffy McInnis 545

18 Ed Kranepool 543

19 Dick Hoblitzell 538

20 Arky Vaughan 524

21 Hank Aaron 520

22 Bobby Doerr 520

23 Claudell Washington 519

24 Travis Jackson 513

25 Frank Robinson 512

 

Castro's ZiPS ROS has him due to finish with 543 career hits by season's end, which should comfortably position him within the top-20 of this list

Renteria is a decent floor for what Castro's career path will look like.

[Guest]

Kevin Goldstein ‏@Kevin_Goldstein

You realize he's younger than Rizzo, Jackson and Szczur? RT @jepischke: @Kevin_Goldstein what exactly is Castro "great" at?

 

Kevin Goldstein ‏@Kevin_Goldstein

If you dislike Starlin Castro, but you're all excited about Rizzo and other prospects, you have a horrible case of Shiny New Toy syndrome.

 

Kevin Goldstein ‏@Kevin_Goldstein

DOB; walks are not binary. RT @scrotos: @Kevin_Goldstein What if you are worried that he only hits singles and shows no plate discipline?

 

Kevin Goldstein ‏@Kevin_Goldstein

Just that people get stuck in this low walks = bad player mindset. Ridiculous. RT @scrotos: @Kevin_Goldstein What does that mean?

[MSG T]

Goldstein can be an ass, but a whole lot of the people that tweet him deserve it.

[champaignchris]

From a Grantland story on Bryce Harper...

 

Of the 25 hitters with the most hits through age 22, 18 of them — counting Griffey and Rodriguez — are Hall of Famers.

 

No. 25 on that list is Frank Robinson with 512 hits. Castro currently has 422 and I'd say it's a good bet that, barring injury, he'll get 90 more this year. That's not to say that Castro will be a HOFer or even a very good player, but the odds certainly favor it.

 

Of the players with 3,000 hits, Castro has more hits before his 23rd birthday than all of them except Ty Cobb, Robin Yount, and Al Kaline. And that's with about 100 games to play before turning 23.

[CyHawk_Cub]

From a Grantland story on Bryce Harper...

 

Of the 25 hitters with the most hits through age 22, 18 of them — counting Griffey and Rodriguez — are Hall of Famers.

 

No. 25 on that list is Frank Robinson with 512 hits. Castro currently has 422 and I'd say it's a good bet that, barring injury, he'll get 90 more this year. That's not to say that Castro will be a HOFer or even a very good player, but the odds certainly favor it.

 

Of the players with 3,000 hits, Castro has more hits before his 23rd birthday than all of them except Ty Cobb, Robin Yount, and Al Kaline. And that's with about 100 games to play before turning 23.

 

Heh, and yet some meatballs are clamoring to trade him away for "upside" guys in A ball who have a chance of unknown probability at becoming as good as Starlin.

[Cubswin11]

From a Grantland story on Bryce Harper...

 

Of the 25 hitters with the most hits through age 22, 18 of them — counting Griffey and Rodriguez — are Hall of Famers.

 

No. 25 on that list is Frank Robinson with 512 hits. Castro currently has 422 and I'd say it's a good bet that, barring injury, he'll get 90 more this year. That's not to say that Castro will be a HOFer or even a very good player, but the odds certainly favor it.

 

Of the players with 3,000 hits, Castro has more hits before his 23rd birthday than all of them except Ty Cobb, Robin Yount, and Al Kaline. And that's with about 100 games to play before turning 23.

 

Heh, and yet some meatballs are clamoring to trade him away for "upside" guys in A ball who have a chance of unknown probability at becoming as good as Starlin.

I believe the word you were looking for is White guys

[Guest]

The Mariners asked the Cubs about Starlin Castro and asked the Royals about Billy Butler in recent weeks, Rosenthal reports. They also talked to other clubs about potential trades for hitters, but none of the discussions progressed.

[davell]

No, but we have a Barney, we can discuss with you. :D

[bukie]

The Mariners asked the Cubs about Starlin Castro and asked the Royals about Billy Butler in recent weeks, Rosenthal reports. They also talked to other clubs about potential trades for hitters, but none of the discussions progressed.

 

Mariners: "So, how available is Starlin Castro?"

Cubs: *click*

 

Mariners: "So, how available is Billy Butler?"

Royals: *click*

 

Mariners: "Evan Longoria?" *click* "Bryce Harper?" *click* "Mike Trout?" *click* "Matt Kemp?" *click* "Troy Tulowitzki?" *click* ...

[Tryptamine]

Jesus montero, Taijuan walker, Nick franklin and Danny Hultzen. That sounds pretty good to me. Completely unrealisitc, but still pretty nice.

[pitchcs]

You don't want Chone Figgins?