Cubs trade for Ian Stewart/Weathers pg. 5 (Colvin+DJ)

[Guest]

Cubs’ interest in Stewart wanes

 

The Cubs are in a wide-ranging search for a third baseman, but they’ve backed away from trying to acquire the Rockies’ Ian Stewart, at least for now. The situation remains fluid, however, so it’s not beyond the realm of possibility that they’ll jump back in.

 

The Rockies discussed at various points acquiring infielder Blake DeWitt and outfielder-first baseman Tyler Colvin, and the Denver Post reported that the Rockies asked about infielder DJ LeMaiheu and left-handed reliever Scott Maine.

 

Stewart’s name has come up in talks with various teams since last summer’s non-waiver Trade Deadline. The Rockies and D-backs talked back then. But if no deal is reached, expect Stewart to compete for the starting third base job with Brandon Wood, signed to a Minor League contract, and Jordan Pacheco. Chris Nelson and Jonathan Herrera, who are in the mix for playing time at second base, also play third.

 

Hopefully this means things may be picking up with SD.

 

http://harding.mlblogs.com/2011/12/06/cubs-interest-in-stewart-wanes/

[Backtobanks]

It may be posturing, but what I've read the Padres are asking for a ton to get Headley. Headley is a solid player, but he's not Santo, Schmidt, or Ramirez. If the asking price is too high, we ought to go after Stewart and see what he can do. It looks like 2012 is a year of transition anyhow.

 

I want both. If the plan is to not go after any big money guys than I'd prefer to go for a handful of guys like this.

 

Also, I really havn't heard much concrete evidence that the Pads are asking to much for Headley, just speculation.

 

Now if the Padres asked for Sean Marshall straight up for Healdey what would people think about it? I'd go for it. we still have Marmol, Wood(probably), Russell, Dolis, Samardzjia(or Cashner, 1 will be in the pen), Carpenter, Beliveau, Gaub, and Whereabouts Unknown Guzman to put together a solid pen. I'd also like to take that ambidexterious fellow in the Rule 5 if he's there by the time our pick comes around. Even if Marmols traded it's decent if Cashners ready to take the closers role.

 

Marhalls great, but he's a free agent after this year and we've all seen how highly back end bullpen guys are, especially lefities. If anyone views him as a possible closer, that makes himeven more expensive. If we could do Marshall for Headley and LeMahieu(although I'd first prefer see if they'd take Colvin or DeWitt in his place) and Maine for Stewart, I really can't see any reason not to be happy about it.

 

If you're going to start floating Marshall's name out there, the Yankees would probably start offering more valuable pieces than Headley.

 

Alternately, in honor of B2B, what if:

 

Cubs get

Headley

Stewart

 

Padres get

Russell

Seth Smith(they're reportedly shopping him)

1 good Cubs prospect, not Szczur, Jackson, or McNutt and ideally not Vitters.

 

Rockies get

Colvin or DeWitt

LeMahieu (I'd prefer keep him and send them Colvin and DeWitt but if they're giving up Stewart and Smith in the deal I doubt they'd bite)

Maine

Hudson

 

We'd be giving up 1 solid-good LH reliever or spot starter if your manager is an idiot, 1 potentially decent LH reliever, 1 good prospect, 1 guy who could be non tendered, and a young guy with a decent ceiling who would be made up for by the guys we're getting. Maybe we could even get a Padres prospect or Kyle Blanks out of the deal since the Padres seem to actually be getting the best take out of the deal.

 

If I made that trade proposal there would be 3 pages of posts making fun of me. We would be getting Headley and Stewart while giving up Russell and a few maybes.

 

I think we ought to go after Daniel Murphy unless the Padres and/or Rockies meet our offers.

[dew1679666265]

Hopefully this means things may be picking up with SD.

 

http://harding.mlblogs.com/2011/12/06/cubs-interest-in-stewart-wanes/

 

I've got to think it means either one of two things: Either the Rockies' demands are much higher than has been reported or Theo/Hoyer is making more progress on Headley (or another target) than they had been previously.

[Little Slide Rooter]

It may be posturing, but what I've read the Padres are asking for a ton to get Headley. Headley is a solid player, but he's not Santo, Schmidt, or Ramirez. If the asking price is too high, we ought to go after Stewart and see what he can do. It looks like 2012 is a year of transition anyhow.

 

I want both. If the plan is to not go after any big money guys than I'd prefer to go for a handful of guys like this.

 

Also, I really havn't heard much concrete evidence that the Pads are asking to much for Headley, just speculation.

 

Now if the Padres asked for Sean Marshall straight up for Healdey what would people think about it? I'd go for it. we still have Marmol, Wood(probably), Russell, Dolis, Samardzjia(or Cashner, 1 will be in the pen), Carpenter, Beliveau, Gaub, and Whereabouts Unknown Guzman to put together a solid pen. I'd also like to take that ambidexterious fellow in the Rule 5 if he's there by the time our pick comes around. Even if Marmols traded it's decent if Cashners ready to take the closers role.

 

Marhalls great, but he's a free agent after this year and we've all seen how highly back end bullpen guys are, especially lefities. If anyone views him as a possible closer, that makes himeven more expensive. If we could do Marshall for Headley and LeMahieu(although I'd first prefer see if they'd take Colvin or DeWitt in his place) and Maine for Stewart, I really can't see any reason not to be happy about it.

 

If you're going to start floating Marshall's name out there, the Yankees would probably start offering more valuable pieces than Headley.

 

Alternately, in honor of B2B, what if:

 

Cubs get

Headley

Stewart

 

Padres get

Russell

Seth Smith(they're reportedly shopping him)

1 good Cubs prospect, not Szczur, Jackson, or McNutt and ideally not Vitters.

 

Rockies get

Colvin or DeWitt

LeMahieu (I'd prefer keep him and send them Colvin and DeWitt but if they're giving up Stewart and Smith in the deal I doubt they'd bite)

Maine

Hudson

 

We'd be giving up 1 solid-good LH reliever or spot starter if your manager is an idiot, 1 potentially decent LH reliever, 1 good prospect, 1 guy who could be non tendered, and a young guy with a decent ceiling who would be made up for by the guys we're getting. Maybe we could even get a Padres prospect or Kyle Blanks out of the deal since the Padres seem to actually be getting the best take out of the deal.

 

If I made that trade proposal there would be 3 pages of posts making fun of me. We would be getting Headley and Stewart while giving up Russell and a few maybes.

 

I think we ought to go after Daniel Murphy unless the Padres and/or Rockies meet our offers.

 

everything gets something of value in this deal. The thing about baseles trade proposals, especially with multiple teams involved is that they rarely go down. I'm going by the needs of each individual team. The Padres could use any kind of bat and Smith is a solid one. They also expressed interest in Russell. The Rockies have expressed interest in LeMahieu, Colvin, and Maine. Cubs have expressed interest in both Headley and Stewart.

 

As for Marshall, I'd love to put him out there and see who bites in general. He's great but he's a free agent after this year and I've never been big on giving relievers big multi year contracts.

[davell]

It wouldn't surprise me if the Yanks would give us Banuelos or Betances for Marshall. I think I'd prefer trading him too. Because unless he wants to stick around on a 3 year 12 millish contract, we should probably trade him, since it's likely he's worth more now than midseason. On the open market, he's going to have teams thinking of him as a closer and he's also going to have some teams looking at him as a starter. Basically, he'll be extremely sought after.

[Little Slide Rooter]

For a year of Marshall, Banuelos or Betances is not realistic. Only way we'd get one of those 2 is if we traded them Garza. Beyond those 2, I don't know a ton about the Yankees farm system other than that it's very good and they have 2 more top catching prospects other than Montero. Yankees would be a good target though.

[Rob]

Levine says we're still in discussions for Stewart as well as Headley.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I'll be very surprised and mildly disappointed if we don't end up with one or both by the end of the week. I actually think we can end up with both without giving up anything like Szczur, McNutt or even Vitters.

[Guest]

Rosenthal:

Source: #Rockies and #Cubs discussing Ian Stewart for Tyler Colvin. #MLB

[Butterscup1679666578]

Do it.

[apete6]

Rosenthal:

Source: #Rockies and #Cubs discussing Ian Stewart for Tyler Colvin. #MLB

 

Done and done.

[rocket]

i'd probably do a tyler colvin for nothing trade

[Hairyducked Idiot]

If we really want Ian Stewart and they want to save us the extra paperwork of cutting Tyler Colvin, fine.

[ScrubMD]

Is Stewart at 2B realistic at all?

[Guest]

Is Stewart at 2B realistic at all?

 

On an everyday basis, I doubt it. On occasion, it would depend on how Sveum prefers Stewart's defense at the two positions v. the other bench candidates(LeMahieu, Flaherty, Gonzalez, FA/Trade, etc)

[rawaction]

Is Stewart at 2B realistic at all?

 

Probably not everyday. He hasn't played there since 2009, and he wasn't that good there. But he could play there from time-to-time. I don't want Stewart as the everyday 3B for any reason, but I'd be fine if he got the ABs that DeWitt got last year. And like DeWitt, he is serviceable at 2B, 3B, and corner OF (LF).

[KingCubsFan]

Is Stewart at 2B realistic at all?

 

Probably not everyday. He hasn't played there since 2009, and he wasn't that good there. But he could play there from time-to-time. I don't want Stewart as the everyday 3B for any reason, but I'd be fine if he got the ABs that DeWitt got last year. And like DeWitt, he is serviceable at 2B, 3B, and corner OF (LF).

Why not? Other than Headley, I don't see a realistic 3B option that's guaranteed to outperform Stewart. Wouldn't suprise me too much if he had a higher OPS than Headley, actually.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Is Stewart at 2B realistic at all?

 

Probably not everyday. He hasn't played there since 2009, and he wasn't that good there. But he could play there from time-to-time. I don't want Stewart as the everyday 3B for any reason, but I'd be fine if he got the ABs that DeWitt got last year. And like DeWitt, he is serviceable at 2B, 3B, and corner OF (LF).

Why not? Other than Headley, I don't see a realistic 3B option that's guaranteed to outperform Stewart. Wouldn't suprise me too much if he had a higher OPS than Headley, actually.

 

Because he's mediocre defensively, had his numbers inflated by a hitters park before last season, and is coming off both a horrific season and a major wrist injury.

[Pushfrog98]

Am I missing something? Looking at Stewart's stats, he seems pretty awful.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Am I missing something? Looking at Stewart's stats, he seems pretty awful.

 

Yes. The fact that he's a 26 year old former top prospect coming off an injury and they want Tyler Colvin for him.

[Guest]

Is Stewart at 2B realistic at all?

 

I was just thinking about the same thing. If they could somehow land both Stewart and Headley, I'd like it if one of them had the capability of playing an adequate 2b. Didn't Stewart or Headley or both play a little OF as well?

 

ETA: Headley played some outfield in '08 and '09 and Stewart played 9 games out there in '09. Stewart played some 2b in '08.

[Guest]

Wittenmyer:

 

Source: cubs and rox talking colvin for stewart.

 

Rox asked for lemaheiu. Cubs said no.

 

 

May just be parroting Rosenthal(or quoting the same source), but it's worth noting. Even Muskat mentioned those two(Colvin and Stewart) earlier.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Wittenmyer:

 

Source: cubs and rox talking colvin for stewart.

 

Rox asked for lemaheiu. Cubs said no.

 

 

May just be parroting Rosenthal(or quoting the same source), but it's worth noting. Even Muskat mentioned those two(Colvin and Stewart) earlier.

 

If it was just Colvin for Stewart I cant imagine it not being done by now. Maybe a question of who pays Stewarts salary(i think someone said it was 2.5 mil.Could it be pending the Rule 5? Maybe they want someone like Flaherty or Gonzalez and waiting to see if they make it through.

 

Similarly with the Padres and Headley maybe they're waiting for the Rule 5 so they can knock out the Headley deal and their compensation for Hoyer on one transaction.

Edited December 7, 2011 by Little Slide Rooter

[Backtobanks]

Is Stewart at 2B realistic at all?

 

Probably not everyday. He hasn't played there since 2009, and he wasn't that good there. But he could play there from time-to-time. I don't want Stewart as the everyday 3B for any reason, but I'd be fine if he got the ABs that DeWitt got last year. And like DeWitt, he is serviceable at 2B, 3B, and corner OF (LF).

Why not? Other than Headley, I don't see a realistic 3B option that's guaranteed to outperform Stewart. Wouldn't suprise me too much if he had a higher OPS than Headley, actually.

 

Daniel Murphy.

[XZero771679666304]

I'd be all right with a Stewart/Baker platoon at 3B. Headley would be better, though.