Cubs trade for Ian Stewart/Weathers pg. 5 (Colvin+DJ)

[davell]

I don't want to give up much for Stewart. He's got upside, but he's definitely a buy low guy. If the asking price is even remotely high, I'd rather just sign a Betemit, to where it doesn't cost us any prospects. I'd be willing to give up a decent package for Headley though. He's by far the best option we have.

[Cubswin11]

I don't want to give up much for Stewart. He's got upside, but he's definitely a buy low guy. If the asking price is even remotely high, I'd rather just sign a Betemit, to where it doesn't cost us any prospects. I'd be willing to give up a decent package for Headley though. He's by far the best option we have.

Agreed, I wouldn't give up more than someone like Campana and minor league filler. As for Headley I don't think I'd be against giving up someone like Lake for him.

[dew1679666265]

I don't want to give up much for Stewart. He's got upside, but he's definitely a buy low guy. If the asking price is even remotely high, I'd rather just sign a Betemit, to where it doesn't cost us any prospects. I'd be willing to give up a decent package for Headley though. He's by far the best option we have.

 

I'm warming up to the idea (I think) toonster floated out a while back of a McNutt+ package to net Headley. I didn't like it at the time and I'm still not crazy about it, but I think Headley is clearly the best option at third this offseason and could be a longterm option there.

[davell]

Yeah, the more I've read, the more in favor of Headley I am. If it takes McNutt or Szczur, I'm not getting scared away. That said, we may only have the ammo to make one solid trade, so if it comes down to adding Headley or adding a Trevor Cahill type, I'm still taking the pitching. But, if we don't have the bait to make a deal like that happen, I'm all for Headley.

[XZero771679666304]

Yeah, the more I've read, the more in favor of Headley I am. If it takes McNutt or Szczur, I'm not getting scared away. That said, we may only have the ammo to make one solid trade, so if it comes down to adding Headley or adding a Trevor Cahill type, I'm still taking the pitching. But, if we don't have the bait to make a deal like that happen, I'm all for Headley.

 

 

Headley is a safer bet, but I'd think he'll cost more in terms of prospects. I'm intrigued by Stewart, though. He has hit at every level in the minors (albeit primarily in hitter's parks), takes walks and hits for power. That said, I think there's still a good chance he never really develops into a really good ML player.

[Guest]

There was some talk that Headley's HR totals were down last year because of a concerted effort by him to change his hitting style to be more effective in Petco. Does anyone have any concerns that he'd be unable to shift back or would have some struggles while doing so?

 

Granted, he hit a ton of doubles, leaving him with a solid SLG anyway.

[MWV]

His .864 OPS away from PETCO last season was the best of his career. I don't think there's much to worry about there.

[Post Count Padder]

I'd love to have Headley, but I have a hard time seeing the Padres trading him without getting a top prospect in return (whether it's justified or not). Stewart was just plain bad last year, but he's still young and mashed in the minors. If it wouldn't cost much to get him, I don't see the harm in pulling the trigger and hoping this is the year he breaks out.

[soonercub]

Could Colvin be in package for Headley? SD needs some "pop"

[dew1679666265]

Could Colvin be in package for Headley? SD needs some "pop"

 

Possible, though certainly not as a headliner. I'd guess something like McNutt/Lake/Colvin might at least come close. Not that familiar with Josh Byrnes, though, so I don't know if he'd value Colvin at all.

[A New Era]

I'm interested as to why people think Headley is a better target than Stewart?

 

Headly hits alot of doubles but Stewarts got higher ops and slg. Atleast from a leyman's perspective Stewerts #'s look more exciting. Is it that poeple feel Steart is done because of his year last year? Park Factor? I did notice Headly's OPS+ is higher. I'm just not much of a stat reader. Could use a little laymen's explaination on the pros of Headly vs. Stewart. Would appreciate a quick run down.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/headlch01.shtml

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/stewaia01.shtml

 

Is it a case where Headley has a been a bit more consistant and is more of a safer bet to be a solid 3B offesively and defensively. Whereas Stewart is a riskier gamble, with the chance that he could be better than Headley?

[Clem Fandango]

Read David's response a few posts up from yours about Headley's approach adjustment.

 

Also, if I'm not mistaken, Headley is a plus defender at 3B

[Backtobanks]

From MLBTR:

 

•Rival teams say the Rockies would like a Double-A or Triple-A pitcher for Ian Stewart

 

Unless the Cubs are really more interested in Headley, this should be done asap.

[A New Era]

From MLBTR:

 

•Rival teams say the Rockies would like a Double-A or Triple-A pitcher for Ian Stewart

 

Unless the Cubs are really more interested in Headley, this should be done asap.

 

Yeah that's something we have alot of. I don't think Hoyer and Ep will do it unless they really took a good look at him and really feel that he is going to take the next step.

[ctcf]

Jay Jackson for Stewart

[dew1679666265]

I'm interested as to why people think Headley is a better target than Stewart?

 

Headly hits alot of doubles but Stewarts got higher ops and slg. Atleast from a leyman's perspective Stewerts #'s look more exciting. Is it that poeple feel Steart is done because of his year last year? Park Factor? I did notice Headly's OPS+ is higher. I'm just not much of a stat reader. Could use a little laymen's explaination on the pros of Headly vs. Stewart. Would appreciate a quick run down.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/headlch01.shtml

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/stewaia01.shtml

 

Is it a case where Headley has a been a bit more consistant and is more of a safer bet to be a solid 3B offesively and defensively. Whereas Stewart is a riskier gamble, with the chance that he could be better than Headley?

 

Headley's a better OBP guy (.323 for Stewart, .343 for Headley) and while Stewart has a better SLG, he's been playing in Coors while Headley has been playing in PetCo. That my not mean anything, but it has to be considered. As you noted, Headley is also seen as a much better defender at third than Stewart - for what it's worth, Headley has a 7.8 career UZR/150 while Stewart has a career 2.3 UZR/150.

 

While the numbers aren't wildly better for Headley, I really like the better OBP and defense and then when you mix in that Headley showed clear improvement in most areas in 2011 (higher BB%, cut his K%) while Stewart floundered Headley is a much more attractive option. With Stewart, there's sizable doubt about just how good he'll be next year, whereas with Headley you pretty well know what you're going to get at the least and there's sizable room for improvement as he turns 28 and gets out of PetCo.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Jay Jackson for Stewart

 

Jackson, like Rhee and Antigua are virtually untradeable before the Rule 5 but otherwise it would be a good deal. I wonder if they'd consider Casey Coleman or Alberto Cabrera. McNutts out of the question and I'd prefer not move Struck for him.

[dew1679666265]

Jay Jackson for Stewart

 

Jackson, like Rhee and Antigua are virtually untradeable before the Rule 5 but otherwise it would be a good deal. I wonder if they'd consider Casey Coleman or Alberto Cabrera. McNutts out of the question and I'd prefer not move Struck for him.

 

I don't think any of the Rule 5 guys are untradeable prior to the draft. If you select a Rule 5 guy in the draft, you have to save a 40 man roster spot for him and you have to keep him on the 25 man roster all year. However, if you trade for him prior to the draft, you can keep him in the minors, let him develop some more, and have complete control over him. There's a lot of value there.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Jay Jackson for Stewart

 

Jackson, like Rhee and Antigua are virtually untradeable before the Rule 5 but otherwise it would be a good deal. I wonder if they'd consider Casey Coleman or Alberto Cabrera. McNutts out of the question and I'd prefer not move Struck for him.

 

I don't think any of the Rule 5 guys are untradeable prior to the draft. If you select a Rule 5 guy in the draft, you have to save a 40 man roster spot for him and you have to keep him on the 25 man roster all year. However, if you trade for him prior to the draft, you can keep him in the minors, let him develop some more, and have complete control over him. There's a lot of value there.

 

That's what I originally thought, but in another thread somebody said that if a Rule 5 eligible player is traded prior to the draft, the same rules apply and you can't add anyone else to the 40 man before then even if they are traded. Unless I misunderstood.

[dew1679666265]

That's what I originally thought, but in another thread somebody said that if a Rule 5 eligible player is traded prior to the draft, the same rules apply and you can't add anyone else to the 40 man before then even if they are traded. Unless I misunderstood.

 

I've never seen that rule and can't find it anywhere. If it is accurate then that changes my view, but I can't confirm that with any link I've looked at.

[hankp101]

If the cost was the same I'd certainly prefer Headley, but I'm surprised that people think acquiring Headley would be anything but very expensive. Brynes is a Theo guy too isn't he? I'd assume he'd value Headley in much the same way our front office would. Stewart on the other hand can be had realtively cheap accoridng to reports and is still young enough to have hope for a breakout. Many people had all but given up on Alex Gordon this time last year, and he was about the same age going into last year that Stewart will be going into this year. Plus, for the 2012 Cubs to compete, they are alomost certainly going to have to find some diamond in the rough type finds. I say roll the dice on Stewart unless the Pads are more willing ot give up Headley than I'd expect.

[JeffH]

Jay Jackson for Stewart

 

Jackson, like Rhee and Antigua are virtually untradeable before the Rule 5 but otherwise it would be a good deal. I wonder if they'd consider Casey Coleman or Alberto Cabrera. McNutts out of the question and I'd prefer not move Struck for him.

 

I don't think any of the Rule 5 guys are untradeable prior to the draft. If you select a Rule 5 guy in the draft, you have to save a 40 man roster spot for him and you have to keep him on the 25 man roster all year. However, if you trade for him prior to the draft, you can keep him in the minors, let him develop some more, and have complete control over him. There's a lot of value there.

 

That's what I originally thought, but in another thread somebody said that if a Rule 5 eligible player is traded prior to the draft, the same rules apply and you can't add anyone else to the 40 man before then even if they are traded. Unless I misunderstood.

 

That was me. If teams could do that, it would completely defeat the purpose of the Rule 5 draft.

 

The Rule 5 draft is held each December at the Winter Meetings, and it consists of a Major League portion and a minor league portion. By November 20, each club must set its 40-man roster and submit reserve lists for all major and minor-league levels (See Minor League Rosters). Between November 20 and the Rule 5 draft, a club may add Major League free agents to its 40-man roster but may not add any player from its minor league reserve lists.

[MSG T]

Jay Jackson for Stewart

 

Jackson, like Rhee and Antigua are virtually untradeable before the Rule 5 but otherwise it would be a good deal. I wonder if they'd consider Casey Coleman or Alberto Cabrera. McNutts out of the question and I'd prefer not move Struck for him.

 

I don't think any of the Rule 5 guys are untradeable prior to the draft. If you select a Rule 5 guy in the draft, you have to save a 40 man roster spot for him and you have to keep him on the 25 man roster all year. However, if you trade for him prior to the draft, you can keep him in the minors, let him develop some more, and have complete control over him. There's a lot of value there.

 

That's what I originally thought, but in another thread somebody said that if a Rule 5 eligible player is traded prior to the draft, the same rules apply and you can't add anyone else to the 40 man before then even if they are traded. Unless I misunderstood.

 

That was me. If teams could do that, it would completely defeat the purpose of the Rule 5 draft.

 

The Rule 5 draft is held each December at the Winter Meetings, and it consists of a Major League portion and a minor league portion. By November 20, each club must set its 40-man roster and submit reserve lists for all major and minor-league levels (See Minor League Rosters). Between November 20 and the Rule 5 draft, a club may add Major League free agents to its 40-man roster but may not add any player from its minor league reserve lists.

 

 

Link please. Not calling you out, I'd just like to read the rules about it.

[JeffH]

http://www.purplerow.com/2009/3/26/809925/mlb-transactions-part-seve

 

http://www.bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=661:rule-5-draft&catid=44:business-of-baseball-glossary&Itemid=75

 

These are old, but that particular part of the rules hasn't changed.

[MSG T]

Thanks.