Cubs trade for Ian Stewart/Weathers pg. 5 (Colvin+DJ)

[mul21]

 

That was me. If teams could do that, it would completely defeat the purpose of the Rule 5 draft.

 

The Rule 5 draft is held each December at the Winter Meetings, and it consists of a Major League portion and a minor league portion. By November 20, each club must set its 40-man roster and submit reserve lists for all major and minor-league levels (See Minor League Rosters). Between November 20 and the Rule 5 draft, a club may add Major League free agents to its 40-man roster but may not add any player from its minor league reserve lists.

 

So does a guy count as on their minor league reserve list as soon as he's traded? If you could add him from another team's minor league list, you could do it. But I suppose that's probably not an option.

[JeffH]

So does a guy count as on their minor league reserve list as soon as he's traded?

 

Yes.

[Guest]

So does a guy count as on their minor league reserve list as soon as he's traded?

 

Yes.

Expanding on that answer a little bit, a player's status doesn't change when getting traded. Options don't get consumed, reserve status remains unchanged, etc. It has to be considered two separate transactions of the trade and then placing the player on the 40 man roster, hence against the rules until after the Rule 5 draft.

[dew1679666265]

Expanding on that answer a little bit, a player's status doesn't change when getting traded. Options don't get consumed, reserve status remains unchanged, etc. It has to be considered two separate transactions of the trade and then placing the player on the 40 man roster, hence against the rules until after the Rule 5 draft.

 

Maybe I'm just having a period of lack of reading comprehension, but does that rule forbid a team from trading for another team's minor leaguer and leaving that player off the 40 man roster? For instance, a team trades for Ryan Flaherty and does not place him on the 40 man. He'd still be eligible for the Rule 5 draft, but would otherwise be under the complete control of the acquiring team.

 

The way I read that didn't strike me as forbidding that. Am I wrong?

[davearm2]

If a team trades for Flaherty, they are not allowed to place him on the 40-man prior to the Rule 5 draft.

 

Traded or not, he will be available to be selected in the Rule 5.

[dew1679666265]

If a team trades for Flaherty, they are not allowed to place him on the 40-man prior to the Rule 5 draft.

 

Traded or not, he will be available to be selected in the Rule 5.

 

That would make more sense if true and what I was thinking was the case. Thus, it would potentially remain more beneficial to a team to trade for someone on the Cubs rather than select him in the Rule 5, since they'd have complete control over the player (assuming he's not selected) and wouldn't have to keep him in the majors all year.

[haubrich91]

You guys think the Rockies would bite on Casey Coleman for Stewart? That'd be fantastic.

[Little Slide Rooter]

You guys think the Rockies would bite on Casey Coleman for Stewart? That'd be fantastic.

 

Maybe Casey Coleman or Alberto Cabrera and Tyler Colvin or Blake DeWitt, depending on how motivated they are to move him.

[Guest]

If a team trades for Flaherty, they are not allowed to place him on the 40-man prior to the Rule 5 draft.

 

Traded or not, he will be available to be selected in the Rule 5.

 

That would make more sense if true and what I was thinking was the case. Thus, it would potentially remain more beneficial to a team to trade for someone on the Cubs rather than select him in the Rule 5, since they'd have complete control over the player (assuming he's not selected) and wouldn't have to keep him in the majors all year.

Those deals have the player as a PTBNL in about 99% of the cases, though. Otherwise the acquiring team is at risk of getting nothing if he is selected in the Rule 5.

[scarey]

There was some talk that Headley's HR totals were down last year because of a concerted effort by him to change his hitting style to be more effective in Petco. Does anyone have any concerns that he'd be unable to shift back or would have some struggles while doing so?

 

Granted, he hit a ton of doubles, leaving him with a solid SLG anyway.

 

If the Cubs acquired him, I personally would hope he would keep his approach if his increased LD% has anything to do with his change.

 

I was looking at his BABIP stats from 2009 and 2010 and he had LD% of 16.5% and 17.9% respectively. He had a 21.9% LD% last year.

 

What concerns me in general with Headley is he had around 40% more PAs in each season of 2009/2010 compared to 2011. I'm starting to wonder if the near 1300 PAs in 2009/2010 is a better indicator of what he is than the 439 PAs from last year. Or maybe he did take more of a line drive approach?

[ctcf]

jonmorosi Jon Morosi

#Padres getting hits on Headley, Bartlett, Hudson. I expect them to trade at least one of them by spring training.

 

Nice to see Headley getting mentioned in the national rumor mill as opposed to just Chicago's.

[davell]

Levine's latest blog has the Pads interested in bullpen help for Headley. Including Russell. Really? If Jeff Russell is the centerpiece of a deal that can land Headley, it needs to be done ASAP. Also said Rockies like Colvin. I read somewhere else Rockies like LeMahieu and Maine for Stewart. I'll be honest and admit I'd be very hesitant to trade DJ for him. Bottom line though is if these are the type packages required, we'll walk away with one of them, is my guess.

[ctcf]

jonmorosi Jon Morosi

#Cubs and #Angels have been most active teams on Ian Stewart, sources say. #Rockies

 

Yay?

[Little Slide Rooter]

Levine's latest blog has the Pads interested in bullpen help for Headley. Including Russell. Really? If Jeff Russell is the centerpiece of a deal that can land Headley, it needs to be done ASAP. Also said Rockies like Colvin. I read somewhere else Rockies like LeMahieu and Maine for Stewart. I'll be honest and admit I'd be very hesitant to trade DJ for him. Bottom line though is if these are the type packages required, we'll walk away with one of them, is my guess.

 

Russell as the centerpiece for a Headley deal would be a big fat yes. However, what are the other necessary pieces? Could we get away with something like Russell, Colvin/DeWitt and Castillo? I'm not nearly as high on Headley as a lot of people here but if we could get him without giving up Szczur, McNutt, or even Vitters I'd be pretty happy with it.

 

DJ and Maine for Stewart? Hmm, that's a tough one. Could care less about Maine. Even if we moved both him and Russell we'd still have Beliveau and Gaub as lefties for the pen in addition to Marshall. DJ is only 23, but if the power never comes what do we have in him? I'd be very happy with landing both Stewart and Headley if the best guy we end up trading between the 2 is LeMahieu.

 

Also I'm having trouble figuring out why the hell the Rockies seem to be so interested in Colvin. They have Car Go, Fowler, and Seth Smith, who they've been discussing trading for Prado, another outfielder. I can't see Colvin usurping any of their spots.

[Guest]

NM.

[Backtobanks]

It may be posturing, but what I've read the Padres are asking for a ton to get Headley. Headley is a solid player, but he's not Santo, Schmidt, or Ramirez. If the asking price is too high, we ought to go after Stewart and see what he can do. It looks like 2012 is a year of transition anyhow.

[Little Slide Rooter]

It may be posturing, but what I've read the Padres are asking for a ton to get Headley. Headley is a solid player, but he's not Santo, Schmidt, or Ramirez. If the asking price is too high, we ought to go after Stewart and see what he can do. It looks like 2012 is a year of transition anyhow.

 

I want both. If the plan is to not go after any big money guys than I'd prefer to go for a handful of guys like this.

 

Also, I really havn't heard much concrete evidence that the Pads are asking to much for Headley, just speculation.

 

Now if the Padres asked for Sean Marshall straight up for Healdey what would people think about it? I'd go for it. we still have Marmol, Wood(probably), Russell, Dolis, Samardzjia(or Cashner, 1 will be in the pen), Carpenter, Beliveau, Gaub, and Whereabouts Unknown Guzman to put together a solid pen. I'd also like to take that ambidexterious fellow in the Rule 5 if he's there by the time our pick comes around. Even if Marmols traded it's decent if Cashners ready to take the closers role.

 

Marhalls great, but he's a free agent after this year and we've all seen how highly back end bullpen guys are, especially lefities. If anyone views him as a possible closer, that makes himeven more expensive. If we could do Marshall for Headley and LeMahieu(although I'd first prefer see if they'd take Colvin or DeWitt in his place) and Maine for Stewart, I really can't see any reason not to be happy about it.

[Derwood]

why would the Angels want Stewart if they're trying to sign Aramis?

[Guest]

Why would the Cubs talk to the agents for both Pujols and Fielder? They both play first base.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Alternately, in honor of B2B, what if:

 

Cubs get

Headley

Stewart

 

Padres get

Russell

Seth Smith(they're reportedly shopping him)

1 good Cubs prospect, not Szczur, Jackson, or McNutt and ideally not Vitters.

 

Rockies get

Colvin or DeWitt

LeMahieu (I'd prefer keep him and send them Colvin and DeWitt but if they're giving up Stewart and Smith in the deal I doubt they'd bite)

Maine

Hudson

 

We'd be giving up 1 solid-good LH reliever or spot starter if your manager is an idiot, 1 potentially decent LH reliever, 1 good prospect, 1 guy who could be non tendered, and a young guy with a decent ceiling who would be made up for by the guys we're getting. Maybe we could even get a Padres prospect or Kyle Blanks out of the deal since the Padres seem to actually be getting the best take out of the deal.

[Derwood]

Why would the Cubs talk to the agents for both Pujols and Fielder? They both play first base.

 

But has Ramirez gotten any interest from anyone else? It seemed like Aramis to the Angels was a foregone conclusion

[Guest]

Why would the Cubs talk to the agents for both Pujols and Fielder? They both play first base.

 

But has Ramirez gotten any interest from anyone else? It seemed like Aramis to the Angels was a foregone conclusion

 

Brewers, Phillies

[davell]

Why do we want both? I'm perfectly happy with Headley and I'm OK with Stewart. But, if we can get Headley and then decide we want to try and upgrade 2B as well, then I want more than a flyer type. I just figure that 3 mill or so could be better allocated, I guess.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Why would the Cubs talk to the agents for both Pujols and Fielder? They both play first base.

 

But has Ramirez gotten any interest from anyone else? It seemed like Aramis to the Angels was a foregone conclusion

 

Stewart could also be a a utility guy with some pop off the bench or even start at 2nd.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Why do we want both? I'm perfectly happy with Headley and I'm OK with Stewart. But, if we can get Headley and then decide we want to try and upgrade 2B as well, then I want more than a flyer type. I just figure that 3 mill or so could be better allocated, I guess.

 

If we could get them both for reasonable prices, why not? Neither is a sure thing but they're gambles worth taking if we don't have to give up too much. Headley would be the starting 3B and Stewart could be the starting 2B or take DeWitts role. So far, everything the Rockies rumors have satted have been reasonable, even LeMahieu although I'd like something else in return as well if we gave them him and Maine.