Re: What would you deal Garza for?

[abuck1220]

Garza could clean up in the NL Central this year if Fielder gets dealt. IMO, Garza hits his prime over the next two years.

 

 

Matt Garza -vs-

 

Prince Fielder - 9AB, 3H, 3 2B, 4RBI, 1BB, 2K

(vs - Cubs - 225 AB, 65H, 21 2B, 12 HR, 38 RBI, 50BB, 54K, .289/.427/.551 & .978 OPS)

 

Albert Pujols - 9AB, 2H, 1 2B, 1RBI, 2BB

(vs - Cubs - 311AB, 94H, 22 2B, 26 HR, 61 RBI, 53BB, 34K, .302/.406/.624 & 1.030 OPS)

 

I don't think that the loss of Pujols and Fielder from the NLC is going to affect Garza as much as it is going to help the Cubs lose two big thorns in their side.

 

oh come on

[Guest]

The sausage king of chicago don't give a [expletive] about no sample sizes.

[Backtobanks]

Gonna pull a B2B move here for the first time, so just stay with me.

 

Cubs get: Rizzo, Turner, Smyly

Tigers get: Garza, Byrd

Padres get: Porcello, Tigers prospect

 

Cubs get their first baseman and two high upside starters. Tigers get Garza and some outfield insurance. Padres get a starter they could plug into their rotation to make up somewhat for the loss of Latos. And playing in Petco could help his numbers.

 

Laugh away.

 

As long as we're having fun, let's make it a real blockbuster:

 

Tigers get: Garza, Vitters, Jay Jackson

Padres get: Castellano, Porcello, Russell, Lake

Cubs get: Turner, Smyly, Rizzo, Headley

[davell]

With what our supposed asking price is, I'm starting to believe this is the Roberts/Peavy thread from past years. Where nothing winds up happening. If we get an extension and make a solid move or two towards contending, I'm obviously OK with this. If we add Coco Crisp and Paul Maholm, I'm not.

[toonsterwu]

I wouldn't be surprised with anything, but I still feel like, at the end of the day, a move probably happens. This front office isn't dumb - Garza's value is arguably at his peak, coming off his best year with two team-controlled years left. You are taking a risk that he can repeat his strong performance (I think he can, because there were notable reasons developmentally that led to his success, but it is fair game), and you'd be taking a chance that there would be a bigger market at the deadline.

 

I still don't see them signing Garza down, not due to desire, but more because I don't see them giving him the years that they'd likely want, combined with the money.

 

But again, won't be surprised with anything. Wouldn't surprise me if a darkhorse shot out of somewhere and landed him.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Gonna pull a B2B move here for the first time, so just stay with me.

 

Cubs get: Rizzo, Turner, Smyly

Tigers get: Garza, Byrd

Padres get: Porcello, Tigers prospect

 

Cubs get their first baseman and two high upside starters. Tigers get Garza and some outfield insurance. Padres get a starter they could plug into their rotation to make up somewhat for the loss of Latos. And playing in Petco could help his numbers.

 

Laugh away.

 

As long as we're having fun, let's make it a real blockbuster:

 

Tigers get: Garza, Vitters, Jay Jackson

Padres get: Castellano, Porcello, Russell, Lake

Cubs get: Turner, Smyly, Rizzo, Headley

 

Id just as soon get Castellano and let the Padres keep Headley. That way, we can give Stewart a year at 3rd to see what he's worth and if he's good we juice a few more years out of him until Castellenos is ready. The Pads would end up with Porcello, Lake, and Russell for Rizzo which is reasonable.

Edited January 3, 2012 by Little Slide Rooter

[imb]

Garza could clean up in the NL Central this year if Fielder gets dealt. IMO, Garza hits his prime over the next two years.

 

 

Matt Garza -vs-

 

Prince Fielder - 9AB, 3H, 3 2B, 4RBI, 1BB, 2K

(vs - Cubs - 225 AB, 65H, 21 2B, 12 HR, 38 RBI, 50BB, 54K, .289/.427/.551 & .978 OPS)

 

Albert Pujols - 9AB, 2H, 1 2B, 1RBI, 2BB

(vs - Cubs - 311AB, 94H, 22 2B, 26 HR, 61 RBI, 53BB, 34K, .302/.406/.624 & 1.030 OPS)

 

I don't think that the loss of Pujols and Fielder from the NLC is going to affect Garza as much as it is going to help the Cubs lose two big thorns in their side.

 

oh come on

 

what is Fielder's OPS in that 9-game sample? like 1.500 or something

[JeffH]

Gonna pull a B2B move here for the first time, so just stay with me.

 

Cubs get: Rizzo, Turner, Smyly

Tigers get: Garza, Byrd

Padres get: Porcello, Tigers prospect

 

Cubs get their first baseman and two high upside starters. Tigers get Garza and some outfield insurance. Padres get a starter they could plug into their rotation to make up somewhat for the loss of Latos. And playing in Petco could help his numbers.

 

Laugh away.

 

As long as we're having fun, let's make it a real blockbuster:

 

Tigers get: Garza, Vitters, Jay Jackson

Padres get: Castellano, Porcello, Russell, Lake

Cubs get: Turner, Smyly, Rizzo, Headley

 

If it's possible for a minor leaguer to have negative trade value, Jay Jackson has it.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Garza could clean up in the NL Central this year if Fielder gets dealt. IMO, Garza hits his prime over the next two years.

 

 

Matt Garza -vs-

 

Prince Fielder - 9AB, 3H, 3 2B, 4RBI, 1BB, 2K

(vs - Cubs - 225 AB, 65H, 21 2B, 12 HR, 38 RBI, 50BB, 54K, .289/.427/.551 & .978 OPS)

 

Albert Pujols - 9AB, 2H, 1 2B, 1RBI, 2BB

(vs - Cubs - 311AB, 94H, 22 2B, 26 HR, 61 RBI, 53BB, 34K, .302/.406/.624 & 1.030 OPS)

 

I don't think that the loss of Pujols and Fielder from the NLC is going to affect Garza as much as it is going to help the Cubs lose two big thorns in their side.

 

oh come on

 

what is Fielder's OPS in that 9-game sample? like 1.500 or something

 

If we sign Fielder it will be irrelevant anyway. 8-)

[JeffH]

The Pads would end up with Porcello, Lake, and Russell for Rizzo which is reasonable.

 

I like Rizzo fine and I'm no Porcello fanboy, but that seems like a lot more than "reasonable" for Anthony F. Rizzo.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Gonna pull a B2B move here for the first time, so just stay with me.

 

Cubs get: Rizzo, Turner, Smyly

Tigers get: Garza, Byrd

Padres get: Porcello, Tigers prospect

 

Cubs get their first baseman and two high upside starters. Tigers get Garza and some outfield insurance. Padres get a starter they could plug into their rotation to make up somewhat for the loss of Latos. And playing in Petco could help his numbers.

 

Laugh away.

 

As long as we're having fun, let's make it a real blockbuster:

 

Tigers get: Garza, Vitters, Jay Jackson

Padres get: Castellano, Porcello, Russell, Lake

Cubs get: Turner, Smyly, Rizzo, Headley

 

If it's possible for a minor leaguer to have negative trade value, Jay Jackson has it.

 

I wouldn't say that. If 2012 goes like 2011 did for him, than that will be the case but he did have a strong finish so theres at least the glimmer of hope left.

[Backtobanks]

Gonna pull a B2B move here for the first time, so just stay with me.

 

Cubs get: Rizzo, Turner, Smyly

Tigers get: Garza, Byrd

Padres get: Porcello, Tigers prospect

 

Cubs get their first baseman and two high upside starters. Tigers get Garza and some outfield insurance. Padres get a starter they could plug into their rotation to make up somewhat for the loss of Latos. And playing in Petco could help his numbers.

 

Laugh away.

 

As long as we're having fun, let's make it a real blockbuster:

 

Tigers get: Garza, Vitters, Jay Jackson

Padres get: Castellano, Porcello, Russell, Lake

Cubs get: Turner, Smyly, Rizzo, Headley

 

Id just as soon get Castellano and let the Padres keep Headley. That way, we can give Stewart a year at 3rd to see what he's worth and if he's good we juice a few more years out of him until Castellenos is ready. The Pads would end up with Porcello, Lake, and Russell for Rizzo which is reasonable.

 

I can go along with that. Give Theo a call and tell him to get it done. I assume you have Theo and Jed on your speed dial.

[Little Slide Rooter]

The Pads would end up with Porcello, Lake, and Russell for Rizzo which is reasonable.

 

I like Rizzo fine and I'm no Porcello fanboy, but that seems like a lot more than "reasonable" for Anthony F. Rizzo.

 

He's still a year removed from top prospect status and that alone is worth something. While Porcellos still young, his stock has gone nowhere but down since he came to the big leagues. Lake had a good fall and was very good last year until he hit AA and I think teams might have taken some notice but he's far from a top prospect. Russell's a strong pen lefty but all and all he's just a guy and a replaceable one at that. I think it's very fair. I don't know how badly you think that the Pads want to unload Rizzo but if you think that a guy who's projecting to be a 4th starter, a high ceiling but very questionable prospect, and a solid middle reliever is too much then I don't know what you'd expect him to cost.I understand that Rizzo himself is a high ceiling but questionable prospect but that top prospect status carries a decent amount of weight.

[Clem Fandango]

Ummmmm Rick Porcello had 14 wins last year u guyz. Without those 14 wins, the Tigers don't make the playoffs. Jeez. This isn't rocket science, dude's a beast.

[JeffH]

The Pads would end up with Porcello, Lake, and Russell for Rizzo which is reasonable.

 

I like Rizzo fine and I'm no Porcello fanboy, but that seems like a lot more than "reasonable" for Anthony F. Rizzo.

 

He's still a year removed from top prospect status and that alone is worth something. While Porcellos still young, his stock has gone nowhere but down since he came to the big leagues. Lake had a good fall and was very good last year until he hit AA and I think teams might have taken some notice but he's far from a top prospect. Russell's a strong pen lefty but all and all he's just a guy and a replaceable one at that. I think it's very fair. I don't know how badly you think that the Pads want to unload Rizzo but if you think that a guy who's projecting to be a 4th starter, a high ceiling but very questionable prospect, and a solid middle reliever is too much then I don't know what you'd expect him to cost.I understand that Rizzo himself is a high ceiling but questionable prospect but that top prospect status carries a decent amount of weight.

 

Opinions can differ, of course, but I don't think Rizzo is a "high ceiling" guy. He's a lot more Lyle Overbay than Adrian Gonzalez.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

Jays out on Garza?

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/01/blue-jays-unlikely-to-acquire-garza.html

[Rob]

Jays out on Garza?

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/01/blue-jays-unlikely-to-acquire-garza.html

 

I'm glad prices are reaching the point that teams feel uncomfortable.

[KingCubsFan]

Jays out on Garza?

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/01/blue-jays-unlikely-to-acquire-garza.html

Good. Find a way to get Jacob Turner and Rizzo.

[toonsterwu]

Porcello and more for Rizzo? I mean, if it helps us and the Tigers are willing ... okay. I don't love Rizzo, but he'd be a nice get.

 

That said, if I took a step back and looked at it neutrally, I wouldn't give up Porcello for Rizzo straight up. A young team-controlled starter that was showing signs of improvement with his secondary stuff is a valuable asset. Rizzo's nice, but I agree with JeffH in that I don't know if he's that elite corner slugger some folks are making him out to be. He's still unproven at the big league level.

[Brett]

Jays out on Garza?

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/01/blue-jays-unlikely-to-acquire-garza.html

 

I'm glad prices are reaching the point that teams feel uncomfortable.

 

That's a hell of a good way of putting it.

[fan_in_China]

Porcello and more for Rizzo? I mean, if it helps us and the Tigers are willing ... okay. I don't love Rizzo, but he'd be a nice get.

 

That said, if I took a step back and looked at it neutrally, I wouldn't give up Porcello for Rizzo straight up. A young team-controlled starter that was showing signs of improvement with his secondary stuff is a valuable asset. Rizzo's nice, but I agree with JeffH in that I don't know if he's that elite corner slugger some folks are making him out to be. He's still unproven at the big league level.

I agree with not being in love with Rizzo. I personally would rather gets Blanks for a lesser price, but... I think Theo and Jed disagree. I trust their judgement on this guy. They have done a good job on assessing near ready major league talent.

 

If they get him

[Little Slide Rooter]

I like to see that. Basically it's what they've said all along. They dont need to trade him but they will if they get what they want. If the Jays didn't give us what we wanted, that's their perogative. I don't mind settling for the best offer on guys like Byrd, Soriano, Dempster, or Zambrano but Garza has real value and will continue to in the summer or else he could be extended.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Porcello and more for Rizzo? I mean, if it helps us and the Tigers are willing ... okay. I don't love Rizzo, but he'd be a nice get.

 

That said, if I took a step back and looked at it neutrally, I wouldn't give up Porcello for Rizzo straight up. A young team-controlled starter that was showing signs of improvement with his secondary stuff is a valuable asset. Rizzo's nice, but I agree with JeffH in that I don't know if he's that elite corner slugger some folks are making him out to be. He's still unproven at the big league level.

I agree with not being in love with Rizzo. I personally would rather gets Blanks for a lesser price, but... I think Theo and Jed disagree. I trust their judgement on this guy. They have done a good job on assessing near ready major league talent.

 

If they get him

 

I'd be mildly intrigued by Blanks if we could get him for James Russell and change. Otherwise I'd be just as happy to welcome Matt Murton back to our side of the pond.

[davell]

I hate to say it, but I kind of agree with Toronto's thinking. They're not really in need of him yet. If they added Fielder, then maybe so. But, right now, giving up a ton for 2 years of Garza doesn't make a ton of sense, because even by adding him, they're probably still 4th in that division right now. I hope Detroit goes ahead and makes us an offer we can't refuse. Heard the Marlins are considered one of the favorites now too, unless they're offering LoMo and Yelich, I just can't see it.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Yeah, but if they traded for Garza and signed Fielder, all of the sudden it's time to start taking them seriously.