Multiyear extension for Marmol to be announced Monday (P. 2)

[Cubs Fan Dan]

What is he worth in a 2-3 year deal? The current marketplace is crazy for dominating closers but what is fair for Carlos?

 

Would you stick to a 2 year deal near 14-16 mil or go 3 at 20-22 mil?

 

I love Marmol but in my opinion anything over 2 years scares me.

[Radar3454]

I would go year by year and let him go as a FA and take the picks - don't believe in spending huge $$$/years on a closer

[SouthSideRyan]

I would go year by year and let him go as a FA and take the picks - don't believe in spending huge $$$/years on a closer

 

Yep.

[CubsWin]

I would go year by year and let him go as a FA and take the picks - don't believe in spending huge $$$/years on a closer

That's definitely wise, especially when you're the Oakland A's, but what if you're the Red Sox or the Cubs and you have the money. Is it good to let the talent walk and get the picks and rebuild the back end of your bullpen over and over again? Truly asking...

[Outshined_One]

I would go year by year and let him go as a FA and take the picks - don't believe in spending huge $$$/years on a closer

That's definitely wise, especially when you're the Oakland A's, but what if you're the Red Sox or the Cubs and you have the money. Is it good to let the talent walk and get the picks and rebuild the back end of your bullpen over and over again? Truly asking...

 

The difficulty I have with locking up Marmol for big years and money is that he always seems like he's one bad pitch away from having his right arm fly into the fifth row behind home plate. Plus, there are a number of guys in the high minors who could step forward in the next year or two who could provide quality outings for much cheaper than Marmol. Plus, I have to think Marmol's 15.99 K/9 and 0.12 HR/9 will regress next season.

 

Relievers with big contracts always make me skittish. Marmol is no exception. Anything over two years would be difficult to stomach if his production falls off.

[Radar3454]

I would go year by year and let him go as a FA and take the picks - don't believe in spending huge $$$/years on a closer

That's definitely wise, especially when you're the Oakland A's, but what if you're the Red Sox or the Cubs and you have the money. Is it good to let the talent walk and get the picks and rebuild the back end of your bullpen over and over again? Truly asking...

 

I see where you are coming from but I think there are better areas to spend $$$/years. No way would I do an early deal with him b/c of injury risk.

[fiver]

I would go year by year and let him go as a FA and take the picks - don't believe in spending huge $$$/years on a closer

That's definitely wise, especially when you're the Oakland A's, but what if you're the Red Sox or the Cubs and you have the money. Is it good to let the talent walk and get the picks and rebuild the back end of your bullpen over and over again? Truly asking...

 

The difficulty I have with locking up Marmol for big years and money is that he always seems like he's one bad pitch away from having his right arm fly into the fifth row behind home plate. Plus, there are a number of guys in the high minors who could step forward in the next year or two who could provide quality outings for much cheaper than Marmol. Plus, I have to think Marmol's 15.99 K/9 and 0.12 HR/9 will regress next season.

 

Relievers with big contracts always make me skittish. Marmol is no exception. Anything over two years would be difficult to stomach if his production falls off.

 

agree, we are in dangerous territory here...

[Soul]

He's starting to build up mileage on that arm now, too. And with that motion......

 

I really like Marmol. But I agree, it would be unwise to dedicate a lot of time & money to a big contract.

[ChiCubsFan]

But he is the most exciting pitcher (and maybe player) we have, and I think that's going to factor into this unfortunately. I would bet we could net a couple top prospects at the deadline or next years deadline for him, which is the way I'd want to go. The draft is so much of a crapshoot that I'd rather just trade him for prospects that we'd have a little better idea of what they really are. When is he under team control until? After the 2012 season?

[Wheelimus]

Perhaps they can talk him into several of the years being team options with considerable buyouts. I'd rather pay him 3 or 4 million not to pitch one season than be on the hook for 3 seasons when his arm gives out.

[Clem Fandango]

If they do sign him to an extension, for the love of God don't give him a NTC

[Ding Dong Johnson]

If they do sign him to an extension, for the love of God don't give him a NTC

That page of the contract template is read-only.

[Backtobanks]

I would go year by year and let him go as a FA and take the picks - don't believe in spending huge $$$/years on a closer

That's definitely wise, especially when you're the Oakland A's, but what if you're the Red Sox or the Cubs and you have the money. Is it good to let the talent walk and get the picks and rebuild the back end of your bullpen over and over again? Truly asking...

 

The difficulty I have with locking up Marmol for big years and money is that he always seems like he's one bad pitch away from having his right arm fly into the fifth row behind home plate. Plus, there are a number of guys in the high minors who could step forward in the next year or two who could provide quality outings for much cheaper than Marmol. Plus, I have to think Marmol's 15.99 K/9 and 0.12 HR/9 will regress next season.Relievers with big contracts always make me skittish. Marmol is no exception. Anything over two years would be difficult to stomach if his production falls off.

 

I would think that it's a safe bet that he will regress next season because those numbers are ridiculous.

[davell]

I was in favor of trying to get him on a 3-4 year discounted deal, but I think I've come around to either going year to year with him or just a 2 year deal. I do think it makes sense to have a little doubt about his future health.

[SweetZombieJesus]

I would go year by year and let him go as a FA and take the picks - don't believe in spending huge $$$/years on a closer

That's definitely wise, especially when you're the Oakland A's, but what if you're the Red Sox or the Cubs and you have the money. Is it good to let the talent walk and get the picks and rebuild the back end of your bullpen over and over again? Truly asking...

 

The difficulty I have with locking up Marmol for big years and money is that he always seems like he's one bad pitch away from having his right arm fly into the fifth row behind home plate. Plus, there are a number of guys in the high minors who could step forward in the next year or two who could provide quality outings for much cheaper than Marmol. Plus, I have to think Marmol's 15.99 K/9 and 0.12 HR/9 will regress next season.

 

Relievers with big contracts always make me skittish. Marmol is no exception. Anything over two years would be difficult to stomach if his production falls off.

 

How is that different than any other pitcher?

[Wheelimus]

Really we should just say that going 3 to 4 years for ANY relief pitcher is risky. Probably a 50/50 crapshoot at best. I'm not going to mind if we wind up betting on our own as it were, but I'm not going to be shocked if he breaks down halfway through a deal.

[Guest]

I would go year by year and let him go as a FA and take the picks - don't believe in spending huge $$$/years on a closer

That's definitely wise, especially when you're the Oakland A's, but what if you're the Red Sox or the Cubs and you have the money. Is it good to let the talent walk and get the picks and rebuild the back end of your bullpen over and over again? Truly asking...

 

The difficulty I have with locking up Marmol for big years and money is that he always seems like he's one bad pitch away from having his right arm fly into the fifth row behind home plate. Plus, there are a number of guys in the high minors who could step forward in the next year or two who could provide quality outings for much cheaper than Marmol. Plus, I have to think Marmol's 15.99 K/9 and 0.12 HR/9 will regress next season.

 

Relievers with big contracts always make me skittish. Marmol is no exception. Anything over two years would be difficult to stomach if his production falls off.

 

How is that different than any other pitcher?

 

Because Marmol's motion looks like something from a "don't do this" segment of a pitching instructional video, and he throws the pitch that's hardest on his arm(the slider) more than any other pitcher. As far as sliders, go, it's him, then Luke Gregorson, then everyone else way down the list.

[rawaction]

Because Marmol's motion looks like something from a "don't do this" segment of a pitching instructional video, and he throws the pitch that's hardest on his arm(the slider) more than any other pitcher. As far as sliders, go, it's him, then Luke Gregorson, then everyone else way down the list.

 

How much do you consider the fact that he is 28 years old? He's at the age where he out of the "young guy overthrowing" arm injury and not yet at the point of "old guy who can't take the arm stress anymore" arm injury.

 

It just seems like if the elbow or shoulder injury doesn't get a guy early, it's not going to get him until late in his career. Marmol has thrown this way for now 4 years thru heavy bullpen use.

[Guest]

Because Marmol's motion looks like something from a "don't do this" segment of a pitching instructional video, and he throws the pitch that's hardest on his arm(the slider) more than any other pitcher. As far as sliders, go, it's him, then Luke Gregorson, then everyone else way down the list.

 

How much do you consider the fact that he is 28 years old? He's at the age where he out of the "young guy overthrowing" arm injury and not yet at the point of "old guy who can't take the arm stress anymore" arm injury.

 

It just seems like if the elbow or shoulder injury doesn't get a guy early, it's not going to get him until late in his career. Marmol has thrown this way for now 4 years thru heavy bullpen use.

 

I think him being a converted catcher and a reliever for most of his MLB career give him an arm younger than most 28 year old pitchers.

[jersey cubs fan]

Because Marmol's motion looks like something from a "don't do this" segment of a pitching instructional video, and he throws the pitch that's hardest on his arm(the slider) more than any other pitcher. As far as sliders, go, it's him, then Luke Gregorson, then everyone else way down the list.

 

How much do you consider the fact that he is 28 years old? He's at the age where he out of the "young guy overthrowing" arm injury and not yet at the point of "old guy who can't take the arm stress anymore" arm injury.

 

It just seems like if the elbow or shoulder injury doesn't get a guy early, it's not going to get him until late in his career. Marmol has thrown this way for now 4 years thru heavy bullpen use.

 

When did Eric Gagne fall apart? 28/29? Billy Koch was around that age. I think it's incredibly difficult to compare Marmol to others. He came into the position late, is a max effort reliever who relies heavily on breaking balls and a crazy delivery. I can't justify hoping he's passed some magical age where it's no longer a concern.

[davearm2]

I was in favor of trying to get him on a 3-4 year discounted deal, but I think I've come around to either going year to year with him or just a 2 year deal. I do think it makes sense to have a little doubt about his future health.

I'm thinking that if you don't trust Marmol's health (and I don't), then trading him makes even more sense than 1- or 2-year deals.

 

If the guy blows out his elbow, then the Cubs are still left holding the bag... just not as heavy a bag.

[Guest]

I was in favor of trying to get him on a 3-4 year discounted deal, but I think I've come around to either going year to year with him or just a 2 year deal. I do think it makes sense to have a little doubt about his future health.

I'm thinking that if you don't trust Marmol's health (and I don't), then trading him makes even more sense than 1- or 2-year deals.

 

If the guy blows out his elbow, then the Cubs are still left holding the bag... just not as heavy a bag.

I think that depends on how competitive you see the team being this season.

 

I'd certainly go 1-2 year deals at this point and would heavily consider trading him at the break if we're out of the race.

[dew1679666265]

When did Eric Gagne fall apart? 28/29? Billy Koch was around that age.

 

Koch didn't really have a true breakdown point. He was terribly inconsistent his entire career. His numbers were terrible in 2003, but then he rebounded and was much better (though still not good) in 2004. His K/9 also went up dramatically from 2003 to 2004. He was done after his age 30 season, though.

 

Gagne only logged 15 innings his age 29 and 30 years, but then was good in 2007 before falling apart in 2008.

[CubsWin]

When did Eric Gagne fall apart? 28/29? Billy Koch was around that age.

 

Koch didn't really have a true breakdown point. He was terribly inconsistent his entire career. His numbers were terrible in 2003, but then he rebounded and was much better (though still not good) in 2004. His K/9 also went up dramatically from 2003 to 2004. He was done after his age 30 season, though.

 

Gagne only logged 15 innings his age 29 and 30 years, but then was good in 2007 before falling apart in 2008.

Gagne's breakdown was steriod-related, wasn't it?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

When did Eric Gagne fall apart?

whenever it was they started stricter steroid testing and penalties