Pujols signs with Angels pg 151

[Hairyducked Idiot]

@d_a_cameron: Marlins making an official announcement in media room at 11:15.

 

edit: Nevermind. It's the Reyes announcement.

 

:( I am seriously ready for some GRB misery porn.

[erik316wttn]

I am seriously ready for some porn.

Edited December 7, 2011 by erik316wttn

[mul21]

 

That's a possibility, but even then: for how long does he think he can play at a high level? Age 40? To assume he'd get even equal money to that $220m deal he'd have to get $70m over his age 38, 39, and 40 seasons. $23m is on the pretty high end of what someone would pay an aging hitter. Manny was still productive and got less.

 

I just don't see him picking a medium-term deal over a long one, unless the shorter deal really blows him out of the water (e.g., 5/180).

 

What if they're in at 6/$180? That would only leave $40M on the table and by then, who knows what you'll be able to get on a 4/$40M deal. I don't think it's a bad strategy if that's the way they're going. No idea if being the highest paid player by AAV would be something he's interested in, but it's certainly a possibility and worth a shot.

[Hollandsworths mug]

I like productive, oval shaped players who have OPS' of .939.

[Banedon]

 

That's a possibility, but even then: for how long does he think he can play at a high level? Age 40? To assume he'd get even equal money to that $220m deal he'd have to get $70m over his age 38, 39, and 40 seasons. $23m is on the pretty high end of what someone would pay an aging hitter. Manny was still productive and got less.

 

I just don't see him picking a medium-term deal over a long one, unless the shorter deal really blows him out of the water (e.g., 5/180).

 

What if they're in at 6/$180? That would only leave $40M on the table and by then, who knows what you'll be able to get on a 4/$40M deal. I don't think it's a bad strategy if that's the way they're going. No idea if being the highest paid player by AAV would be something he's interested in, but it's certainly a possibility and worth a shot.

 

They could throw some vesting years on the end too. If he meets some threshold in the last 2 years, it vests another year at $25mil or something.

[erik316wttn]

As much as I like Theo, I really don't see him swooping in there last-minute and snatching Pujols out from under everyone else, a la Cliff Lee.

[Banedon]

Haudricourt: #Brewers GM Doug Melvin says late-night meeting with Scott Boras was spur-of-moment after Boras contacted him

 

Buster_ESPN: About Boras calling Brewers re: Fielder: some GMs say if Boras calls you, it is because he needs you for the bidding.

[davearm2]

And what will be annoying if the Marlins lose out on him is that they're going to throw all that money at Fielder now killing our chances of signing him.

You misspelled fortunate

 

Your point of view on this is just dumb.

I'd bet $100 you couldn't accurately explain my point of view on this.

 

Just the fact that you're so totally against giving either one of them any kind of contract is dumb. A shorter deal for a higher AAV is the way to go, but I will agree with you that going more than 6 years for either is a bad idea.

 

Your failure to acknowledge the lack of impact bats becoming available in the next year or two (which the Cubs are in desperate need of) is blinding you. If the Cubs don't get one of these two, the rebuild (and potential ceiling for how good the team can be) will take much longer than if there's still a giant hole at first base.

I'm not against giving either one of them any kind of contract.

 

You owe me $100. ;)

[Banedon]

Hey guys, I bet you $100 that you can't guess the ever changing number I'm thinking of.

[BeerHere]

Hey guys, I bet you $100 that you can't guess the ever changing number I'm thinking of.

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[bukie]

The Cardinals have upped their offer on Albert Pujols to $220 million. Your move, Marlins.

 

If the Fish want to consider a rational model for valuing players, baseball researcher deluxe Tom Tango's model values Pujols as a six-win player in 2012 by Wins Above Replacement, assuming a 10-year, $220 million contract. The model assumes the cost of each win on the open market to cost $5 million, with that cost going up 5 percent a year and a 31-year-old player's value dropping by 5 percent a year. In simpler terms, Pujols would need to be worth $30 million in Year 1 of the deal, then remain a significant bargain over his $24.4 million salary for a few more years before becoming a significant overpay as he enters his late 30s and into his 40s.

 

Is this a realistic goal? The trends should worry you a bit. According to FanGraphs, Pujols has gone from being worth 9.1 wins in 2008 to 9 in 2009, 7.5 in 2010, and 5.1 in 2011. Of course, trends aren't ironclad, and baseball players are not predictable, stat-generating robots. Pujols suffered from nagging injuries last season, missed 15 games, and got a bit unlucky with a .277 batting average on balls in play (career .311); he may well bounce back impressively in 2012.

 

These are all mathematical considerations, though. Other than exploiting baseball's compensation pick system by signing multiple big-ticket free agents and thus surrendering a mere fourth-round pick for Pujols if he signs, the Marlins don't seem to be bidding with age curves and marginal win models in mind. Jeffrey Loria is a collector. He once signed a young Vladimir Guerrero to a contract extension even though the Expos were broke, because he understood what a masterpiece looks like. Such is the case with Pujols, the successor to Barry Bonds and Alex Rodriguez as best player in the game, and still among the game's super elite. Loria swung a deal for a grand, new stadium, he's one player away from completing the LeBron-Wade-Bosh trifecta that many media members think applies to Pujols-Reyes-Bell (I don't buy it, but whatever), and that player could end his career as one of the 10 best hitters ever to play the game.

 

It's a strange thing to see a baseball owner who'd run such low payrolls year after year that the league had to cajole him into spending more now turn around and act as if money is no object. But that might be where we are. It's not about money being an object. It's about Albert Pujols, objet d'art.

[Banedon]

Haha...such consistent information...

 

Ken_Rosenthal: Source: #STLCards have NOT met or spoken with Pujols camp today. Yet.

[erik316wttn]

The Cardinals may or may not have spoken to Albert Pujols today.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Rangers CEO Nolan Ryan said Wednesday that the club is not pursuing free agent first baseman Prince Fielder.

We have considered the Rangers a darkhorse for Fielder, but this is pretty consistent with what they have said all along. The market for the free agent slugger has been pretty slow thus far, but we expect things to pick up once the Albert Pujols situation is resolved. As of now, the Mariners are seen as the favorites, but the Cubs, Blue Jays and Marlins are also in the mix.

[davearm2]

Knock it off guys. No more warnings.

 

Hey guys, I bet you $100 that you can't guess the ever changing number I'm thinking of.

:lol:

[ManCrushOnNomar]

Here's what we know.

 

The Cardinals have spoken with Pujols' camp, and also have NOT.

The Cubs are still in it, and also definitely out of the running.

The Angels have interest, but have no interest.

The Marlins have blown away the Cardinals offer, and have offered equal value with and without a NTC.

 

That sum up the last 24 hours?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Here's what we know.

 

The Cardinals have spoken with Pujols' camp, and also have NOT.

The Cubs are still in it, and also definitely out of the running.

The Angels have interest, but have no interest.

The Marlins have blown away the Cardinals offer, and have offered equal value with and without a NTC.

 

That sum up the last 24 hours?

 

And sports journalists wonder why people don't take them seriously anymore.

[XZero771679666304]

Rangers CEO Nolan Ryan said Wednesday that the club is not pursuing free agent first baseman Prince Fielder.

We have considered the Rangers a darkhorse for Fielder, but this is pretty consistent with what they have said all along. The market for the free agent slugger has been pretty slow thus far, but we expect things to pick up once the Albert Pujols situation is resolved. As of now, the Mariners are seen as the favorites, but the Cubs, Blue Jays and Marlins are also in the mix.

 

Ryan was gushing over Fielder and the possibility of having him in the Rangers' lineup on Hot Stove last night. I don't by that they're not in. Nor do I buy that Seattle is the frontrunner.

 

Given the conflicting, scattershot reporting over the past few days, I think we have to draw our own conclusions.

[erik316wttn]

Knock it off guys. No more warnings.

 

Hey guys, I bet you $100 that you can't guess the ever changing number I'm thinking of.

:lol:

 

No, see, he's a mod. It's ok when they do it!

[CubColtPacer]

Knock it off guys. No more warnings.

 

Hey guys, I bet you $100 that you can't guess the ever changing number I'm thinking of.

:lol:

 

No, see, he's a mod. It's ok when they do it!

 

This thread is not the place to discuss board policy. Take it up with Tim or a moderator.

[Guest]

I would be very hesitant to offer Pujols a 10 year contract. I've seen video of Willie Mays later years and they weren't pretty.

[pccubfan]

 

That's a possibility, but even then: for how long does he think he can play at a high level? Age 40? To assume he'd get even equal money to that $220m deal he'd have to get $70m over his age 38, 39, and 40 seasons. $23m is on the pretty high end of what someone would pay an aging hitter. Manny was still productive and got less.

 

I just don't see him picking a medium-term deal over a long one, unless the shorter deal really blows him out of the water (e.g., 5/180).

 

What if they're in at 6/$180? That would only leave $40M on the table and by then, who knows what you'll be able to get on a 4/$40M deal. I don't think it's a bad strategy if that's the way they're going. No idea if being the highest paid player by AAV would be something he's interested in, but it's certainly a possibility and worth a shot.

 

They could throw some vesting years on the end too. If he meets some threshold in the last 2 years, it vests another year at $25mil or something.

 

Who knows how long he'd have to wait for some of that money. It could be that he's being paid by the Marlins or Cards another five years after his ten year contract is completed. That would reduce the real value of the contract and make an up front deal much more attractive.

[jersey cubs fan]

I would be very hesitant to offer Pujols a 10 year contract. I've seen video of Willie Mays later years and they weren't pretty.

 

We've got HD now so any video of Pujols should hold up really well over time.

[Guest]

I would be very hesitant to offer Pujols a 10 year contract. I've seen video of Willie Mays later years and they weren't pretty.

 

Really? Because he was still pretty damn good until 41.

[Guest]

I would be very hesitant to offer Pujols a 10 year contract. I've seen video of Willie Mays later years and they weren't pretty.

 

We've got HD now so any video of Pujols should hold up really well over time.

 

I really wish the Jordan era had happened about 10 years later. Or that TV had been 10-15 years ahead of its time.