Pujols signs with Angels pg 151

[ConstableRabbit]

They asked Jed straight up: 'What about Prince, why not build around him?" Jed: "If you consider him a long term asset, then that is a guy we talk about. We are looking for long term assets". Harold Reynolds: "Boy, you're good, you gave us nothing".

 

He also said the farm system lacks the depth they want to sustain success. He mentioned Z having to do the right things instead of saying the right things. He basically did not show any indication what they are or aren't doing with Fielder.

So from this statement people are saying our interest in Prince is overblown?

[Guest]

They asked Jed straight up: 'What about Prince, why not build around him?" Jed: "If you consider him a long term asset, then that is a guy we talk about. We are looking for long term assets". Harold Reynolds: "Boy, you're good, you gave us nothing".

 

He also said the farm system lacks the depth they want to sustain success. He mentioned Z having to do the right things instead of saying the right things. He basically did not show any indication what they are or aren't doing with Fielder.

So from this statement people are saying our interest in Prince is overblown?

 

I don't remember the reporter, but they had Hoyer saying interest was "overblown", so he used the word at least.

[Guest]

Buster_ESPN Buster Olney

And the twists and turns continue with Pujols talks: source says STL has nine-year offer on table, not 10.

1 minute ago

[minnesotacubsfan]

Buster_ESPN Buster Olney

And the twists and turns continue with Pujols talks: none of us has a [expletive] clue whats going on so we just make ish up.

1 minute ago

[Guest]

jcrasnick Jerry Crasnick

Agent Dan Lozano has called the #Marlins and told them they are out on Pujols, says source

4 minutes ago

 

jcrasnick Jerry Crasnick

Source says Pujols continues to negotiate with clubs other than #Cardinals. But Albert will not be going to Florida.

2 minutes ago

[minnesotacubsfan]

holy [expletive] if we steal Pujols i will go nuts

[ctcf]

PWSullivan Paul Sullivan

Theo: "Nothing big we're close to."

[Hairyducked Idiot]

holy [expletive] if we steal Pujols i will go nuts

 

You know what, screw it. Whether it's a good idea or not, whether he's declining or not, screw it. I'm bored and this would be fun as hell.

 

10/$275. Do it.

[davell]

If it's 9 years and the same money, that makes it even a better deal though. If the money is actually around 220, the rumored deal the Cubs may have out there matches up very good. 29 to 33 mill per, 15 to 20 mill buyout on 6th year. If you take the high end of that, it's 185 for 5. Only leaving him 35 mill away from the top end and 5 years to recoup it. The rumor , remember, came from PSD last night, not varifiable obviously, but from a good poster at least. Why hasn't this thing happened yet? There has to be more going on than what we think, or else he'd already be resigning with the Cards or taking his talents to South Beach. Which, by the way they're acting, isn't going to happen.

[RammyFanny]

PWSullivan Paul Sullivan

Theo: "Nothing big we're close to."

Honestly, with how much Theo has harped on being unpredictable, I don't believe a word he says. Not that they are close on anything, but there's no way he's ever gong to say we're close on stuff.

[Cubswin11]

PWSullivan Paul Sullivan

Theo: "Nothing big we're close to."

We all know Crane Kenney is running this team, Theo's probably out of the loop on the Pujols negotiations.

[Guest]

If it's 9 years and the same money, that makes it even a better deal though. If the money is actually around 220, the rumored deal the Cubs may have out there matches up very good. 29 to 33 mill per, 15 to 20 mill buyout on 6th year. If you take the high end of that, it's 185 for 5. Only leaving him 35 mill away from the top end and 5 years to recoup it. The rumor , remember, came from PSD last night, not varifiable obviously, but from a good poster at least. Why hasn't this thing happened yet? There has to be more going on than what we think, or else he'd already be resigning with the Cards or taking his talents to South Beach. Which, by the way they're acting, isn't going to happen.

 

 

You mean the one from two nights ago or was there something newer last night?

[ctcf]

BNightengale Bob Nightengale

Confirmed @JCrasnick: The Pujols' camp has informed the #Marlins they are out. but Pujols still has 3 offers in excess of $200 million.

 

Two others?

[minnesotacubsfan]

cards

yankees

cubs (pleasepleasepleasepleasepleaseplease)

 

?

[MWV]

God bless you, mystery team(s). Drive up the price.

[davell]

If it's 9 years and the same money, that makes it even a better deal though. If the money is actually around 220, the rumored deal the Cubs may have out there matches up very good. 29 to 33 mill per, 15 to 20 mill buyout on 6th year. If you take the high end of that, it's 185 for 5. Only leaving him 35 mill away from the top end and 5 years to recoup it. The rumor , remember, came from PSD last night, not varifiable obviously, but from a good poster at least. Why hasn't this thing happened yet? There has to be more going on than what we think, or else he'd already be resigning with the Cards or taking his talents to South Beach. Which, by the way they're acting, isn't going to happen.

 

 

You mean the one from two nights ago or was there something newer last night?

Hell, I'm the one who posted it and I honestly don't remember. Maybe it was from Monday night. There was only one rumor about the actual offer. RammyFanny came on and said the guy's an excellent poster, but not the guy that definitely has sources. He may, but nothing's panned out. MarlinBystro is the guy that's definitely legit and while this guy put up the Marlin signal, I don't believe he's weighed in at all on this. But, looking at those parameters and speculating a bit, if THIs is even close to what we offered, I can certainly see why Pujols is having a tough time making his mind up.

[ctcf]

cards

yankees

cubs (pleasepleasepleasepleasepleaseplease)

 

?

 

Yankees? Are you drunk?

 

The Angels are probably one of those two teams, I'd imagine. Wouldn't be surprised if the Nationals were getting desperate and trying to make a big move after getting cut off by the Marlins.

[ctcf]

Jon_Heyman Jon Heyman

With marlins out, and angels and cubs believed not completely serious about pujols, #cards in perfect position

[Cubswin11]

BNightengale Bob Nightengale

Confirmed @JCrasnick: The Pujols' camp has informed the #Marlins they are out. but Pujols still has 3 offers in excess of $200 million.

 

Two others?

Angels and Cubs?

[Exile on Waveland]

Yes, he's heavy. But what does that matter, exactly? The chart merely separates players based on weight-height ratio. Some of those players would look like Arnold Schwarzenegger, some like Jabba the Hut. Some of those players would be really good, some would be really bad. I have no idea, Fielder may age horribly -- maybe even because of his weight -- but I'm not convinced that's presaged. I need more than 200ish players over the course of MLB history that may or may not even have similar body types or skill-sets.

 

Good or bad doesn't matter all that much when the only thing you're being compared against is your own production. You have a valid point about whether a heavy player is in shape or not could affect the results, but that only undercuts the argument that Fielder isn't likely to age poorly... unless your contention is that all the heavy guys who are actually in shape are the ones who drag down the overall aging curve for the unabashed fatties like Fielder. And that one doesn't pass the sniff test. If anything it would make sense to expect Fielder to age worse than even the standard heavy player, given he over-qualifies for that designation by a good 40 pounds.

 

I'm not saying anything is written in stone. But make no mistake about it... Fielder carries more risk than most are willing to admit. It needs to be a serious consideration before offering him that 6th or 7th year.

 

I'm arguing that I just don't know. However, that article barely remedies my ignorance, other than (in my opinion) a rather facile comparison.

 

I agree that Fielder carries risk -- including, or almost entirely, because of his weight. I'm willing to take that risk* because, among other reasons: (a) he's relatively young at 28; (b) the Cubs desperately need an infusion of talent -- especially power hitters and a first baseman; and © if not first base this year, I'm really, really uncertain where such infusion will come from (and, without it, I envision more crappy baseball).

 

 

*Do not read as I'm unwilling to take a risk on Pujols. Also, understand that we all have a salary ceiling.

[ManCrushOnNomar]

Jon_Heyman Jon Heyman

With marlins out, and angels and cubs believed not completely serious about pujols, #cards in perfect position

I wouldn't be so sure about either of those teams not being completely serious.

[minnesotacubsfan]

oohhhhhhh the angels

 

 

comon theo, make them believers

[ConstableRabbit]

Jon_Heyman Jon Heyman

With marlins out, and angels and cubs believed not completely serious about pujols, #cards in perfect position

Who believes they're not completely serious?

 

Inference + Rumors = Hot Stove Reporting

[RammyFanny]

KenDavidoffKen Davidoff

 

A friend of Prince Fielder's says the free-agent slugger is very interested in the #Cubs.

[ctcf]

It would be in the Cubs best interests for Theo to try and prevent the Cardinals from feeling like they've gained leverage with the Marlins dropping out.