College Football - Week 11 (Nov. 13th)

[fiver]

Dude you need to chill out. I'm sure you guys are getting it from all sides now

 

understatement, but fair enough...i wasn't intending to attack you.

 

, But it's pretty damn badass when your school can, coming off a mediocre year, get THE top rated player in Arkansas, Mississippi, and Louisiana (may as well throw in that y'all got the 4th rated player in Florida too). To recruit that well outside of your own state is pretty impressive. I know it's early in the recruiting process, but Auburn is back to 21st right now in the recruiting rankings.

 

getting top RB's (Mike Dyer from Arkansas) has been one of Auburn's strengths for many years. Malzahn is an Arkansas native as you probably know. Getting Trovon Reed from Lousiana was a surprise I guess, but LSU was the logical choice, and one could make the case that their depth at WR was a bit deeper than AU's. I attributed it to him being the type of player (a QB turned WR) that would fit perfectly into a Malzahn scheme. Shon Coleman, the OL from Mississippi to which you allude, was somewhat of a surprise..Auburn does historically recruit heavily in MS and Georgia. I actually thought Bama was going to get Shon (who is battling leukemia instead of playing football right now, btw).

 

Obviously, I have no idea whether AU has done anything wrong or not...but i do feel like a lot of accusations have been made by nameless sources without any proof to this point...I admit to being a bit defensive right now. It's not like Auburn scored top players from Pac-10 or Big Ten territory.

[SouthSideRyan]

Is Auburn really a Cadillac program? I can't imagine anyone having them in their top 10 historically no matter the cut-off point.

 

They are probably just outside the top 10. But they played in and won a ton of huge games in the Tuberville era.

 

ESPN's rankings from a couple years ago put them 21st. 7th of current SEC teams

 

Just looked at the list and I don't really think 16-20 compare to Auburn when it comes to recent success and recruiting buzz.

 

I don't think Auburn measures up against Iowa, West Virginia, Va Tech, Oregon, or Boise if that's how you're going to judge it, but all of them are below Auburn. I don't see how winning 7-8 games a year the past 15 years and having "recruiting buzz"(??) makes one a Cadillac program

[SpongeWorthy]

Is Auburn really a Cadillac program? I can't imagine anyone having them in their top 10 historically no matter the cut-off point.

 

They are probably just outside the top 10. But they played in and won a ton of huge games in the Tuberville era.

 

ESPN's rankings from a couple years ago put them 21st. 7th of current SEC teams

 

Just looked at the list and I don't really think 16-20 compare to Auburn when it comes to recent success and recruiting buzz.

 

I don't think Auburn measures up against Iowa, West Virginia, Va Tech, Oregon, or Boise if that's how you're going to judge it, but all of them are below Auburn. I don't see how winning 7-8 games a year the past 15 years and having "recruiting buzz"(??) makes one a Cadillac program

 

They're more in the 8-9 range since 2000 with an 11 win season and one 13-0 season (that counts for a lot).

 

Iowa's a good comparison. The difference is that Auburn is in a much more fertile recruiting ground so them getting highly ranked classes isn't a surprise.

[SpongeWorthy]

I'd say they're pretty comparable to Illini basketball actually. Outside the historical elite but solidly in the 2nd tier and no good reason that the right hire can't build a consistent winner that occasionally competes for titles.

[fiver]

Is Auburn really a Cadillac program? I can't imagine anyone having them in their top 10 historically no matter the cut-off point.

 

They are probably just outside the top 10. But they played in and won a ton of huge games in the Tuberville era.

 

ESPN's rankings from a couple years ago put them 21st. 7th of current SEC teams

 

Just looked at the list and I don't really think 16-20 compare to Auburn when it comes to recent success and recruiting buzz.

 

I don't think Auburn measures up against Iowa, West Virginia, Va Tech, Oregon, or Boise if that's how you're going to judge it, but all of them are below Auburn. I don't see how winning 7-8 games a year the past 15 years and having "recruiting buzz"(??) makes one a Cadillac program

 

I'm not going to do the legwork to research whether Auburn should have "Cadillac program" designation, but the source of this tangential argument was whether Auburn receiving the 4th best recruiting class is alarming enough to raise a red flag. Alone, I don't think it is. Coupled with the media reports of this past week, I can see how some people are going down that road. I'll have to disagree unless proof surfaces.

[hawkeyecub]

Jason Whitlock's twitter feed has been awesome on this topic. Especially this one:

 

Cam Newton = Dope On The Table... Burrell and Rawls win again. The game is rigged, yo.

[E.J.]

DeAnthony Arnett just picked Tennessee.

[dew1679666265]

DeAnthony Arnett just picked Tennessee.

 

Nice! Hopefully the videos he did are just a weird, immature type thing and not a sign that he's more interested in youtube than football.

 

Since Dooley has established himself in the job, he's kept the guys mostly in line, so that's a positive.

[dew1679666265]

This is a good sign, I guess:

 

 

Vols commit DeAnthony Arnett said he did those stupid Web videos to "make fun of" people too into recruiting. I think I love this kid.

[Butterscup1679666578]

After being in on Sheldon Richardson for four years, he decommited from Mizzou today and is going to USC. We can't match that Kiffin Cash.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Rogers did an interview on ESPNDallas today and claims he had contact directly with Cecil Newton on Cam's behalf.

 

Also, there are rumors that Cecil Newton was contacting many people about Cam's services. Supposedly there are text messages and recordings. I don't know what is contained in those, but it isn't looking good for Newton.

 

From what I have heard, even if Auburn didn't pay for Newton, if he shopped himself to other schools, he could be ruled ineligible and therefore has been ineligible for the past nine games. I guess now the only question is whether the NCAA rules soon enough to impact this season or not.

[Guest]

After being in on Sheldon Richardson for four years, he decommited from Mizzou today and is going to USC. We can't match that Kiffin Cash.

 

Well, now we can make fun of him for being an illiterate ignoramus, at least.

[Guest]

After being in on Sheldon Richardson for four years, he decommited from Mizzou today and is going to USC. We can't match that Kiffin Cash.

 

Well, now we can make fun of him for being an illiterate ignoramus, at least.

[snoodmonger]

After being in on Sheldon Richardson for four years, he decommited from Mizzou today and is going to USC. We can't match that Kiffin Cash.

 

Well, now we can make fun of him for being an illiterate ignoramus, at least.

 

I'm not saying it's not a loss, but I think MU's recruiting is good enough that you'll be able to find a serviceable replacement. He sounds dumb enough to be a potential problem anyway.

[OleMissCub]

Just watched that 30 for 30 about Marcus Dupree. That is just unbelievably tragic. Amazing documentary.

[Andy]

5-4 Pittsburgh leads the Big East and no one in the conference is bowl-eligible. Yet someone is going to end up playing in the Fiesta Bowl.

[dew1679666265]

What happens if, theoretically, a team wins a conference and is not bowl eligible? For instance, a team finishes 5-7 overall, but all five of those wins come in conference and the rest of the conference is horrendous?

 

I would assume the team still goes to a bowl, but is that really addressed since it's an incredibly fluky thing?

[Guest]

5-4 Pittsburgh leads the Big East and no one in the conference is bowl-eligible. Yet someone is going to end up playing in the Fiesta Bowl.

 

Petition for Boise State (assuming they finish behind TCU and thus don't get an auto-bid) to take the Big East spot. I doubt anyone would really have a problem with this.

[Garwilly]

What happens if, theoretically, a team wins a conference and is not bowl eligible? For instance, a team finishes 5-7 overall, but all five of those wins come in conference and the rest of the conference is horrendous?

 

I would assume the team still goes to a bowl, but is that really addressed since it's an incredibly fluky thing?

 

I actually was reading this the other day. The win total is one route to becoming eligible, winning a conference is the other.

 

Under current regulations, in order for this to occur, a team must have at least 6 wins, which may include one win against a Division I FCS scholarship-awarding[1] opponent, or win their conference, and the team must not be on probation.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowl_eligible

[hawkeyecub]

Just watched that 30 for 30 about Marcus Dupree. That is just unbelievably tragic. Amazing documentary.

 

That was really good. Surprised I had never even heard of him. His high school films were beyond ridiculous. I heard Gerry DiNardo saying the other day that if recruiting was just between coaches and the athletes, the vast majority of corruption would be eliminated. This was another prime example.

[fiver]

Rogers did an interview on ESPNDallas today and claims he had contact directly with Cecil Newton on Cam's behalf.

 

Also, there are rumors that Cecil Newton was contacting many people about Cam's services. Supposedly there are text messages and recordings. I don't know what is contained in those, but it isn't looking good for Newton.

 

From what I have heard, even if Auburn didn't pay for Newton, if he shopped himself to other schools, he could be ruled ineligible and therefore has been ineligible for the past nine games. I guess now the only question is whether the NCAA rules soon enough to impact this season or not.

 

 

 

Per my understanding, the only recording may be of Kenny Rogers calling another Mississippi State alumni saying he is with Cecil Newton, and Cecil is wanting to know if the 'there is going to be a deal.' You can't really prove you're with someone and are calling on behalf of someone with a voicemail.

 

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/11/kenny_rogers_says_cam_newtons.html

 

Auburn hasn't been directly implicated in any of this. I guess the worst case scenario related to what is on the table so far is that real evidence of Cecil shaking down MSU does surface, Cam is ruled ineligible, Auburn has to vacate wins associated with the 2010 season, Barrett Trotter becomes AU's qb, and things return to 'normal' next season. I'm not even sure we'll have to cross that bridge. Cam is playing football tomorrow against Georgia.

 

 

Rogers said Cecil Newton asked him as they were leaving Starkville following a football game, "'What are you thinking? What are you thinking is going to happen? Is it going to go through?' I said, well, I can't answer that, 'I'll just call Bill Bell.' So I called Bill, and Bill didn't answer, and I left Bill a message saying, 'I'm with Mr. Newton and he just wants to know if the deal is going to go through.'"

 

 

Ian Fitzsimmons, who conducted the radio interview, asked Rogers if the "deal" meant Mississippi State was going to pay for Newton.

 

 

"Yes," Rogers said.

 

edit - i guess the FBI is interviewing Bond and Rogers next Tuesday, so I would expect that we'll know more about Cam's future eligibility soon after that.

Edited November 12, 2010 by fiver

[OleMissCub]

Just watched that 30 for 30 about Marcus Dupree. That is just unbelievably tragic. Amazing documentary.

 

That was really good. Surprised I had never even heard of him. His high school films were beyond ridiculous. I heard Gerry DiNardo saying the other day that if recruiting was just between coaches and the athletes, the vast majority of corruption would be eliminated. This was another prime example.

 

That "man of god" Rev. Fairley is such an ultimate piece of isht. What a snake in the grass. When Marcus called back home feeling sad that Coach Switzer was getting on his ass, a REAL father figure in his life would have told him to man up and take his lumps like everyone else.

[SouthSideRyan]

Rogers did an interview on ESPNDallas today and claims he had contact directly with Cecil Newton on Cam's behalf.

 

Also, there are rumors that Cecil Newton was contacting many people about Cam's services. Supposedly there are text messages and recordings. I don't know what is contained in those, but it isn't looking good for Newton.

 

From what I have heard, even if Auburn didn't pay for Newton, if he shopped himself to other schools, he could be ruled ineligible and therefore has been ineligible for the past nine games. I guess now the only question is whether the NCAA rules soon enough to impact this season or not.

 

A glimpse into the future for Anthony Davis at Kentucky.

[SouthSideRyan]

After being in on Sheldon Richardson for four years, he decommited from Mizzou today and is going to USC. We can't match that Kiffin Cash.

 

Well, now we can make fun of him for being an illiterate ignoramus, at least.

 

I thought you said he wasn't going to Mizzou.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Rogers did an interview on ESPNDallas today and claims he had contact directly with Cecil Newton on Cam's behalf.

 

Also, there are rumors that Cecil Newton was contacting many people about Cam's services. Supposedly there are text messages and recordings. I don't know what is contained in those, but it isn't looking good for Newton.

 

From what I have heard, even if Auburn didn't pay for Newton, if he shopped himself to other schools, he could be ruled ineligible and therefore has been ineligible for the past nine games. I guess now the only question is whether the NCAA rules soon enough to impact this season or not.

 

 

 

Per my understanding, the only recording may be of Kenny Rogers calling another Mississippi State alumni saying he is with Cecil Newton, and Cecil is wanting to know if the 'there is going to be a deal.' You can't really prove you're with someone and are calling on behalf of someone with a voicemail.

 

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/11/kenny_rogers_says_cam_newtons.html

 

Auburn hasn't been directly implicated in any of this. I guess the worst case scenario related to what is on the table so far is that real evidence of Cecil shaking down MSU does surface, Cam is ruled ineligible, Auburn has to vacate wins associated with the 2010 season, Barrett Trotter becomes AU's qb, and things return to 'normal' next season. I'm not even sure we'll have to cross that bridge. Cam is playing football tomorrow against Georgia.

 

 

Rogers said Cecil Newton asked him as they were leaving Starkville following a football game, "'What are you thinking? What are you thinking is going to happen? Is it going to go through?' I said, well, I can't answer that, 'I'll just call Bill Bell.' So I called Bill, and Bill didn't answer, and I left Bill a message saying, 'I'm with Mr. Newton and he just wants to know if the deal is going to go through.'"

 

 

Ian Fitzsimmons, who conducted the radio interview, asked Rogers if the "deal" meant Mississippi State was going to pay for Newton.

 

 

"Yes," Rogers said.

 

edit - i guess the FBI is interviewing Bond and Rogers next Tuesday, so I would expect that we'll know more about Cam's future eligibility soon after that.

 

I doubt they find a smoking gun that says Auburn paid Newton. In fact, there's no reason other than speculation, that Auburn did. But, if what I'm reading is correct, the soliciting of funds from Mississippi State could be enough to make Cam inelligible. With all this shitstorm, I'm pretty sure Cam leaves Auburn after this season for the NFL.

 

The only question is how long will it take the NCAA to rule on Newton. As slowly as they move, it's likely this season will play out before any ruling is made. AU is probably hoping to finish the year with Cam and if any wins are vacated, they will still have had the benefit of letting the season play out.