2010 World Cup Thread

[Guest]

37 Slovenia v England C 10:00 AM

38 United States v Algeria C 10:00 AM

 

They play at the same time, that should be interesting. Looks like a lot of the last games are simultaneous.

 

All of the final group games are simultaneous to prevent one team from knowing exactly what it has to do to advance.

 

In the 1978 World Cup, Argentina played their final match in the second group phase after Brazil and knew they had to win at least 4-0 to advance since Brazil had already played. Argentina beat Peru 6-0. There were other hijinks in that match (such as the Peru goalkeeper having been born in Argentina) as well. I think they changed it for the next Cup.

[bukie]

In a historic first, FIFA referee Koman Coulibaly accepted today's Man of the Match award for his defensive efforts for the Slovenia squad.

[chuckywang]

37 Slovenia v England C 10:00 AM

38 United States v Algeria C 10:00 AM

 

They play at the same time, that should be interesting. Looks like a lot of the last games are simultaneous.

 

After 1982 all 3rd group games are simultaneous, to prevent shenanigans like with Germany/Austria where they played like that episode of the Simpsons with Ariaga II for 90 minutes to screw some other country.

 

The Wiki summary

 

Group 2 saw one of the great World Cup upsets on the first day with the 2–1 victory of Algeria over reigning European Champions West Germany. In the final match in the group between West Germany and Austria, Algeria had already played their final group game the day before, and West Germany and Austria knew that a West German win by 1 or 2 goals would qualify them both, while a larger German victory would qualify Algeria over Austria, and a draw or an Austrian win would eliminate the Germans. After 10 minutes of all-out attack, West Germany scored through a goal by Horst Hrubesch. After the goal was scored, the two teams kicked the ball around aimlessly for the rest of the match. Chants of "Fuera, fuera" ("Out, out") were screamed by the Spanish crowd, while angry Algerian supporters waved banknotes at the players. This performance was widely deplored, even by the German and Austrian fans. One German fan was so upset by his team's display that he burned his German flag in disgust.[1] Algeria protested to FIFA, who ruled that the result be allowed to stand; FIFA introduced a revised qualification system at subsequent World Cups in which the final two games in each group were played simultaneously.

 

That is disgusting.

[Jon]

Mali's Wikipedia page[/url]"]Mali football rose to international prominence on June 18, 2010 when referee Koman Coulibaly stole a victory from the United States in the 2010 FIFA World Cup in its match against Slovenia.

[Magnetic Curses]

if he made that call against any other country, he would be dead in 6 months.

[Billy_Buck]

This is a foul on Edu.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zHRNYi41PA

 

 

I have no words.

Thanks, that helps. "Performing an attacking maneuver on the ball within the penalty box" was apparently the call, lol.

 

Seriously though: The ref was starting to motion just as Edu makes contact with the ball. I don't know what he saw, but looks to me like the Slovenian who bowled someone over right in the middle of the box bought a call with his "look at all this ridiculous CONTACT!" pantomime. But Edu wasn't caught up in that traffic.

[CubsBears29]

Sorry, can't get off this...

 

But O.M.G. Just saw a close-up of the holding on Altidore on the disallowed GW goal and another US player is getting raped right behind him! And they showed a behind-the-net view of Edu coming up to score the goal, and all he did was take a curving route around a Slov, without touching him, to put the ball in the net, and there was a foul there somewhere?!?!

 

 

If the US ends up winning their last group game and doesn't advance, that [expletive] ref will be Public Enemy #1 for awhile.

[Guest]

On a related note, I opened up a Great White in the 78th minute. While the power of the beer brought us one goal that counted, it was unable to overpower BS refereeing.

[imb]

Lost in all this...

 

We are still going to advance, and bradley's goal was one of the most thrilling sporting events i've witnessed recently.

[Banedon]

We really oughta be England fans at this point, right?

[bukie]

We really oughta be England fans at this point, right?

Doesn't matter.

[SouthSideRyan]

if he made that call against any other country, he would be dead in 6 months.

 

Wekse can do it in 3.

[Guest]

We really oughta be England fans at this point, right?

 

Not today.

 

Well, maybe in a "England can demoralize Algeria so it makes it easier for us to roll them and proves we should roll them" sort of way, but if Algeria can get anything out of this game it would be nice. A tie this afternoon means the US is through with a win of any margin against Algeria.

[Magnetic Curses]

if he made that call against any other country, he would be dead in 6 months.

 

Wekse can do it in 3.

 

true

[UMFan83]

The recap of the match says the foul was apparently before Edu got to the ball.

 

OK from the time Donovan kicked the ball to the time that the ball was stuck by Edu was probably what 2 seconds, maybe 3 at most? So in that time Edu had time to foul someone, then get up to full speed to kick the ball in?

 

Unless it happened before the ball was kicked.

[Guest]

The recap of the match says the foul was apparently before Edu got to the ball.

 

OK from the time Donovan kicked the ball to the time that the ball was stuck by Edu was probably what 2 seconds, maybe 3 at most? So in that time Edu had time to foul someone, then get up to full speed to kick the ball in?

 

Unless it happened before the ball was kicked.

 

The ref was staring down Edu the whole time, and decided call some grab or nudge that isn't a foul and isn't in the Top 5 of foulable offenses on that play. It happened between Donovan striking the ball and Edu getting free.

[CubsBears29]

The recap of the match says the foul was apparently before Edu got to the ball.

 

OK from the time Donovan kicked the ball to the time that the ball was stuck by Edu was probably what 2 seconds, maybe 3 at most? So in that time Edu had time to foul someone, then get up to full speed to kick the ball in?

 

Unless it happened before the ball was kicked.

 

Not saying that's not possibly the case, but if so, that is about the worst "delayed whistle" I've ever seen. But then again, this ref was about the worst I've ever seen too, so that would explain it.

[jersey cubs fan]

The recap of the match says the foul was apparently before Edu got to the ball.

 

OK from the time Donovan kicked the ball to the time that the ball was stuck by Edu was probably what 2 seconds, maybe 3 at most? So in that time Edu had time to foul someone, then get up to full speed to kick the ball in?

 

Unless it happened before the ball was kicked.

 

Not saying that's not possibly the case, but if so, that is about the worst "delayed whistle" I've ever seen. But then again, this ref was about the worst I've ever seen too, so that would explain it.

 

The whistle blew as the ball was kicked into the net.

[CubsBears29]

The recap of the match says the foul was apparently before Edu got to the ball.

 

OK from the time Donovan kicked the ball to the time that the ball was stuck by Edu was probably what 2 seconds, maybe 3 at most? So in that time Edu had time to foul someone, then get up to full speed to kick the ball in?

 

Unless it happened before the ball was kicked.

 

The ref was staring down Edu the whole time, and decided call some grab or nudge that isn't a foul and isn't in the Top 5 of foulable offenses on that play. It happened between Donovan striking the ball and Edu getting free.

 

If Edu did anything that would be a foul, it happened just as/before Donovan hit the free kick then because I saw that BTN replay and like I described above, Edu takes a curving route around a Slov with no contact before putting the ball in the back of the net.

[UMFan83]

We really oughta be England fans at this point, right?

 

Not today.

 

Well, maybe in a "England can demoralize Algeria so it makes it easier for us to roll them and proves we should roll them" sort of way, but if Algeria can get anything out of this game it would be nice. A tie this afternoon means the US is through with a win of any margin against Algeria.

 

If Algeria ties, they still have something to play for when they play the USA. I don't know what's worse...an Algeria with something to play for or one with nothing.

[CubsBears29]

The recap of the match says the foul was apparently before Edu got to the ball.

 

OK from the time Donovan kicked the ball to the time that the ball was stuck by Edu was probably what 2 seconds, maybe 3 at most? So in that time Edu had time to foul someone, then get up to full speed to kick the ball in?

 

Unless it happened before the ball was kicked.

 

Not saying that's not possibly the case, but if so, that is about the worst "delayed whistle" I've ever seen. But then again, this ref was about the worst I've ever seen too, so that would explain it.

 

The whistle blew as the ball was kicked into the net.

 

Exactly. If the foul occurred before the free kick, why wait until the ball is being scored before blowing the play dead?

Edited June 18, 2010 by CubsBears29

[jersey cubs fan]

If Edu did anything that would be a foul, it happened just as/before Donovan hit the free kick then because I saw that BTN replay and like I described above, Edu takes a curving route around a Slov with no contact before putting the ball in the back of the net.

 

ESPN just showed it again, and it looked to me like he put his hands on the other player, not anymore than all the other players were doing, but there was contact.

[jersey cubs fan]

Exactly. If the foul occurred before the kick, why wait until the ball is being scored before blowing the play dead?

 

It blew after Donovan kicked it and as the other guy kicked it, and there was contact then, so I would assume that was the call. I don't think it was a pre-Donovan kick issue.

[Guest]

We really oughta be England fans at this point, right?

 

Not today.

 

Well, maybe in a "England can demoralize Algeria so it makes it easier for us to roll them and proves we should roll them" sort of way, but if Algeria can get anything out of this game it would be nice. A tie this afternoon means the US is through with a win of any margin against Algeria.

 

If Algeria ties, they still have something to play for when they play the USA. I don't know what's worse...an Algeria with something to play for or one with nothing.

 

It's the World Cup and they have no expectations, they're going to be going all out regardless. Not only does a tie lower the threshold needed for the US to advance, it increases the number of avenues in which they can advance. They wouldn't necessarily need to beat Algeria, for example.

[CubsBears29]

If Edu did anything that would be a foul, it happened just as/before Donovan hit the free kick then because I saw that BTN replay and like I described above, Edu takes a curving route around a Slov with no contact before putting the ball in the back of the net.

 

ESPN just showed it again, and it looked to me like he put his hands on the other player, not anymore than all the other players were doing, but there was contact.

 

Ok, even if he did put his hands on the Slov, then it was with no force cause it didn't change the body movement or motion of the opposing player. And if that's called, how do 3 US players get blatantly held/accosted - all within very close proximity to each other - but not seen or called?