Bulls Offseason Thread

[Keener98]

I can't see why Cleveland would accept any S&T deal for Lebron. Unless it's just an overwhelming offer (re: not Luol Deng) you make James turn his back on the city and sign somewhere else outright.

 

So you in turn get nothing, just so you can make Lebron look like the bad guy? Not sure how that is best for the team or the city of Cleveland

[RedFlash]

I can't see why Cleveland would accept any S&T deal for Lebron. Unless it's just an overwhelming offer (re: not Luol Deng) you make James turn his back on the city and sign somewhere else outright.

 

So you in turn get nothing, just so you can make Lebron look like the bad guy? Not sure how that is best for the team or the city of Cleveland

 

Cleveland's GM is screwed. Does he want to be known for the guy who traded LBJ OR the man who let LBJ leave for nothing? Damn if he do, damned if he don't.

[davell]

If Lebron leaves Cleveland, I really don't see the Cavs doing a sign and trade with him, to help him get more money basically. Unless they were getting back something VERY useful to them. I honestly don't see Deng as a valuable commodity right now. Sure, he's probably dealable, but not for bigtime assets either. Meaning I don't think Toronto would take him back in a Bosh deal either.

 

I really don't see how the Bulls can wind up with TWO of the big 4 this offseason, but if Lebron was to want to play here and it took some wheeling and dealing to get him someone else here as well, maybe Boozer is our best bet to do a sign and trade for......

[Guest]

Let LeBron leave/be the one to trade LeBron aside, I have to imagine that the Cavs would value the cap space more than Deng.

[SpongeWorthy]

I can't see why Cleveland would accept any S&T deal for Lebron. Unless it's just an overwhelming offer (re: not Luol Deng) you make James turn his back on the city and sign somewhere else outright.

 

Unless they know he's not coming back no matter what.

 

Even so...unless you're getting back something great you just let him walk I think. The PR is more important than getting Luol Deng back. I'd rather just have the cap space anyway since they're back at square one.

[Magnetic Curses]

Let LeBron leave/be the one to trade LeBron aside, I have to imagine that the Cavs would value the cap space more than Deng.

 

shut up, you know you dream of deng

[Magnetic Curses]

the bulls don't need another FA anyway, lebron and a shooter will do

 

ps- i also don't understand why the cavs would want to help a team like chicago that 1. plays in the same division and 2. has tortured them so mercilessly in the playoffs

[UMFan83]

Let LeBron leave/be the one to trade LeBron aside, I have to imagine that the Cavs would value the cap space more than Deng.

 

I'm just not sure what cap space does to help a LeBron-less Cleveland. Yeah they might get someone in a trade but they don't necessarily need cap space to make the trade.

 

Either way, if LeBron left Cleveland, the pressure is on to do something with that team immediately. My theory is, even without LeBron the Cavs can still be relevant for 1-2 years just because of how in the spotlight they were during the LeBron years. If they can't make something of that team in that time frame the Cavs will quickly become Cleveland, wasteland of the NBA again (providing they don't strike it rich in the lottery). Grim assessment but that's what the Cavs would be looking at without LeBron IMO.

 

That said despite everything that's been said and everything that's happened, I still think theres a good chance he stays after some reflection. His postgame quotes talked about discussing his situation with his teammates to help him make the right choice.

[Guest]

Let LeBron leave/be the one to trade LeBron aside, I have to imagine that the Cavs would value the cap space more than Deng.

 

I'm just not sure what cap space does to help a LeBron-less Cleveland. Yeah they might get someone in a trade but they don't necessarily need cap space to make the trade.

 

It helps them more than bringing in Luol Deng. Maybe if a lottery pick came with it or something, or even just Chicago's 1st that they could package it to get into the lottery, I don't know.

[squally1313]

Let LeBron leave/be the one to trade LeBron aside, I have to imagine that the Cavs would value the cap space more than Deng.

 

I'm just not sure what cap space does to help a LeBron-less Cleveland. Yeah they might get someone in a trade but they don't necessarily need cap space to make the trade.

 

Either way, if LeBron left Cleveland, the pressure is on to do something with that team immediately. My theory is, even without LeBron the Cavs can still be relevant for 1-2 years just because of how in the spotlight they were during the LeBron years. If they can't make something of that team in that time frame the Cavs will quickly become Cleveland, wasteland of the NBA again (providing they don't strike it rich in the lottery). Grim assessment but that's what the Cavs would be looking at without LeBron IMO.

 

That said despite everything that's been said and everything that's happened, I still think theres a good chance he stays after some reflection. His postgame quotes talked about discussing his situation with his teammates to help him make the right choice.

 

I could be wrong about this, but I thought when he was talking about his "team," he was referring to his group of advisers, his agents/friends/family/etc. Maybe that's just the Bulls fan in me talking, but that's the impression I got....

[SpongeWorthy]

Let LeBron leave/be the one to trade LeBron aside, I have to imagine that the Cavs would value the cap space more than Deng.

 

I'm just not sure what cap space does to help a LeBron-less Cleveland. Yeah they might get someone in a trade but they don't necessarily need cap space to make the trade.

 

Either way, if LeBron left Cleveland, the pressure is on to do something with that team immediately. My theory is, even without LeBron the Cavs can still be relevant for 1-2 years just because of how in the spotlight they were during the LeBron years. If they can't make something of that team in that time frame the Cavs will quickly become Cleveland, wasteland of the NBA again (providing they don't strike it rich in the lottery). Grim assessment but that's what the Cavs would be looking at without LeBron IMO.

 

That said despite everything that's been said and everything that's happened, I still think theres a good chance he stays after some reflection. His postgame quotes talked about discussing his situation with his teammates to help him make the right choice.

 

 

I could be wrong about this, but I thought when he was talking about his "team," he was referring to his group of advisers, his agents/friends/family/etc. Maybe that's just the Bulls fan in me talking, but that's the impression I got....

 

That's definitely what he meant.

[Magnetic Curses]

Let LeBron leave/be the one to trade LeBron aside, I have to imagine that the Cavs would value the cap space more than Deng.

 

I'm just not sure what cap space does to help a LeBron-less Cleveland. Yeah they might get someone in a trade but they don't necessarily need cap space to make the trade.

 

It helps them more than bringing in Luol Deng. Maybe if a lottery pick came with it or something, or even just Chicago's 1st that they could package it to get into the lottery, I don't know.

 

deng has a long, bad deal, too.

[Guest]

Why would LeBron want to come to Chicago anyway? I mean, he's already getting questioned like mad about not winning and going to Chicago is only going to put more pressure on him to be the next Jordan and win a bunch of titles.

 

Chicago's going to be right up there with New York in terms of pressure because of what Jordan did.

[Magnetic Curses]

Why would LeBron want to come to Chicago anyway? I mean, he's already getting questioned like mad about not winning and going to Chicago is only going to put more pressure on him to be the next Jordan and win a bunch of titles.

 

Chicago's going to be right up there with New York in terms of pressure because of what Jordan did.

 

i don't think there's nearly as much pressure in chicago, just judging from the past 12 or so years. the reason there's so much pressure on him in cleveland is that that city has never won anything and he's the greatest thing that they've ever had. chicago has been laid by the championship sirens recently, their pipes are clean

 

i think he leaves, he's gone about as far as he's going to go with this cavs team, and chicago is as good a place as any.

Edited May 14, 2010 by Stannis

[RedFlash]

Chicago's going to be right up there with New York in terms of pressure because of what Jordan did.

 

That's not even half true. NY is by far the most pressured pack city in the U.S. And maybe outside of say Toronto or Montreal (in hockey) might be the most pressured city in North America. Now Chicago media can be rough, but they in no way is up there with NY in terms of pressure.

[Andy]

All one needs to do is look at the way the Cubs' media handles Piniella to know that Chicago's media is not going to create a pressurized environment.

[Guest]

All one needs to do is look at the way the Cubs' media handles Piniella to know that Chicago's media is not going to create a pressurized environment.

 

The Cubs have never won anything, though. The Bulls won 6 titles in the 90's and have been past the first round of the playoffs only once since. There's going to be a ton of pressure on LeBron to get them back to where they were in the Jordan years and if he pulls this in Chicago, it's going to be the same "this wouldn't have happened to a Jordan team" except to a much bigger degree because it's Chicago.

 

And it's not necessarily just from the media but the fans also.

[snoodmonger]

I just don't think "pressure to win" is a big factor for these superstar athletes. They probably pressure themselves to win more than any outside influence. And with guys like LeBron, Kobe, etc, there's going to be external pressure to win no matter where he goes. He brings the expectations with him. There's no hiding from it.

[David]

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/15881/lebron-to-the-bulls-3-gms-think-so

 

Whoa.... :shock:

oh good lord... trying not to get excited, trying not to get excited...

 

 

If GarPax lands LBJ and Bosh (Wade would be great, but redundant) this summer, I think I might go on a 5 day drinking binge.

 

 

oh imb would love this if he's been paying attention

[BigSlick]

Why would LeBron want to come to Chicago anyway? I mean, he's already getting questioned like mad about not winning and going to Chicago is only going to put more pressure on him to be the next Jordan and win a bunch of titles.

 

Chicago's going to be right up there with New York in terms of pressure because of what Jordan did.

All this 'pressure' stuff literally means nothing to a player that wants to win a championship. I hate these kind of hypothesizations, of course the worst place to go for the pressure of winning is New York. Look how much they flip out on the Yankees when they don't have a good week

 

As it is, there is no other team with the cap space that is more talented and as young as the Bulls. We would be scary good with LeBron. Unfortunately I can't let myself entertain the idea for too long, I'm setting myself up for some harsh disappointment. Oh well.

[17 Seconds]

i bet noah wishes he didn't do this now

 

[Banedon]

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5187750&categoryid=2459788

[hawkeyecub]

Go to the Clips LeBron.

 

The sign and trade idea to Chicago is nuts. They aren't going to give him more money and aid him in leaving while also keeping him in the division. Especially for Luol [expletive] Deng. Do you guys think this is 2007 again? EDIT: Broussard just said that a sign and trade is the last, last, last resort. They'd rather have the cap space.

[Soul]

i bet noah wishes he didn't do this now

 

 

I doubt it has anything to do with anything now.

[David]

Go to the Clips LeBron.

 

The sign and trade idea to Chicago is nuts. They aren't going to give him more money and aid him in leaving while also keeping him in the division. Especially for Luol [expletive] Deng. Do you guys think this is 2007 again? EDIT: Broussard just said that a sign and trade is the last, last, last resort. They'd rather have the cap space.

 

 

I'm not sure if you mean to tie all those thoughts together, but just to be clear, you're aware that the Bulls don't need to do a S&T to sign LBJ, right? They can sign him outright.