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Mark_R South Bend Cubs

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Dear LeBron,

 

We are wired correctly. We give a crap. We want to win. We are really really good. We are warriors. We could absolutely be the second-best and third-best guys on a team that wins multiple titles. Sadly, this can't happen without one of you. Please think about Chicago. It's cold during the winter, but during the spring and summer, there's no better place. It's the No. 3 TV market. It's the city that once had the greatest player ever. We're firing our coach and GM this summer; if you want, you can pick the next two guys. We want to win titles. Not title ... titles. By the way, Joakim wants you to know that he isn't nearly as annoying if he's your teammate.

 

Much respect,

Joakim and Derrick

rawaction Chicago Cubs

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My head is going to explode from arguing with a moron who thinks that the Devin Harris/Brook Lopez combo is superior to a Rose/Noah combo.

 

:banghead:

 

Well.....

I don't think that's as outlandish a statement as you might think.

 

If you go by PER for 2010, Harris was at 16.2, Lopez at 20.1.

Meanwhile PER for 2010, Noah was at 17.9, Rose at 18.6.

Harris has a 17.6 career PER (Rose 17.3), and was great in 2009.

 

Brook Lopez is a wonderful player. He'll be a 20/10 player next year. He is clearly better than Noah right now, and more likely than Joakim to get better. He is also just 21 to Noah's 24.

 

That leaves Rose vs. Harris. I think Rose is already a better player than Harris, but I think the biggest difference is that Rose is 21 and Harris is 26. Harris peaked last year, while Rose is likely just scratching the surface.

 

If it wasn't for the 2 year age advantage (huge in basketball years) that the Bulls duo has, he would have a strong argument, especially if you prefer a dominant C over a dominant PG.

SpongeWorthy Iowa Cubs

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It's kind of silly to put that much emphasis on PER when your team is historically bad. Lopez is nice but it's not close.

 

Putting PER in a vacuum makes Shareef Abdur Rahim look like Tim Duncan some years.

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It's kind of silly to put that much emphasis on PER when your team is historically bad. Lopez is nice but it's not close.

 

Putting PER in a vacuum makes Shareef Abdur Rahim look like Tim Duncan some years.

 

What does being on a bad team have to do with PER? Doesn't PER take that type of stuff into consideration. Lopez and Rose could both be top 25 players next year and going forward. Noah is good, but how much better can he get?

wolf stansson Knoxville Smokies

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It's kind of silly to put that much emphasis on PER when your team is historically bad. Lopez is nice but it's not close.

 

Putting PER in a vacuum makes Shareef Abdur Rahim look like Tim Duncan some years.

 

What does being on a bad team have to do with PER? Doesn't PER take that type of stuff into consideration. Lopez and Rose could both be top 25 players next year and going forward. Noah is good, but how much better can he get?

PER certainly has it's flaws. Especially in it's complete crap evaluation of defense as well as it's overvaluing of players who don't play many minutes. It also doesn't take into consideration a player's role on his team, whether the system he plays in suits his strengths. Have you noticed how much that hurts a player like Noah who has offensive skills being stunted by Del Negro's offense as well as his primary value being in rebounding (which isn't in PER) and intangibles like effort, strength and conditioning (also not in PER)?

 

 

Basketball isn't a sport that lends itself to crude statistical analysis. It's useful to a point, but it won't take you all the way. Unlike baseball, there are important intangibles to building a good team. You using PER and trying to throw it against the wall and believing it will stick isn't a great idea.

 

Also, this Rose and LeBron not being a cohesive fit talk is absolute nonsense. Just because they fulfill each other's every weakness and compliment each other's every strength doesn't mean they wouldn't be one of the best pairings in the game. Sure, if Derrick could knock down open 3's it would be better, but that doesn't mean you can't win a title with them as your best two players. You absolutely can. Besides, it's not that hard to find a SG who can knock down an open three. What it is hard to find are two studs who are physical mismatches at their positions who can find their own shot almost at will. It's hard to find a big man who wants to do all the dirty work and doesn't want the ball on offense. It's hard to find a stud, top 10 player in the league who knows how and when to take over but at the same time relishes deferring to the better player at any time. The Bulls have those pieces and that is so far and away a better basketball situation for LeBron than what he has in Cleveland or would have on any other team with the cap space that nitpicking is silly straw grasping. It's arguing for the sake of arguing.

RedFlash ACL Cubs

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Did anybody hear what Squeaky Avery said about Lebron's possible next team? He said on Lebron possibly to Chicago:

It doesn't make a lot of sense in terms in the way he would fit in with Derrick Rose?

 

Is he serious? Lebron won't go to Chicago because he isn't sure how he would fit in playing with Rose, yet he would essentially be a perfect compliment to Devin Harris? What a bunch of crock.

17 Seconds Chicago Cubs

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ok, now i'm actually getting invested in this. i can't believe this has a realistic chance of having him

 

we could have lebron, rose, and noah on the same team next year.

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From another GM: "I think the Bulls are really going to go for it. Look for them to offer the Cavs Luol Deng in a sign-and-trade for LeBron. That will allow them to retain most of their cap space. Then they'll go after Dwyane Wade or Chris Bosh as well."
Magnetic Curses College Ball

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From another GM: "I think the Bulls are really going to go for it. Look for them to offer the Cavs Luol Deng in a sign-and-trade for LeBron. That will allow them to retain most of their cap space. Then they'll go after Dwyane Wade or Chris Bosh as well."

 

imb is so [expletive] dead next time i see him

Keener98 Knoxville Smokies

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From another GM: "I think the Bulls are really going to go for it. Look for them to offer the Cavs Luol Deng in a sign-and-trade for LeBron. That will allow them to retain most of their cap space. Then they'll go after Dwyane Wade or Chris Bosh as well."

 

Haha omg that would be ridiculous wow

Andy GOAT

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From another GM: "I think the Bulls are really going to go for it. Look for them to offer the Cavs Luol Deng in a sign-and-trade for LeBron. That will allow them to retain most of their cap space. Then they'll go after Dwyane Wade or Chris Bosh as well."

I don't see the Cavs going for Deng for LeBron unless a no. 1 pick or two changes hands too. But holy hell would that be amazing.

Keener98 Knoxville Smokies

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From another GM: "I think the Bulls are really going to go for it. Look for them to offer the Cavs Luol Deng in a sign-and-trade for LeBron. That will allow them to retain most of their cap space. Then they'll go after Dwyane Wade or Chris Bosh as well."

I don't see the Cavs going for Deng for LeBron unless a no. 1 pick or two changes hands too. But holy hell would that be amazing.

 

Fine Deng plus our 1st rounder this year, for Lebron and we sign Bosh.

da bears ACL Cubs

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From another GM: "I think the Bulls are really going to go for it. Look for them to offer the Cavs Luol Deng in a sign-and-trade for LeBron. That will allow them to retain most of their cap space. Then they'll go after Dwyane Wade or Chris Bosh as well."

I don't see the Cavs going for Deng for LeBron unless a no. 1 pick or two changes hands too. But holy hell would that be amazing.

 

Fine Deng plus our 1st rounder this year, for Lebron and we sign Bosh.

hell give them the bulls first round pick for the next 5 years if they want it.

SpongeWorthy Iowa Cubs

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I can't see why Cleveland would accept any S&T deal for Lebron. Unless it's just an overwhelming offer (re: not Luol Deng) you make James turn his back on the city and sign somewhere else outright.
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I can't see why Cleveland would accept any S&T deal for Lebron. Unless it's just an overwhelming offer (re: not Luol Deng) you make James turn his back on the city and sign somewhere else outright.

 

Unless they know he's not coming back no matter what.

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