JJ Hardy Traded to Twins for Carlos Gomez

[Post Count Padder]

Bad trade for the Brewers. Gomez is fast and great defensively, but us worse that Corey Patterson at the plate and worse than Juan Pierre on the basepaths. Hardy is a nice pickup for the Twins, who could always use the offense.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

What an outstanding move for the Twins. Good for them.

[erik316wttn]

Wouldn't have minded taking a shot at JJ if he had a cheaper contract. Horrible trade for the Brewers, though. All the Brewers fans I work with are pissed off that they didn't get any pitching in return.

[Cubswin11]

Brewers could have had Doumit from the Pirates for Hardy, but instead went with Gomez. I support this move, why would the Crew want a catcher who could mash, and hit 5 after Prince and provide protection as well as balance out their lineup a bit, when they could just re-sign Kendall for $3-5 mil.

Source: Brewers wanted starter from Pirates — 12:39 p.m.

 

The Brewers did not want Pirates catcher Ryan Doumit for shortstop J.J. Hardy. They also did not want another player the Pirates suggested, right-handed reliever Matt Capps.

[Tryptamine]

Brewers could have had Doumit from the Pirates for Hardy, but instead went with Gomez. I support this move, why would the Crew want a catcher who could mash, and hit 5 after Prince and provide protection as well as balance out their lineup a bit, when they could just re-sign Kendall for $3-5 mil.

Source: Brewers wanted starter from Pirates — 12:39 p.m.

 

The Brewers did not want Pirates catcher Ryan Doumit for shortstop J.J. Hardy. They also did not want another player the Pirates suggested, right-handed reliever Matt Capps.

 

Wow, if there is any truth to this than someone in the front office needs to be canned. The only thing keeping Doumit from being an upper tier offensive catcher is his injury history.

[Cubswin11]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/10357594

 

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[17 Seconds]

I wouldn't have traded him for Doumit either.

[Cubswin11]

I wouldn't have traded him for Doumit either.

Really? He gives them a good offensive presence at C when they could use another offensive weapon. Plus it helps make Prince more available as they got 2 good catching prospects in the minors and could shift Doumit to 1B when one of them are ready and shop Prince for an elite pitcher.

[JonJayCutler]

Awful trade. Brewers keep getting worse. I don't see any way they finish better than 4th in the NL Central next year.

[Clem Fandango]

They didn't need JJ Hardy. While I agree that they traded him for the wrong guy, Escobar is their starting SS next season and thus Hardy was expendable. Gomez sucks something fierce but Hardy barely outperformed him this year. Hardy is about to enter his prime years and he's struggling pretty badly. At least with Gomez there's still some time to develop, it seemed like Hardy just forgot how to hit last year. A change of scenery was probably best for him, but they sure as hell weren't going to get anything great for him after his season this year. He was beyond terrible

[SouthSideRyan]

They didn't need JJ Hardy. While I agree that they traded him for the wrong guy, Escobar is their starting SS next season and thus Hardy was expendable. Gomez sucks something fierce but Hardy barely outperformed him this year. Hardy is about to enter his prime years and he's struggling pretty badly. At least with Gomez there's still some time to develop, it seemed like Hardy just forgot how to hit last year. A change of scenery was probably best for him, but they sure as hell weren't going to get anything great for him after his season this year. He was beyond terrible

 

I'd say they traded the wrong SS. I do not like Escobar.

[Clem Fandango]

They didn't need JJ Hardy. While I agree that they traded him for the wrong guy, Escobar is their starting SS next season and thus Hardy was expendable. Gomez sucks something fierce but Hardy barely outperformed him this year. Hardy is about to enter his prime years and he's struggling pretty badly. At least with Gomez there's still some time to develop, it seemed like Hardy just forgot how to hit last year. A change of scenery was probably best for him, but they sure as hell weren't going to get anything great for him after his season this year. He was beyond terrible

 

I'd say they traded the wrong SS. I do not like Escobar.

 

I can see your reasoning behind not liking Escobar, but when you have the #1 ranked shortstop in the entirety of major league baseball prove that he's ready to contribute at the major league level, you don't say "Well he's good, let's get rid of him and keep the guy who got out OPS'd by Brendan Harris this year instead".

 

Hardy was on his way out, they just traded him for the wrong person. Escobar isn't going to provide the power that Hardy could, at least not for another few years if he develops a little more power, but even then it probably won't match what Hardy was capable of. They should've traded him for someone who could've at least matched his offensive potential, like Delmon Young or someone. At least with Young you take a disappointing project and see if he can still reach the potential he's had for years. With Gomez they're getting a player who will consistently hit at a rate worse than what Hardy did this year which was one of the most god awful performances ever (hyperbole), and that might be a peak for Gomez. It was a terrible trade for the Brewers. They traded the right shortstop, but they just traded him for the totally and completely wrong person.

[javy knows my name]

Doug Melvin is really bad at his job, but I refuse to believe he said no to Ryan Doumit in favor of Toolsy McNobat. I also don't believe the pirates would offer such value for a guy who is expendable to his current organization

[Guest]

What is interesting to me about this trade is this: Milwaukee was REALLY hurt by their team defense for a few years in a row. They'll now have elite defenders up the middle in Escobar and Gomez. This will help their pitchers significantly in the coming season.

 

However, their offense is going to suck outside of Fielder/Braun.

[XZero771679666304]

What is interesting to me about this trade is this: Milwaukee was REALLY hurt by their team defense for a few years in a row. They'll now have elite defenders up the middle in Escobar and Gomez. This will help their pitchers significantly in the coming season.

 

However, their offense is going to suck outside of Fielder/Braun.

 

To be fair, Mike Cameron isn't chopped liver out there, and he's been there the past couple years.

[Clem Fandango]

What is interesting to me about this trade is this: Milwaukee was REALLY hurt by their team defense for a few years in a row. They'll now have elite defenders up the middle in Escobar and Gomez. This will help their pitchers significantly in the coming season.

 

However, their offense is going to suck outside of Fielder/Braun.

 

To be fair, Mike Cameron isn't chopped liver out there, and he's been there the past couple years.

 

JJ Hardy was also pretty solid defensive SS. They've effectively replaced good defensive guys with better defensive guys, but have sacrificed a whole truckload of offensive talent and potential in the process (in relation to who they've replaced them with)

[Rob]

I still think the right answer to their issues was to trade Prince for a decent 2B or 3B and some pitching help, shifting Hardy to whichever of 2B or 3B they didn't get, and Weeks to CF, while bringing Gamel in to man 1B.

[Guest]

What is interesting to me about this trade is this: Milwaukee was REALLY hurt by their team defense for a few years in a row. They'll now have elite defenders up the middle in Escobar and Gomez. This will help their pitchers significantly in the coming season.

 

However, their offense is going to suck outside of Fielder/Braun.

 

To be fair, Mike Cameron isn't chopped liver out there, and he's been there the past couple years.

 

JJ Hardy was also pretty solid defensive SS. They've effectively replaced good defensive guys with better defensive guys, but have sacrificed a whole truckload of offensive talent and potential in the process (in relation to who they've replaced them with)

This is all true - their primary defensive shortcomings have been from other positions. I am wondering if this is a conscious decision to shift towards the perceived upgrade defensively up the middle. If so, I have to think Rickie Weeks could be the next piece to go.

[XZero771679666304]

I still think the right answer to their issues was to trade Prince for a decent 2B or 3B and some pitching help, shifting Hardy to whichever of 2B or 3B they didn't get, and Weeks to CF, while bringing Gamel in to man 1B.

 

I've been saying this for months.

 

I don't have much issue with trading Hardy, but I don't think a CF was what they needed.

 

If Doug Melvin has any brains in his head, he'll trade Prince.

[Guest]

I still think the right answer to their issues was to trade Prince for a decent 2B or 3B and some pitching help, shifting Hardy to whichever of 2B or 3B they didn't get, and Weeks to CF, while bringing Gamel in to man 1B.

That certainly would have been better than what they're going with.

 

However, there's nothing preventing them from still doing most of that.

[Soul]

I still think the right answer to their issues was to trade Prince for a decent 2B or 3B and some pitching help, shifting Hardy to whichever of 2B or 3B they didn't get, and Weeks to CF, while bringing Gamel in to man 1B.

 

I've been saying this for months.

 

I don't have much issue with trading Hardy, but I don't think a CF was what they needed.

 

If Doug Melvin has any brains in his head, he'll trade Prince.

 

Bums in seats. He won't do it. Miller Park will empty out on him.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Bad trade for the Brewers. Gomez is fast and great defensively, but us worse that Corey Patterson at the plate and worse than Juan Pierre on the basepaths. Hardy is a nice pickup for the Twins, who could always use the offense.

 

One of those young types that Hawk Harrelson drools over when the Twins come to town while his beloved White Sox aquire every 35+ year old they can get their hands on.

[Sammy Sofa]

I still think the right answer to their issues was to trade Prince for a decent 2B or 3B and some pitching help, shifting Hardy to whichever of 2B or 3B they didn't get, and Weeks to CF, while bringing Gamel in to man 1B.

 

I've been saying this for months.

 

I don't have much issue with trading Hardy, but I don't think a CF was what they needed.

 

If Doug Melvin has any brains in his head, he'll trade Prince.

 

Bums in seats. He won't do it. Miller Park will empty out on him.

 

He's not re-signing with them anyway so they might as well get something for him before he's gone.

[biittner77]

Where is the market for Fielder though? Seems like there are plenty of teams that could use him but couldn't pay what he'll want. Teams also seem to be getting very stingy with their top prospects for guys like Fielder.

 

He'd be a good fit in Baltimore for example but I doubt they have the pitching to spare to get Fielder. The brewers, oddly enough, might be better off offering him arby and taking the picks.

[jersey cubs fan]

Where is the market for Fielder though? Seems like there are plenty of teams that could use him but couldn't pay what he'll want. Teams also seem to be getting very stingy with their top prospects for guys like Fielder.

 

He'd be a good fit in Baltimore for example but I doubt they have the pitching to spare to get Fielder. The brewers, oddly enough, might be better off offering him arby and taking the picks.

 

 

The Cubs could really use a guy like Fielder. They'll probably extend Lee, but with no significant bats on the horizon in the minors, no impact LH bats, and Lee turning 35 in the final year of his deal, Fielder could actually be a great fit. Although it would never happen.