Re: 2009-10 Chicago Bulls Thread

[Flames24Rulz]

It sounds like Hakim Warrick and Joe Alexander will be coming to us from Milwaukee now. If true, that should further cement the fact that Tyrus will be dealt by tomorrow afternoon. Warrick makes Tyrus completely obsolete.

 

That's a much better haul than Thomas and Elson too, so hopefully people won't cry about this.

What are the contract situations of those players?

 

I don't think Alexander is an expiring....I think he's only been in the NBA for 2 seasons. Aren't rookie contracts 3 years guaranteed?

 

Milwaukee didn't pick up his rookie option. They're both FA's after this year.

[WrigleyField 22]

It sounds like Hakim Warrick and Joe Alexander will be coming to us from Milwaukee now. If true, that should further cement the fact that Tyrus will be dealt by tomorrow afternoon. Warrick makes Tyrus completely obsolete.

 

That's a much better haul than Thomas and Elson too, so hopefully people won't cry about this.

What are the contract situations of those players?

 

I don't think Alexander is an expiring....I think he's only been in the NBA for 2 seasons. Aren't rookie contracts 3 years guaranteed?

First round contracts are 2 years guaranteed with two option years. They didn't pick up Alexander's option:

 

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/bucks.jsp

[SpongeWorthy]

and you're still not acknowledging the fact that these FAs will understand that the reason they slumped down the stretch was to have money to spend on them.

 

your logic is just all kinds of flawed

 

my logic is perfectly sound. If the Bulls played like crap the rest of the way, which is what would happen if they lost Kirk, fish, and tyrus for nothing, Noah and rose would look a lot worse as franchise building blocks. Talent doesn't exist in some vacuum separate from a team's record.

[17 Seconds]

Noah and rose would look a lot worse as franchise building blocks.

 

only if the player we're going after is a complete [expletive] who knows nothing about basketball and only looked at the bulls win-loss record

 

you again ignore the main point though. if a player cares enough about the current state of the team to make a decision based partly on that, then why wouldn't that player do the extra 5 minutes of research and realize why they slumped down the stretch?

 

seriously, it's as if you're under the impression that these players will look at win-loss record and nothing else.

 

if what you say is true and the bulls slump to a much worse record due to losing hinrich/salmons/tt (which in itself is highly debatable), then the free agents will see that and understand why they slumped down the stretch. they are humans capable of thought.

[Guest]

In 24 hours, Joe Alexander goes from being a Fort Worth Mad Ant to a Chicago Bull.

[Sammy Sofa]

and you're still not acknowledging the fact that these FAs will understand that the reason they slumped down the stretch was to have money to spend on them.

 

your logic is just all kinds of flawed

 

my logic is perfectly sound. If the Bulls played like crap the rest of the way, which is what would happen if they lost Kirk, fish, and tyrus for nothing, Noah and rose would look a lot worse as franchise building blocks. Talent doesn't exist in some vacuum separate from a team's record.

 

This is ridiculously shortsighted.

[dougdescenzo]

In 24 hours, Joe Alexander goes from being a Fort Worth Mad Ant to a Chicago Bull.

 

 

Hey now, it's Fort Wayne Mad Ant. Don't deprive the city the glory.

[Old Style]

In 24 hours, Joe Alexander goes from being a Fort Worth Mad Ant to a Chicago Bull.

 

 

Hey now, it's Fort Wayne Mad Ant. Don't deprive the city the glory.

I was going to say that I was shocked I lived so close to an NBDL team and had no idea it existed.

[Andy]

Ty Thomas now headed for Charlotte for Acie Law, Flip Murray (both expiring contracts), and a first-round pick.

[bukie]

Ty Thomas now headed for Charlotte for Acie Law, Flip Murray (both expiring contracts), and a first-round pick.

I think that's pretty much a best-case scenario return on Tyrus at this point.

[UMFan83]

Sweet we've helped out the only team that likely has a shot of passing us for the last playoff spot and also the team with the best shot of fading in case that first team takes over a playoff spot.

[Andy]

Weet we've helped out the only team that likely has a shot of passing us for the last playoff spot and also the team with the best shot of fading in case that first team takes over a playoff spot.

Salmons and Tyrus aren't garbage players, but if they're really good enough to carry Milwaukee and Charlotte over us then we weren't deserving of a playoff bid to begin with.

[UMFan83]

Weet we've helped out the only team that likely has a shot of passing us for the last playoff spot and also the team with the best shot of fading in case that first team takes over a playoff spot.

Salmons and Tyrus aren't garbage players, but if they're really good enough to carry Milwaukee and Charlotte over us then we weren't deserving of a playoff bid to begin with.

 

well it's a combo of losing them and those teams gaining them. The only player I can see working into the rotation is Warrick. I'm personally going to be down on this trade because I have the opinion that Tyrus gives us really good minutes most of the time when he plays, and I know not everyone agrees with that opinion.

[jersey cubs fan]

Weet we've helped out the only team that likely has a shot of passing us for the last playoff spot and also the team with the best shot of fading in case that first team takes over a playoff spot.

Salmons and Tyrus aren't garbage players, but if they're really good enough to carry Milwaukee and Charlotte over us then we weren't deserving of a playoff bid to begin with.

 

Why would a Bulls fan care about the playoffs? This is not some organization that hasn't seen the postseason in 20 years and should be happy with making an appearance. Shouldn't the preference be to do whatever possible to move from a bottom seed type team at best to an actual contender that could win more than 3 playoff games? It's not like making the playoffs in the NBA is an accomplishment. And it's not like "anything can happen".

[gflore34]

Weet we've helped out the only team that likely has a shot of passing us for the last playoff spot and also the team with the best shot of fading in case that first team takes over a playoff spot.

Salmons and Tyrus aren't garbage players, but if they're really good enough to carry Milwaukee and Charlotte over us then we weren't deserving of a playoff bid to begin with.

 

Why would a Bulls fan care about the playoffs? This is not some organization that hasn't seen the postseason in 20 years and should be happy with making an appearance. Shouldn't the preference be to do whatever possible to move from a bottom seed type team at best to an actual contender that could win more than 3 playoff games? It's not like making the playoffs in the NBA is an accomplishment. And it's not like "anything can happen".

 

Playoffs are immaterial this season, it's all about setting up the cap space for the FA class. Which leads me to this question - Should the Bulls manage to sign, Wade, for example would that be enough or will it leave them in NBA hell? NBA hell in sense that they'll be a very good team but, not quite good enough to win a title ala the Pacers of 90's or Bucks of the 80's.

[SouthSideRyan]

At least missing the playoffs will stop you from getting embarrassed by the Celtics. AGAIN

[SpongeWorthy]

and you're still not acknowledging the fact that these FAs will understand that the reason they slumped down the stretch was to have money to spend on them.

 

your logic is just all kinds of flawed

 

my logic is perfectly sound. If the Bulls played like crap the rest of the way, which is what would happen if they lost Kirk, fish, and tyrus for nothing, Noah and rose would look a lot worse as franchise building blocks. Talent doesn't exist in some vacuum separate from a team's record.

 

This is ridiculously shortsighted.

 

If you threw records out the window a core of Brook Lopez and Devin Harris would be a reasonable equivalent to Noah and Rose. It helps the Bulls that the Nets are historically awful. That edge would be diminished if the Bulls went in the tank the rest of the way.

 

You guys say that a free agent would look at Rose and Noah and say, "Hey, those are pretty good pieces" while I fear that a free agent would look at them and at least think, "How good are they really if they needed average players like Hinrich, Tyrus Thomas, and Salmons to be competitive?"

[jersey cubs fan]

Playoffs are immaterial this season, it's all about setting up the cap space for the FA class. Which leads me to this question - Should the Bulls manage to sign, Wade, for example would that be enough or will it leave them in NBA hell? NBA hell in sense that they'll be a very good team but, not quite good enough to win a title ala the Pacers of 90's or Bucks of the 80's.

 

Isn't that more like NBA purgatory rather than hell? NBA hell should be what the Bulls and Knicks have been for the past decade.

[gflore34]

Playoffs are immaterial this season, it's all about setting up the cap space for the FA class. Which leads me to this question - Should the Bulls manage to sign, Wade, for example would that be enough or will it leave them in NBA hell? NBA hell in sense that they'll be a very good team but, not quite good enough to win a title ala the Pacers of 90's or Bucks of the 80's.

 

Isn't that more like NBA purgatory rather than hell? NBA hell should be what the Bulls and Knicks have been for the past decade.

 

Purgatory is a more appropriate term.

[SpongeWorthy]

Those Pacers and Bucks teams best players were what, Reggie Miller and Sidney Moncrief? Very good Hall of Fame players but Wade is a true superstar.

 

Of course the ascendancy of Lebron could just render what everyone else does moot. But yeah, I'd feel comfortable going forward.

[UMFan83]

Weet we've helped out the only team that likely has a shot of passing us for the last playoff spot and also the team with the best shot of fading in case that first team takes over a playoff spot.

Salmons and Tyrus aren't garbage players, but if they're really good enough to carry Milwaukee and Charlotte over us then we weren't deserving of a playoff bid to begin with.

 

Why would a Bulls fan care about the playoffs? This is not some organization that hasn't seen the postseason in 20 years and should be happy with making an appearance. Shouldn't the preference be to do whatever possible to move from a bottom seed type team at best to an actual contender that could win more than 3 playoff games? It's not like making the playoffs in the NBA is an accomplishment. And it's not like "anything can happen".

 

because a) I enjoy watching the playoffs when the bulls are in it, b) I really enjoy watching the bulls play and would lose a lot of that enjoyment if they were not playing for something this year, c) Derrick rose + playoffs = nothing bad, d) trading thomas in that deal doesn't really change our future unless there's another trade brewing or the bobcats miss the playoffs and that 1st (assuming it's this year) becomes something worthwhile whcih still doesn't bother me because of the microscopic odds of getting a top pick.

 

So yeah I really want to make the playoffs this year unless it severely damages our future prospects which it doesn't. I realize the team will probably lose in 5 games or worse but I don't care.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

Sweet we've helped out the only team that likely has a shot of passing us for the last playoff spot and also the team with the best shot of fading in case that first team takes over a playoff spot.

 

I really could not care less about the playoffs. If we're at the point where we're worried about the Bucks and Bobcats being better than the Bulls, they really have no business in the playoffs to begin with. I'd almost rather have a lottery pick.

 

Is the draft pick from Charlotte for this year's draft? What picks are protected?

[Soul]

I don't think adding Wade alone makes us a champion. It would need to be Wade plus something, IMO.

[gflore34]

I don't think adding Wade alone makes us a champion. It would need to be Wade plus something, IMO.

 

 

I think so as well but, could that be another max FA? Wade and Bosh for example?

[ChiCubsFan]

Weet we've helped out the only team that likely has a shot of passing us for the last playoff spot and also the team with the best shot of fading in case that first team takes over a playoff spot.

Salmons and Tyrus aren't garbage players, but if they're really good enough to carry Milwaukee and Charlotte over us then we weren't deserving of a playoff bid to begin with.

 

Why would a Bulls fan care about the playoffs? This is not some organization that hasn't seen the postseason in 20 years and should be happy with making an appearance. Shouldn't the preference be to do whatever possible to move from a bottom seed type team at best to an actual contender that could win more than 3 playoff games? It's not like making the playoffs in the NBA is an accomplishment. And it's not like "anything can happen".

 

because a) I enjoy watching the playoffs when the bulls are in it, b) I really enjoy watching the bulls play and would lose a lot of that enjoyment if they were not playing for something this year, c) Derrick rose + playoffs = nothing bad, d) trading thomas in that deal doesn't really change our future unless there's another trade brewing or the bobcats miss the playoffs and that 1st (assuming it's this year) becomes something worthwhile whcih still doesn't bother me because of the microscopic odds of getting a top pick.

 

So yeah I really want to make the playoffs this year unless it severely damages our future prospects which it doesn't. I realize the team will probably lose in 5 games or worse but I don't care.

 

I agree. I realize they aren't going to even come close to winning the championship, but I don't care. Last year's playoff series with Boston was one of the most fun experiences I've ever had watching pro sports. Yeah, it wasn't really great basketball and yeah, we would have been beaten in 4 or 5 if they had KG, but they didn't. The Bulls also play very well against top talent (beating the spurs twice, cavs, hawks, magic, boston, suns, etc) and they can at least make it somewhat competitive in the playoffs. And if they get a 5 or 6 seed and avoid the Magic and Cavs maybe they can advance to the 2nd round. Now if some team came to me and offered me expiring crap for Hinrich, I'd do it in a heartbeat even though it pretty much kills our chances of doing anything I just said.