08/13 Positive G/T: Phillies (Lee) @ Cubs (Demp) 1:20 CSN

[TruffleShuffle]

You don't keep a guy that you're planning on getting rid of before you're a contender again. You bring in the GM that you want to rebuild as soon as you can.

 

If the means to rebuild aren't there for the time being, why? What's the new guy going to do without any money that Hendry can't?

 

Say we do get a chance to move a contract or two, don't you want the guy making those moves for possible prospects to be the guy that's going to be there building the contending team?

 

like which ones? getting a new GM isn't going to magically make other GMs want to take on albatross contracts. nobody is going to take soriano, zambrano they'd have to eat some money, dempster same, fukudome has actually been good this year and there's not much need to trade him. they could trade lee and lilly and get some return, but that's throwing in the towel on next year. the only way i'd fire hendry is if new ownership decided to go into full-on rebuilding mode, and i doubt that will happen.

[illiniguy]

You don't keep a guy that you're planning on getting rid of before you're a contender again. You bring in the GM that you want to rebuild as soon as you can.

 

If the means to rebuild aren't there for the time being, why? What's the new guy going to do without any money that Hendry can't?

 

Say we do get a chance to move a contract or two, don't you want the guy making those moves for possible prospects to be the guy that's going to be there building the contending team?

 

Hendry's been reasonably good with the trades, so, no, I don't see the need to be paying someone new and paying Hendry to not have a job. This simply is not the ideal time to bring in a new GM until there's more payroll room.

But the thing is, this offseason he will have to change things. Much like last year when he moved Dero to add payroll. So odds are he will move one of our contracts. I imagine He moves Z. But if he does that in order to create some flexability and then uses that to sign another Aaron Miles, it's going to get ugly.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

If Peavy netted that haul, Zambrano can be dealt without eating money.

[moorecg]

Just checking in to confirm...we actually let Ryan Howard steal a base on us....did somebody leave a cheesburger down there?

[SouthSideRyan]

And Derek Lowe is like 38 years old.

[illiniguy]

Just checking in to confirm...we actually let Ryan Howard steal a base on us....did somebody leave a cheesburger down there?

he also tripled yesterday.

[nick23]

And Derek Lowe is like 38 years old.

36 and probably better than Dempster.

[Sammys Boombox]

You don't keep a guy that you're planning on getting rid of before you're a contender again. You bring in the GM that you want to rebuild as soon as you can.

 

If the means to rebuild aren't there for the time being, why? What's the new guy going to do without any money that Hendry can't?

 

Say we do get a chance to move a contract or two, don't you want the guy making those moves for possible prospects to be the guy that's going to be there building the contending team?

 

like which ones? getting a new GM isn't going to magically make other GMs want to take on albatross contracts. nobody is going to take soriano, zambrano they'd have to eat some money, dempster same, fukudome has actually been good this year and there's not much need to trade him. they could trade lee and lilly and get some return, but that's throwing in the towel on next year. the only way i'd fire hendry is if new ownership decided to go into full-on rebuilding mode, and i doubt that will happen.

 

I never said it would be more likely that other GMs would trade with us. I said, if somebody does want to trade with us... Suppose next year Bradley and Lilly are having good years and the Cubs are done in July. Or what if Jake Fox or Micah Hoffpauir go on a tear for a few months and look good to a contending team? Do you want Hendry to make the deal or the guy that management brings in to rebuild the team?

[Sammy Sofa]

But the thing is, this offseason he will have to change things. Much like last year when he moved Dero to add payroll. So odds are he will move one of our contracts. I imagine He moves Z. But if he does that in order to create some flexability and then uses that to sign another Aaron Miles, it's going to get ugly.

 

I understand some people have this irrational fear/hatred of Hendry, but do you honestly belive that given the limited money available and the circumstances that if he did trade Zambrano his only move would be to then overpay for someone as historically bad as Aaron Miles?

 

The odds of some whiz kid being hired who can make magic with the very limited resources the Cubs will likely be facing this offseason and next season aren't pretty slim to nil. I'm not at all opposed to Hendry being replaced, but I'd rather it be when someone new coming in would actually have something to work with.

[SouthSideRyan]

And Derek Lowe is like 38 years old.

36 and probably better than Dempster.

 

HOLY [expletive] I [expletive] HATE GAME THREADS

[dew1679666265]

Is Dempster really better than Lowe?

 

Dempster's been better the past two seasons (2008 and 2009) and he's 4 years younger.

 

This year:

Dempster: 4.04 ERA, 1.386 WHIP, 99:48 K:BB

Lowe: 4.08 ERA, 1.407 WHIP, 79:49 K:BB

 

I'd rather have Lowe who gives up less walks but pitches to groundball contact than a guy who gets more strikeouts but walks more guys and gives up longballs.

 

Even though Dempster has been more productive in Wrigley Field the past two season?

[Sammy Sofa]

But the thing is, this offseason he will have to change things. Much like last year when he moved Dero to add payroll. So odds are he will move one of our contracts. I imagine He moves Z. But if he does that in order to create some flexability and then uses that to sign another Aaron Miles, it's going to get ugly.

 

I understand some people have this irrational fear/hatred of Hendry, but do you honestly belive that given the limited money available and the circumstances that if he did trade Zambrano his only move would be to then overpay for someone as historically bad as Aaron Miles?

 

The odds of some whiz kid being hired who can make magic with the very limited resources the Cubs will likely be facing this offseason and next season aren't pretty slim to nil. I'm not at all opposed to Hendry being replaced, but I'd rather it be when someone new coming in would actually have something to work with.

[UMFan83]

Just think, a exactly a week ago, the Cubs had a chance to win and end the day in first place by a game. Instead, we lost that game and 7 games later we are looking at being 4.5 out. When you go 1-7 and the opponent goes 5-1 that will happen.

[illiniguy]

But the thing is, this offseason he will have to change things. Much like last year when he moved Dero to add payroll. So odds are he will move one of our contracts. I imagine He moves Z. But if he does that in order to create some flexability and then uses that to sign another Aaron Miles, it's going to get ugly.

 

I understand some people have this irrational fear/hatred of Hendry, but do you honestly belive that given the limited money available and the circumstances that if he did trade Zambrano his only move would be to then overpay for someone as historically bad as Aaron Miles?

 

The odds of some whiz kid being hired who can make magic with the very limited resources the Cubs will likely be facing this offseason and next season aren't pretty slim to nil. I'm not at all opposed to Hendry being replaced, but I'd rather it be when someone new coming in would actually have something to work with.

Well he traded Mark DeRosa and added Aaron Miles, so yes I imagine he could do something pretty foolish again if given the chance. He values crap. Neifi Perez, Jose Macias, Aaron Miles, etc. Anyone willing to go with those guys over your own roster filler needs to be gone. Why is that so hard to accept?

[dew1679666265]

And Derek Lowe is like 38 years old.

36 and probably better than Dempster.

 

Dempster has been better than Lowe statistically each of the past two seasons. How is Lowe probably better?

[Outshined_One]

And Derek Lowe is like 38 years old.

36 and probably better than Dempster.

 

HOLY [expletive] I [expletive] HATE GAME THREADS

 

It's like arguing with a brick wall.

[A-Cal]

But the thing is, this offseason he will have to change things. Much like last year when he moved Dero to add payroll. So odds are he will move one of our contracts. I imagine He moves Z. But if he does that in order to create some flexability and then uses that to sign another Aaron Miles, it's going to get ugly.

 

I understand some people have this irrational fear/hatred of Hendry, but do you honestly belive that given the limited money available and the circumstances that if he did trade Zambrano his only move would be to then overpay for someone as historically bad as Aaron Miles?

 

The odds of some whiz kid being hired who can make magic with the very limited resources the Cubs will likely be facing this offseason and next season aren't pretty slim to nil. I'm not at all opposed to Hendry being replaced, but I'd rather it be when someone new coming in would actually have something to work with.

 

 

i don't understand this line of thought at all

 

if someone isn't doing a good job, you hire someone else...no one can help the baggage at this point

 

why continue to let a drunken sailor man the ship?

[nick23]

And Derek Lowe is like 38 years old.

36 and probably better than Dempster.

 

Dempster has been better than Lowe statistically each of the past two seasons. How is Lowe probably better?

Because I don't believe that was the real Dempster last year. And I'd be willing to bet that Lowe's numbers this year end up better than Dempsters.

[illiniguy]

And this is why I hate Bob. No Bob, Ryan did not give us exactly what we needed. What we needed was him to come out and shut the Phillies out. It has happened before. Why does he always stand up for some guys, yet just attack Milton and Soriano whenever presented the chance?

[Sammys Boombox]

But the thing is, this offseason he will have to change things. Much like last year when he moved Dero to add payroll. So odds are he will move one of our contracts. I imagine He moves Z. But if he does that in order to create some flexability and then uses that to sign another Aaron Miles, it's going to get ugly.

 

I understand some people have this irrational fear/hatred of Hendry, but do you honestly belive that given the limited money available and the circumstances that if he did trade Zambrano his only move would be to then overpay for someone as historically bad as Aaron Miles?

 

The odds of some whiz kid being hired who can make magic with the very limited resources the Cubs will likely be facing this offseason and next season aren't pretty slim to nil. I'm not at all opposed to Hendry being replaced, but I'd rather it be when someone new coming in would actually have something to work with.

 

Irrational? He traded DeRosa to save $5 million so he could give Dempster $9 million for 4 YEARS and Miles $2.2 million. He brought in a player that can't handle the pressure to play in RF at Wrigley. Don't get me started on Soriano.

[Outshined_One]

i don't understand this line of thought at all

 

if someone isn't doing a good job, you hire someone else...no one can help the baggage at this point

 

why continue to let a drunken sailor man the ship?

 

Because the other options range from sailors who might have undisclosed alcohol problems to drunken sailors who can't keep themselves away from the crack pipe.

[illiniguy]

i don't understand this line of thought at all

 

if someone isn't doing a good job, you hire someone else...no one can help the baggage at this point

 

why continue to let a drunken sailor man the ship?

 

Because the other options range from sailors who might have undisclosed alcohol problems to drunken sailors who can't keep themselves away from the crack pipe.

That's really not true. You don't have to hire the same crap that has been floating around the big leagues, you can go outside that pool.

[TruffleShuffle]

of course that [expletive] drops in for a double

[fromthestretch]

And this is why I hate Bob. No Bob, Ryan did not give us exactly what we needed. What we needed was him to come out and shut the Phillies out. It has happened before. Why does he always stand up for some guys, yet just attack Milton and Soriano whenever presented the chance?

 

One of the many reasons why I can't understand why some people want to see him managing the Cubs.

[UMFan83]

But the thing is, this offseason he will have to change things. Much like last year when he moved Dero to add payroll. So odds are he will move one of our contracts. I imagine He moves Z. But if he does that in order to create some flexability and then uses that to sign another Aaron Miles, it's going to get ugly.

 

I understand some people have this irrational fear/hatred of Hendry, but do you honestly belive that given the limited money available and the circumstances that if he did trade Zambrano his only move would be to then overpay for someone as historically bad as Aaron Miles?

 

The odds of some whiz kid being hired who can make magic with the very limited resources the Cubs will likely be facing this offseason and next season aren't pretty slim to nil. I'm not at all opposed to Hendry being replaced, but I'd rather it be when someone new coming in would actually have something to work with.

Well he traded Mark DeRosa and added Aaron Miles, so yes I imagine he could do something pretty foolish again if given the chance. He values crap. Neifi Perez, Jose Macias, Aaron Miles, etc. Anyone willing to go with those guys over your own roster filler needs to be gone. Why is that so hard to accept?

 

I think we might need to accept that due to the current payroll structure of the team and the finite resources we are expected to have we might need to accept that what you see is what you get for awhile. Granted if this team stayed above average healthy instead of below average we would still be up there with the Cardinals. Bad starting pitching early is the biggest reason we are in this slide and I find it hard to believe if we had Z and Lilly in the rotation 3 out of the last 7 games we would still be in this dire situation.