08/13 Positive G/T: Phillies (Lee) @ Cubs (Demp) 1:20 CSN

[illiniguy]

He brought in a player that can't handle the pressure to play in RF at Wrigley.

 

Are you talking about Milton Bradley? The guy that is OPSing .930 in home games?

 

It's amazing how people still bash Bradley. He's not the problem. Of course you'd like his power numbers to be better, but my God. He nearly has a .400 OBP and his OPS is close to .800. I can't complain with Milt.

I love Milt, but he was paid to OPS near .900 not .800.

 

While true, with how bad he started it is going to take a miraculous 2nd half to get him to a 900OPS. Since the All Star Break hes over 900

I know. Like I said I am a big fan of Milton. Too bad it took so long to get him in the two hole. Just saying why some people are down on him.

[Keener98]

Impressive at bat Miles.

[JGalt73]

ugh miles

 

He's just being showcased for the waiver deal.... right? .... please!?!

[nick23]

Miles decided to K instead of weakly ground out.

[genbar]

Aaron Miles is a really great acquisition

[Sammys Boombox]

But the thing is, this offseason he will have to change things. Much like last year when he moved Dero to add payroll. So odds are he will move one of our contracts. I imagine He moves Z. But if he does that in order to create some flexability and then uses that to sign another Aaron Miles, it's going to get ugly.

 

I understand some people have this irrational fear/hatred of Hendry, but do you honestly belive that given the limited money available and the circumstances that if he did trade Zambrano his only move would be to then overpay for someone as historically bad as Aaron Miles?

 

The odds of some whiz kid being hired who can make magic with the very limited resources the Cubs will likely be facing this offseason and next season aren't pretty slim to nil. I'm not at all opposed to Hendry being replaced, but I'd rather it be when someone new coming in would actually have something to work with.

 

Irrational? He traded DeRosa to save $5 million so he could give Dempster $9 million for 4 YEARS and Miles $2.2 million. He brought in a player that can't handle the pressure to play in RF at Wrigley. Don't get me started on Soriano.

 

That's not the reason why DeRosa was traded. Bradley has been very good at home. Soriano is a major reason the Cubs made the playoffs the last two years (albeit with a terrible contract).

 

He needed to save money. He traded DeRosa. This created a need at second base. He signed Miles. So, Miles + $2.5-$3 million for DeRosa. Then he gave that money he saved to Dempster/Bradley. I'm sure there have been other options that would have lifted the Cubs to the playoffs that wouldn't have strapped them for 8 years.

[illiniguy]

Impressive at bat Miles.

That was the free agent signing that shifted the balance of power in the NL Central.

[TruffleShuffle]

please get miles off this team. i can't watch him any more.

[laurens]

Hahahaha 3 pitch PH at-bat. Solid AB Miles!

[Sammy Sofa]

i don't understand this line of thought at all

 

if someone isn't doing a good job, you hire someone else...no one can help the baggage at this point

 

why continue to let a drunken sailor man the ship?

 

Because Hendry isn't even close to being the worst case scenario, because he's still owed a lot of money and he'd have to be paid if fired and because whoever came in would have nothing to work with. Hendry's not going to "destroy" the team with the payroll all but locked up. He'll have as little freedom and leeway to make changes as anyone else. Again, I'm not saying this in that I think Hendry is the ideal GM or that I'd even be opposed to him being fired: I just don't see the benefit of firing him and still having to pay him and then paying someone else who can't do anything and is just going to take the fall if the team does poorly again.

[fromthestretch]

Aaron Miles is a really great acquisition

 

With Baker producing, Aaron Miles has no place here anymore.

 

Hell, even if Baker broke his leg in this game, there would still be no place for Miles on this roster.

[illiniguy]

So John Hughes death at 59 caused Jim to think about how short life is, but his own brothers didn't?

[imb]

This is the worst Game thread I have ever seen!Trying to keep track on this horrible Gameday and have no clue what's really going on as you guys just talkin' about GM's and next year and Lou!

 

An occasional description of this game would be appreciated. Thank you, boys.

 

Actually, this is pretty tame compared to some of the legendary game thread blow-ups from 2004-2007.

 

thank god wal mart called erik in this morning or this thread would be much worse

[Outshined_One]

Hence the ones who might have undisclosed alcohol problems.

 

Like Dayton Moore.

 

Or Josh Byrnes

 

Or Jon Daniels.

 

Jack Zduriencik seems well on his way with some weird moves made by the Mariners this season.

[Sammys Boombox]

Lowe 25 GS 12-7 4.08 ERA 1.41 WHIP 8 HR 49 BB

Dempster 21 GS 6-5 4.16 ERA 1.38 WHIP 17 HR 59 BB

 

How is Dempster better this year?

 

You don't give somebody the contract he gave Dempster just because he had a good year when everything was going for him.

 

I don't think many are defending Dempster's contract. Just that it was smarter than paying more for Lowe.

 

Neither pitcher is lighting the world on fire right now. If Lowe is better, it's a tiny amount of improvement that isn't worth the additional cost.

 

I agree. I just don't understand why some posters are claiming Dempster is having a better season than Lowe, as if it's not even close.

[Sammy Sofa]

But the thing is, this offseason he will have to change things. Much like last year when he moved Dero to add payroll. So odds are he will move one of our contracts. I imagine He moves Z. But if he does that in order to create some flexability and then uses that to sign another Aaron Miles, it's going to get ugly.

 

I understand some people have this irrational fear/hatred of Hendry, but do you honestly belive that given the limited money available and the circumstances that if he did trade Zambrano his only move would be to then overpay for someone as historically bad as Aaron Miles?

 

The odds of some whiz kid being hired who can make magic with the very limited resources the Cubs will likely be facing this offseason and next season aren't pretty slim to nil. I'm not at all opposed to Hendry being replaced, but I'd rather it be when someone new coming in would actually have something to work with.

 

Irrational? He traded DeRosa to save $5 million so he could give Dempster $9 million for 4 YEARS and Miles $2.2 million. He brought in a player that can't handle the pressure to play in RF at Wrigley. Don't get me started on Soriano.

 

That's not the reason why DeRosa was traded. Bradley has been very good at home. Soriano is a major reason the Cubs made the playoffs the last two years (albeit with a terrible contract).

 

He needed to save money. He traded DeRosa. This created a need at second base. He signed Miles. So, Miles + $2.5-$3 million for DeRosa. Then he gave that money he saved to Dempster/Bradley. I'm sure there have been other options that would have lifted the Cubs to the playoffs that wouldn't have strapped them for 8 years.

 

Which is completely different than he "he traded Derosa so he could resign Dempster and sign Miles."

[TruffleShuffle]

Hence the ones who might have undisclosed alcohol problems.

 

Like Dayton Moore.

 

Or Josh Byrnes

 

Or Jon Daniels.

 

Jack Zduriencik seems well on his way with some weird moves made by the Mariners this season.

 

i loved the branyan signing but what was the point of trading for jack wilson and ian snell???

 

still, i can't imagine that zduriencik could be worse than bavasi. what a horrible gm he was.

[illiniguy]

Hence the ones who might have undisclosed alcohol problems.

 

Like Dayton Moore.

 

Or Josh Byrnes

 

Or Jon Daniels.

 

Jack Zduriencik seems well on his way with some weird moves made by the Mariners this season.

 

i loved the branyan signing but what was the point of trading for jack wilson and ian snell???

 

still, i can't imagine that zduriencik could be worse than bavasi. what a horrible gm he was.

I think a lot of people wanted Snell. Change of scenery?

[Sammys Boombox]

He needed to save money. He traded DeRosa. This created a need at second base. He signed Miles. So, Miles + $2.5-$3 million for DeRosa. Then he gave that money he saved to Dempster/Bradley. I'm sure there have been other options that would have lifted the Cubs to the playoffs that wouldn't have strapped them for 8 years.

 

Which is completely different than he "he traded Derosa so he could resign Dempster and sign Miles."

 

Disagree.

[dew1679666265]

Lowe 25 GS 12-7 4.08 ERA 1.41 WHIP 8 HR 49 BB

Dempster 21 GS 6-5 4.16 ERA 1.38 WHIP 17 HR 59 BB

 

How is Dempster better this year?

 

You don't give somebody the contract he gave Dempster just because he had a good year when everything was going for him.

 

Demp has a worse ERA and has given up more homers in your stats, but he had a better K:BB ratio before today and his K/9 is 7.3 vs 4.7 for Lowe. Demp's WHIP is also better in those stats.

 

As for everything going for him last year, Dempster had a better WHIP on the road last year and a better K/9 away from home. He was very good at home and on the road last season.

[A-Cal]

i don't understand this line of thought at all

 

if someone isn't doing a good job, you hire someone else...no one can help the baggage at this point

 

why continue to let a drunken sailor man the ship?

 

Because Hendry isn't even close to being the worst case scenario, because he's still owed a lot of money and he'd have to be paid if fired and because whoever came in would have nothing to work with. Hendry's not going to "destroy" the team with the payroll all but locked up. He'll have as little freedom and leeway to make changes as anyone else. Again, I'm not saying this in that I think Hendry is the ideal GM or that I'd even be opposed to him being fired: I just don't see the benefit of firing him and still having to pay him and then paying someone else who can't do anything and is just going to take the fall if the team does poorly again.

 

anyone with half a brain could understand that a new GM for this team is going to have their share of obstacles...they would not be held accountable for hendry's mistakes

 

what is hendry's salary anyway?

[imb]

Alec Beeeeerrrrggggg

[Sammy Sofa]

He needed to save money. He traded DeRosa. This created a need at second base. He signed Miles. So, Miles + $2.5-$3 million for DeRosa. Then he gave that money he saved to Dempster/Bradley. I'm sure there have been other options that would have lifted the Cubs to the playoffs that wouldn't have strapped them for 8 years.

 

Which is completely different than he "he traded Derosa so he could resign Dempster and sign Miles."

 

Disagree.

 

There was a number of reasons as to why DeRosa was traded (some of which were and are very smart). To say he was traded simply to resign Dempster and sign Miles simply is not correct. Dempster would have likely been resigned regardless of whether DeRosa was traded or not. Miles was signed BECAUSE DeRosa was traded. DeRosa was not traded so Miles could be signed.

[dew1679666265]

Lowe 25 GS 12-7 4.08 ERA 1.41 WHIP 8 HR 49 BB

Dempster 21 GS 6-5 4.16 ERA 1.38 WHIP 17 HR 59 BB

 

How is Dempster better this year?

 

You don't give somebody the contract he gave Dempster just because he had a good year when everything was going for him.

 

I don't think many are defending Dempster's contract. Just that it was smarter than paying more for Lowe.

 

Neither pitcher is lighting the world on fire right now. If Lowe is better, it's a tiny amount of improvement that isn't worth the additional cost.

 

I agree. I just don't understand why some posters are claiming Dempster is having a better season than Lowe, as if it's not even close.

 

After today's start, Dempster has a slightly worse ERA, slightly better WHIP, a better K:BB ratio, more homers allowed and a significantly better K/9. If Dempster has been worse, it's not by much.

[Sammys Boombox]

Lowe 25 GS 12-7 4.08 ERA 1.41 WHIP 8 HR 49 BB

Dempster 21 GS 6-5 4.16 ERA 1.38 WHIP 17 HR 59 BB

 

How is Dempster better this year?

 

You don't give somebody the contract he gave Dempster just because he had a good year when everything was going for him.

 

Demp has a worse ERA and has given up more homers in your stats, but he had a better K:BB ratio before today and his K/9 is 7.3 vs 4.7 for Lowe. Demp's WHIP is also better in those stats.

 

As for everything going for him last year, Dempster had a better WHIP on the road last year and a better K/9 away from home. He was very good at home and on the road last season.

 

I don't think the K/9 is a valid argument when comparing these two. Lowe works toward contact on the ground. He never has been a big K pitcher. Again, I'm glad the Cubs avoided Lowe, but I don't see that Dempster has been better than him. 147 K is his career high.