Indians fielding offers for DeRosa

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According to SI.com's Jon Heyman, the Indians are "now fielding offers" for utilityman Mark DeRosa.

The Indians are reportedly seeking major league-ready pitchers. The 34-year-old DeRosa is batting .242/.312/.412 in 153 at-bats this season and is owed $4.15 million for the rest of '09. Heyman suggests the Mets might be a good fit.

Source: SI.com

[dew1679666265]

Jeff Stevens, Chris Archer and Jon Gaub should just about do it.

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry. :oops:

[YearofDaCubs]

Did Hendry finally sell high? I didn't want DeRo gone and who knows what numbers he could put up as a Cub but so far DeRo and Wood have been busts for the Indians.

[Banedon]

Did Hendry finally sell high? I didn't want DeRo gone and who knows what numbers he could put up as a Cub but so far DeRo and Wood have been busts for the Indians.

 

Derosa is facing a lot of pitchers he normally hasn't though. I bet he'd be just fine in the NL.

[UMFan83]

It's not like he's never played in the AL before though.

[Little Slide Rooter]

We'll take him off their hands, but they'll get Aaron Miles and not a penny more.

[jersey cubs fan]

Did Hendry finally sell high? I didn't want DeRo gone and who knows what numbers he could put up as a Cub but so far DeRo and Wood have been busts for the Indians.

 

I don't think there was any question about whether he sold high on DeRosa. He obviously did, given his age and numbers. The question is whether the "high value" was matched with a high return.

[Electron Blue]

Did Hendry finally sell high? I didn't want DeRo gone and who knows what numbers he could put up as a Cub but so far DeRo and Wood have been busts for the Indians.

 

I don't think there was any question about whether he sold high on DeRosa. He obviously did, given his age and numbers. The question is whether the "high value" was matched with a high return.

 

I'm no minor leagues expert, but it seems there is definitely some doubt about that...

[SCCubbieFAN]

It's not like he's never played in the AL before though.

 

And as I mentioned in another thread discussing DeRo, he adjusted just fine to NL pitching when the Cubs acquired him. So the question still remains, is he on the decline or is this just a slow start? And the next question is do the Cubs try and get him back and who would the Indians realistically take to do it?

[Wilmo]

With Aram out and Fontenot stinking it up I'd say go get him. When Aram returns, DeRosa can go to 2nd.

[nolanwood]

I'm sure it won't happen, but I'd love to see Hendry bring him back.

[UMFan83]

Reacquiring DeRosa would mean that Hendry admits that he shouldn't have traded him away, no matter the circumstances that bring him back here. I can't see Hendry sending that message.

[UK1679666180]

If they ever did trade for Derosa, it would equate to the seldom seen "prospects for prospect(s)" trade. I've always wanted to see one of those trades.

 

(Not including Rule 5 or players out of options as reasons for trades)

[SCCubbieFAN]

Reacquiring DeRosa would mean that Hendry admits that he shouldn't have traded him away, no matter the circumstances that bring him back here. I can't see Hendry sending that message.

 

Perhaps, but IMO JH would bring him back if the Indians took back another bad contract or agreed to pay half of the remainder of DeRo's contract. Hendry then ends up with DeRo back plus the 3 somewhat decent prospects the Cubs got from the Indians when they traded him. That puts more egg on the face of the Indians' GM than it does on JH's.

[apete6]

Fontenot for DeRosa? Would that be enough for the Indians? Would that be giving up on Fonty too early for the Cubs? Would losing Fonty push Theriot into a tailspin because he'd miss his best pal?

[Backtobanks]

Ascanio + Miles for DeRosa.

[CubColtPacer]

Fontenot for DeRosa? Would that be enough for the Indians? Would that be giving up on Fonty too early for the Cubs? Would losing Fonty push Theriot into a tailspin because he'd miss his best pal?

 

I wouldn't make that deal. Fontenot and DeRosa have been pretty much the same player this year. Fontenot's not going to hit .207 all year long, and with his walk and power rates he should improve as the season goes along and some singles start to fall in. If you trade him for DeRosa, you're committed to trying to find a new second baseman after 2009 with limited funds available. Considering that we're not even sure yet if DeRosa would be an upgrade over Fontenot this year, it would be a bad gamble IMO.

[apete6]

Fontenot for DeRosa? Would that be enough for the Indians? Would that be giving up on Fonty too early for the Cubs? Would losing Fonty push Theriot into a tailspin because he'd miss his best pal?

 

I wouldn't make that deal. Fontenot and DeRosa have been pretty much the same player this year. Fontenot's not going to hit .207 all year long, and with his walk and power rates he should improve as the season goes along and some singles start to fall in. If you trade him for DeRosa, you're committed to trying to find a new second baseman after 2009 with limited funds available. Considering that we're not even sure yet if DeRosa would be an upgrade over Fontenot this year, it would be a bad gamble IMO.

 

That's kind of what I think, too. Why couldn't we just hold on to the guy? Imagine having DeRo instead of Miles? Same overall financial committment and probably a Type A for DeRosa.

 

I know not having a backup SS would suck, but it's not like Miles is that much better than DeRo/Fontenot would have been at SS for,what, 10 games. And if Theriot were to miss a significant amount of time, we could have signed a Rey Rnez type guy to just play a good SS.

 

I hope the 3 Indians pitchers we got pan out. What about Wells and Miles for DeRosa and another lower level Indians prospect?

[dew1679666265]

Fontenot for DeRosa? Would that be enough for the Indians? Would that be giving up on Fonty too early for the Cubs? Would losing Fonty push Theriot into a tailspin because he'd miss his best pal?

 

I wouldn't make that deal. Fontenot and DeRosa have been pretty much the same player this year. Fontenot's not going to hit .207 all year long, and with his walk and power rates he should improve as the season goes along and some singles start to fall in. If you trade him for DeRosa, you're committed to trying to find a new second baseman after 2009 with limited funds available. Considering that we're not even sure yet if DeRosa would be an upgrade over Fontenot this year, it would be a bad gamble IMO.

 

That's kind of what I think, too. Why couldn't we just hold on to the guy? Imagine having DeRo instead of Miles? Same overall financial committment and probably a Type A for DeRosa.

 

$3 million more for DeRosa, though that's not a huge amount.

 

I know not having a backup SS would suck, but it's not like Miles is that much better than DeRo/Fontenot would have been at SS for,what, 10 games. And if Theriot were to miss a significant amount of time, we could have signed a Rey Rnez type guy to just play a good SS.

 

We don't have a decent backup shortstop now. The only real reason Miles is considered able to play the position is because he's played there before, I guess. He has a -10.9 UZR at SS (111 games) and DeRosa has a -3.6 UZR at SS (139 games).

 

I hope the 3 Indians pitchers we got pan out. What about Wells and Miles for DeRosa and another lower level Indians prospect?

 

I would do that trade in a heartbeat. And if Hendry could pull it off, he'd look like a genius. Basically Wells and Miles for Stevens, Gaub and Archer.

[hardcorecubfan]

The Cardinals will get him and he will have a career year, wo is us

[apete6]

That's kind of what I think, too. Why couldn't we just hold on to the guy? Imagine having DeRo instead of Miles? Same overall financial committment and probably a Type A for DeRosa.

$3 million more for DeRosa, though that's not a huge amount.

 

I would do that trade in a heartbeat. And if Hendry could pull it off, he'd look like a genius. Basically Wells and Miles for Stevens, Gaub and Archer.

 

I was meaning more of an overall committment. Wasn't DeRosa like $5.5 million for this year while Miles is $5 million over 2 years? That's a pretty minor overall difference, even when looking at just this year's payroll.

 

And, yes, Wells and Miles for the 3 Indians guys would probably be good for the Cubs in the long run.

[dew1679666265]

That's kind of what I think, too. Why couldn't we just hold on to the guy? Imagine having DeRo instead of Miles? Same overall financial committment and probably a Type A for DeRosa.

 

$3 million more for DeRosa, though that's not a huge amount.

 

I would do that trade in a heartbeat. And if Hendry could pull it off, he'd look like a genius. Basically Wells and Miles for Stevens, Gaub and Archer.

 

I was meaning more of an overall committment. Wasn't DeRosa like $5.5 million for this year while Miles is $5 million over 2 years? That's a pretty minor overall difference, even when looking at just this year's payroll.

 

And, yes, Wells and Miles for the 3 Indians guys would probably be good for the Cubs in the long run.

 

Yeah, when factoring in overpaying Miles for next year as well, the difference is a bit less. Even still, apparently that extra $3 million this year was too much.

[apete6]

Yeah, when factoring in overpaying Miles for next year as well, the difference is a bit less. Even still, apparently that extra $3 million this year was too much.

 

And that's the problem. What's an extra $3 million this year (0.5 MM overall) when you're trying to win a World Series. Very inconsistent by the Cubs management, even with the ownership change.

 

"$10 million for Bradley--$30 million overall? Why not? 4 million for Gregg? Sure. $3 million for DeRosa? I don't think so, let's get Aaron Miles instead!"

 

Even if they had "benched" him for Fontenot, he would have been worth it. 2 weeks a year (at least) at 3rd, platoon in RF with Bradley, platoon at 2B with Fontenot, a game or two at shortstop, insurance for Soriano and/or Lee. He would have gotten 300 ABs at least even without Aramis going down with this 2 month injury.

 

Maybe Lou just didn't like him, although I still find that hard to believe.

[Derwood]

Vizcaino for DeRosa

 

 

oh....crap....

[dew1679666265]

Yeah, when factoring in overpaying Miles for next year as well, the difference is a bit less. Even still, apparently that extra $3 million this year was too much.

 

And that's the problem. What's an extra $3 million this year (0.5 MM overall) when you're trying to win a World Series. Very inconsistent by the Cubs management, even with the ownership change.

 

"$10 million for Bradley--$30 million overall? Why not? 4 million for Gregg? Sure. $3 million for DeRosa? I don't think so, let's get Aaron Miles instead!"

 

Even if they had "benched" him for Fontenot, he would have been worth it. 2 weeks a year (at least) at 3rd, platoon in RF with Bradley, platoon at 2B with Fontenot, a game or two at shortstop, insurance for Soriano and/or Lee. He would have gotten 300 ABs at least even without Aramis going down with this 2 month injury.

 

Maybe Lou just didn't like him, although I still find that hard to believe.

 

Well there was the whole "he doesn't hit lefthanded" thing. That likely played a big part.

 

As for the money, there have been two theories tossed around. One is that we needed the cash saved from DeRosa to be able to sign Bradley. I don't buy that because it wouldn't make sense to turn around and pay Miles $2.5 this year after dealing DeRo. It would seem more logical to go truly cheap (since we're going bad anyway).

 

The second theory is that we traded DeRo as part of a money saving attempt to net Peavy. That's far more likely, but Hendry should've waited until the Peavy deal was complete before dumping DeRo.