Ramirez Injury Thread

[dew1679666265]

Losing Aramis is a big blow. But quite honestly, with or without Aramis, if they cannot find anyone other than Marmol to get people out late in games it will not matter who plays 3B.

 

Even when he's good, Gooz is still giving up runs. Patton has the stuff, but appears ill at ease on the mound. This isn't the time to worry about weather or not Colorado will want him back. If Lou's not going to use him, talented or not, he needs to go. If they're that much into projects, give Stevens a look. Cotts is unreliable for late innings even as a loog. Fox? Well, I suppose it wouldn't be a season without Fox making useless appearances. Just wish it was in a Pirates uniform.

 

Forget Aramis and target a couple of relievers or shake things up if Wells is pitching adequately by the time Z returns and move Marshall to the pen (he gets people out in any role) and keep Wells starting.

 

Something needs to be done. That's the biggest hole on the team, not Aramis. Bradley and Lee will eventually hit close to their averages. Soto and Font should improve from where they are at. The offense should be decent even without Aramis, but who cares if leads can not be protected.

 

The reason for there to be more worry about Aramis than the bullpen is because it's far easier to patch together a decent bullpen than it is to find a very productive third baseman. We all expect Bradley, Lee, Soto, etc. to start hitting closer to their career norms, but what if two of those three don't?

 

There's ample reason to believe that Soto and Lee won't get back to what we expected and without Aramis, the offense isn't nearly as imposing as it once was.

[Derwood]

Is Gary Gaetti available?

[Little Slide Rooter]

Im betting that teams with a guy theyre trying to move have already contacted Jim Hendry.

[Gingerballs Lives]

Wonderfull. Hopefully this doesn't affect his swing, as ARAM is known to take a powerful cut now and again.

 

This freaking sucks.

[Soul]

I've thought about it for awhile and come to the conclusion that we're screwed.

[cubswin2009]

The news reports online are pretty encouraging. Most are saying 4-6 weeks. About where we expected.

[BCVM22]

The news reports online are pretty encouraging. Most are saying 4-6 weeks. About where we expected.

 

Encouraging indeed. By the time he's back, we might only be down to 5th place in the division. :(

[badnews]

Most of the guys listed in the trade wants can't play 3b. People are feeling desperate, but no, the whole "DH at 3b" thing isn't going to work.

 

There's only one man who can save the Cubs now. One man who, when he gets hot, no one is better. That man, almost Chuck Norris-like in his glory is RUSSELL "THE ELIMINATOR" BRANYAN. Or Greg Dobbs. But when Russell Branyan is hot, he hits .200 with a .330 OBP and every one of his hits goes for extra bases. Plus we can listen to sportscasters say "He doesn't get cheated when he swings."

 

I'll throw a crazier name out there - Dallas McPherson.

[Guest]

why are we even talking about trades, i dont think Hendry is capable of making any good decisions right now

 

The thing about Hendry is even if he ends up grossly over pying, he'll get his guy if needed

 

and another thing, Ankiel goes head first into the wall and full speed and misses a few games, we have a guy that just falls on his arm and is gone for 6-8 weeks

 

Ankiel was actually DLd today, or maybe it was yesterday.

 

ok 15 days is still a whole lot better than possibly 8 weeks

 

Yeah, too bad Aramis is on the 8 week DL.

 

What are you talking about, obviously he will go on the 15 day DL because 60 would be too much esp if he heals faster. That doesnt mean he would be ready at the end of the 15 unlike Ankiel who wouldnt be ready to go for the next few games. Hell it could very well be longer if there is more damage in the shoulder that the Xrays pick up.

 

Who is to say that Ankiel will be ready after 15 days? Just because a guy is on the DL for 15 days doesn't mean he's going to come back exactly 15 days from when he goes on there. Ankiel might end up having to miss a month.

[Larry Horse]

I think it's becoming more and more clear that 2003 was the year.

 

Fixed

[Andy]

If it's 4-6 weeks, I might be okay. Maybe. In the GDT things like 'torn labrum' and 'career-changer' were getting thrown around. That scared me to death. Aramis is my favorite position player since Sammy and I don't want this to be a 'career-changer'.

 

If it's only a 6-week injury, I think we might be able to stay afloat with a little luck and some production from Milton "Umps Don't Let Me Walk" Bradley and Geo. But a little luck's been pretty effing hard to come by this season.

[C.C.]

The news reports online are pretty encouraging. Most are saying 4-6 weeks. About where we expected.

 

It's just speculation. No one knows until the MRI

[Backtobanks]

I agree with the poster that stated that we ought to quit dreaming because Freel will be our 3B until Ramirez comes back. Of the other players mentioned, Wigginton or Loretta (probably not available) would be the best choices because of their versatility. A trade for Cantu would decimate our farm system. Players like Beltre and Mora would be useless once Ramirez comes back. Huff and Blalock probably can't play well enough defensively. Atkins and Kuzmanoff might be decent fill-ins if their asking price was really cheap.

[Little Slide Rooter]

If it's 4-6 weeks, I might be okay. Maybe. In the GDT things like 'torn labrum' and 'career-changer' were getting thrown around. That scared me to death. Aramis is my favorite position player since Sammy and I don't want this to be a 'career-changer'.

 

 

Yeah, people tend to over react around here, this the were screwed, seasons over, 2008 was our year stuff.

 

I really wish that people would take time out to think to realise that we still have a lineup capalble of 4-6 runs an night and a pitching staff capable of holding the opposition to less.

[RynoRules]

They have been dinged up pretty much all season thus far, and the season is about 6 weeks old. Bradley and Geo havenb't hit much; Lee isn't near what he was three or four years ago. Yet here they are, a few games over .500 and very much "in it".

 

I really don't think this is a reason to panic. In the past, with Neifi as your back up and Dusty as your manager, I would have raised the white flag. Not with this group.

 

And don't freak if Jim doesn't run out and trade for some one. Let's see if Freel can fill-in for a week or two before we start calling for Hendry to bring in a reinforcement. As another poster mentioned, I'd rather see Hendry concentrate on fixing our very spotty bullpen.

[Guancous]

Man, Vizcaino and Gaudin would have helped our depth to make trades. I second the Dallas McPherson idea. He'd be cheaper to acquire than Atkins and could be Jack Cust for 8 weeks.

[NewUserName]

I agree with the poster that stated that we ought to quit dreaming because Freel will be our 3B until Ramirez comes back. Of the other players mentioned, Wigginton or Loretta (probably not available) would be the best choices because of their versatility. A trade for Cantu would decimate our farm system. Players like Beltre and Mora would be useless once Ramirez comes back. Huff and Blalock probably can't play well enough defensively. Atkins and Kuzmanoff might be decent fill-ins if their asking price was really cheap.

 

I agree it is probably Freel. I actually liked the Russell Branyon suggestion also. However, a trade for Cantu would not decimate our farm system, it is already ranked at the bottom of baseball. So the trade would really really decimate our system.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I agree with the poster that stated that we ought to quit dreaming because Freel will be our 3B until Ramirez comes back. Of the other players mentioned, Wigginton or Loretta (probably not available) would be the best choices because of their versatility. A trade for Cantu would decimate our farm system. Players like Beltre and Mora would be useless once Ramirez comes back. Huff and Blalock probably can't play well enough defensively. Atkins and Kuzmanoff might be decent fill-ins if their asking price was really cheap.

 

I agree it is probably Freel. I actually liked the Russell Branyon suggestion also. However, a trade for Cantu would not decimate our farm system, it is already ranked at the bottom of baseball. So the trade would really really decimate our system.

 

Why would we want Branyan when we could probably get Wiggington for the same price, and Wiggignton can play both corher infield and outfielod positions? I agre that if its 4-6 week thing, they're not going to make a deal for someone like Cantu, Atkins, or Huff, but Wiggington could be usefull as another utility guy down the road.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Bruce is also reporting 4-6 weeks.

 

Link.

 

That prognosis seems to imply that it's a simple dislocation without any major tears or other complications. If so, that time table appears correct. He'll probably need a rehab assignment, so my guess is he'll be back between the All-Star break and August 1.

 

I don't see Hendry pulling a major deal before then. The Cubs could look at Mike Lamb or Morgan Ensberg. Let them go to Iowa for a week or two and see if they warrant a call-up to fill the gap.

 

Ray Durham also has been mentioned, and he might be worth a look as well. I think finding a decent trade target at this stage of the season just isn't going to happen.

[dew1679666265]

Bruce is also reporting 4-6 weeks.

 

Link.

 

That prognosis seems to imply that it's a simple dislocation without any major tears or other complications. If so, that time table appears correct. He'll probably need a rehab assignment, so my guess is he'll be back between the All-Star break and August 1.

 

I don't see Hendry pulling a major deal before then. The Cubs could look at Mike Lamb or Morgan Ensberg. Let them go to Iowa for a week or two and see if they warrant a call-up to fill the gap.

 

Ray Durham also has been mentioned, and he might be worth a look as well. I think finding a decent trade target at this stage of the season just isn't going to happen.

 

I agree. Last night I was working under the assumption that 6 weeks would be a minimum. Now that it looks somewhat realistic, I doubt a trade happens.

 

I'd still like Durham, but I just doubt Lou would put up with Fontenot's defense at third for a long period of time. We probably are looking at Freel and Scales at third for the forseeable future.

[CUBZ99]

Maybe the Padres will try to get the Cubs to get back in the Peavy bidding, by throwing in Kouzmanoff. Granted his stats are pretty, but maybe being traded to his favorite team work some magic. :-)) :-))

[Irrelevant Dude]

Well, I don't think this is a death blow to the Cubs season just yet, but it does all but prove many experts wrong in their prediction that the Cubs would run away with the NL Central. At this point, we just have to hope that the Cubs can tread water for the next 2 months and stay within 4-5 games of first place.

[wade]

Bruce is also reporting 4-6 weeks.

 

Link.

 

That prognosis seems to imply that it's a simple dislocation without any major tears or other complications. If so, that time table appears correct. He'll probably need a rehab assignment, so my guess is he'll be back between the All-Star break and August 1.

 

I don't see Hendry pulling a major deal before then. The Cubs could look at Mike Lamb or Morgan Ensberg. Let them go to Iowa for a week or two and see if they warrant a call-up to fill the gap.

 

Ray Durham also has been mentioned, and he might be worth a look as well. I think finding a decent trade target at this stage of the season just isn't going to happen.

 

 

I'll throw in my specialty (personal experience)- I'm a multi-dislocator in my right arm and from what I'm reading (especially Ramirez saying it's happened before) he probably didn't have it come all the way out and could be on the track you linked. At least I hope. It's good news that it's not his throwing arm, because his days at third would be over- I know that from experience- what I don't know is the effect of the lead arm in the swing, but again, he's had this happen before.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Bruce is also reporting 4-6 weeks.

 

Link.

 

That prognosis seems to imply that it's a simple dislocation without any major tears or other complications. If so, that time table appears correct. He'll probably need a rehab assignment, so my guess is he'll be back between the All-Star break and August 1.

 

I don't see Hendry pulling a major deal before then. The Cubs could look at Mike Lamb or Morgan Ensberg. Let them go to Iowa for a week or two and see if they warrant a call-up to fill the gap.

 

Ray Durham also has been mentioned, and he might be worth a look as well. I think finding a decent trade target at this stage of the season just isn't going to happen.

 

Id take Durham at 2nd and platoon Font and Freel at 3rd, but I really dont see Lamb or Ensberg as upgrades over anything.

[badnews]

I am not at all optimistic Lee, Bradley, and Soto are going to "hit like they should." I wouldn't be surprised if at the end of the year they are all .760 OPSers. At least we didn't trade everything for Matt Holliday, I don't think he's going to finish the year with an OPS above .850. Edited May 9, 2009 by badnews