Re: NSBB mock draft 2009

[Mike Aller]

Sorry about the wait, guys. I meant to message CR last night with my pick(s) but I forgot. :(

 

Anywayyy....

 

With Rodgers talking about wanting to leave, I thought about Raji. And with Malcolm Jenkins less than stellar combine, I am going to go with Aaron Maybin, DE - PSU

[stuy119]

ALright, it's Rocket then soccer10K.

[dew1679666265]

Sorry about the wait, guys. I meant to message CR last night with my pick(s) but I forgot. :(

 

Anywayyy....

 

With Rodgers talking about wanting to leave, I thought about Raji. And with Malcolm Jenkins less than stellar combine, I am going to go with Aaron Maybin, DE - PSU

 

It's thoroughly inexcusable. You will never be forgiven for your forgetfulness. :wink:

 

Interesting pick with Maybin. I assume the Browns will remain with a 3-4 this year under Mangini?

[Guest]

Did you PM Rocket, dew?

[dew1679666265]

Did you PM Rocket, dew?

 

Yea, sorry. Meant to mention that.

[rawaction]

I missed the discussion but many people hit on my issue with Crabtree. He's considered top 5, like Calvin Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald, but he's not even in their class. Not because they have both blown up in the pros, but he wasn't the college WR that those 2 were nor is he close to the same type of athlete. I thought Maclin was pretty close to him (around the 8-15 range in top prospects) before when Crabtree was 6'3", but now that he only has 3/8" on him and Maclin has a step on him in speed, I think Maclin's just as good of a prospect. And I didn't even bring up the injury.

[dew1679666265]

I missed the discussion but many people hit on my issue with Crabtree. He's considered top 5, like Calvin Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald, but he's not even in their class. Not because they have both blown up in the pros, but he wasn't the college WR that those 2 were nor is he close to the same type of athlete. I thought Maclin was pretty close to him (around the 8-15 range in top prospects) before when Crabtree was 6'3", but now that he only has 3/8" on him and Maclin has a step on him in speed, I think Maclin's just as good of a prospect. And I didn't even bring up the injury.

 

Those two inches make a bit of a difference in my opinion of him, but I still like him.

 

And just because he's seen as good enough to be a top 5 pick doesn't necessarily mean he has to be as good as Calvin and Fitz. He's the best WR in the draft (in my opinion), so I think teams that need a receiver should take him - be it in the top 5 or down to the teens.

[CubbieBum]

You hardly ever see a WR come in and make an impact from day one. Only established teams with solid WR groups should be drafting a WR.

 

It certainly helps to have veteran WRs around the young guy, but I think some young WRs can have success without an established group around them.

 

How established do you mean, also? Do you mean only the Colts and Patriots should draft receivers, or can the Titans (who have veterans, but aren't very strong at the position) draft one by your standards? If you mean a strong, quality group, then there's not that many teams like that and most of those don't need WRs. If you just mean solid veterans, then I tend to agree.

 

A solid group of veterans who are capable of producing, and don't count on the new WR to make a serious impact.

 

For example, if a team is strong and has a solid core of veterans (the Titans) and seems in need of only a WR, by all means draft one (yes, I know they have other holes after FA). But if you need an impact WR (like Seattle), it's better to go out on the market and pick up a good FA and draft a different player at a position that is more predictable.

 

How in the world do you justify that theory? Arizona shouldn't have drafted Fitzgerald? Why can't a mediocre team draft a WR?

 

They can, but more often than not the WR drafted will not end up being a difference-maker.

 

Truffle mentioned a few cases earlier, and most of those don't fit into this group either. Holt went to the Rams when they had Bruce (and someone else, I can't remember who), Moss went to MIN who already had Carter (and were already a pretty good team), Harrison I don't even remember where the Colts were when he came in, and Jackson was joining an established cast in Philly.

 

Again, there are few cases of a WR coming in to make an immediate impact on a team that wasn't already an established contender.

 

Holt's rookie year was the 99 Super Bowl Rams ( :evil: still a bit bitter) and Moss entered in 98 with Cris Carter and Jake Reed.

 

Harrison, however, entered the Colts in 96 with their top receivers being Sean Dawkins, Brian Stablein and Aaron Bailey. They weren't good. And Jackson's group may be established, but they're not particularly good. Reggie Brown, Hank Baskett and Kevin Curtis are all ok vets, but nothing special.

 

 

Owens came in with crap too. He played with Stokes adn some dude named Rice.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Crabtree may not be a physical freak, but nobody can stop him from catching the ball.

[rawaction]

Crabtree may not be a physical freak, but nobody can stop him from catching the ball.

 

No. Nobody in the Big 12 could stop him from catching the ball. To put that in perspective, nobody could stop household names like Kerry Meier, Quan Cosby, Brandon Banks, Eric Morris, Detron Lewis, and Dezmon Briscoe either along with guys like Maclin, Coffman, Iglesias, Dez Bryant, and Shipley. Texas Tech had 3 players with 74 catches or more. Saying nobody can stop Crabtree, to me, is like saying nobody could stop Andre Ware from completing passes. Not saying that Crabtree will be that type of bust, but just pointing out when your team throws the ball 667 times it's not hard to catch 97 passes if you a single iota of talent.

[rocket]

The Bengals pick Jason Smith, OT from Baylor.

 

The Bengals suck everywhere except for QB, and that's assuming Palmer stays healthy. Might as well start with shoring up the offensive line, though the Bengals could go in many directions with this pick.

[dew1679666265]

The Bengals pick Jason Smith, OT from Baylor.

 

The Bengals suck everywhere except for QB, and that's assuming Palmer stays healthy. Might as well start with shoring up the offensive line, though the Bengals could go in many directions with this pick.

 

Solid pick. The Bengals really do need pretty much everything, so you might as well start with protecting Carson. Definitely a run on offensive/defensive linemen so far.

 

I have PMd soccer10k to pick for the Fightin' Al Davis'.

[Guest]

While the Raiders will probably do something ridiculously stupid like take that kicker from USC who supposedly benched 225 25 times, I'm going to have them take Michael Crabtree since their current wide receivers, well, suck.

 

I feel sorry for Crabtree, because if he's drafted by the Raiders, his chances of becoming a bust will increase by about 1000%.

[dew1679666265]

While the Raiders will probably do something ridiculously stupid like take that kicker from USC who supposedly benched 225 25 times, I'm going to have them take Michael Crabtree since their current wide receivers, well, suck.

 

I feel sorry for Crabtree, because if he's drafted by the Raiders, his chances of becoming a bust will increase by about 1000%.

 

Eh, don't worry, anybody the Raiders take will bust so don't feel too sorry for Crabtree. :wink:

 

JaMarcus Russell does need a weapon, though, and I think Crabtree will make a good one.

[Guest]

I was expecting one of the Smiths or Monroe to fall. Since none of the top 3 OLs did, I went with BJ Raji to replace Marcus Stroud. I also considered Vontae Davis and Malcolm Jenkins (I think Davis is a better prospect than Jenkins).

[dew1679666265]

I was expecting one of the Smiths or Monroe to fall. Since none of the top 3 OLs did, I went with BJ Raji to replace Marcus Stroud. I also considered Vontae Davis and Malcolm Jenkins (I think Davis is a better prospect than Jenkins).

 

I love Raji. If Haynesworth does slip away from the Titans, I wouldn't mind them trading up to try to get Raji. I don't think they will, but Raji would be a nice replacement.

[Flames24Rulz]

Mark, I think we should take Everette Brown out of FSU. With Kampman playing 50% of the snaps at one of the OLB spots, that opens up a DE spot on the three down linemen. I think Brown would be able to compliment Cullen Jenkins extremely well in the pass rush. Okrapo would have been my choice if he was still on the board, but I think Brown makes a lot of sense for us as well.

 

Let's see what you have to say.

[CubbieBum]

I was expecting one of the Smiths or Monroe to fall. Since none of the top 3 OLs did, I went with BJ Raji to replace Marcus Stroud. I also considered Vontae Davis and Malcolm Jenkins (I think Davis is a better prospect than Jenkins).

 

I love Raji. If Haynesworth does slip away from the Titans, I wouldn't mind them trading up to try to get Raji. I don't think they will, but Raji would be a nice replacement.

 

Tennessee trading up to get Raji? What you going to give that team the rest of your draft picks? Trading up from 30 to the top 10 is near impossible.

[mhuber92211]

I was expecting one of the Smiths or Monroe to fall. Since none of the top 3 OLs did, I went with BJ Raji to replace Marcus Stroud. I also considered Vontae Davis and Malcolm Jenkins (I think Davis is a better prospect than Jenkins).

 

I think the seahawks might pick Raji. It just depends on which side of the ball gets the attention. With Mora being a Defensive coach, Raji is likely at #4 too. I just wanted a franchise LT to replace Jones.

[Splendid_Splinter]

Mark, I think we should take Everette Brown out of FSU. With Kampman playing 50% of the snaps at one of the OLB spots, that opens up a DE spot on the three down linemen. I think Brown would be able to compliment Cullen Jenkins extremely well in the pass rush. Okrapo would have been my choice if he was still on the board, but I think Brown makes a lot of sense for us as well.

 

Let's see what you have to say.

If the Packers were to pick Brown they would use him as an outside linebacker across from Aaron Kampman. Brown is way too small to play as a defensive end in a 3-4, where linemen normally ought to weight around 300 pounds. If Justin Harrell is healthy, from everything I've heard out of the Packers' front office, he will be the defensive end opposite Cullen Jenkins.

 

While my input doesn't matter, as a Packers fan I would say avoid Brown at all costs. It may be irrational on my part, but he just screams bust like every other undersized defensive end from Florida State.

[stuy119]

Mark, I think we should take Everette Brown out of FSU. With Kampman playing 50% of the snaps at one of the OLB spots, that opens up a DE spot on the three down linemen. I think Brown would be able to compliment Cullen Jenkins extremely well in the pass rush. Okrapo would have been my choice if he was still on the board, but I think Brown makes a lot of sense for us as well.

 

Let's see what you have to say.

If the Packers were to pick Brown they would use him as an outside linebacker across from Aaron Kampman. Brown is way too small to play as a defensive end in a 3-4, where linemen normally ought to weight around 300 pounds. If Justin Harrell is healthy, from everything I've heard out of the Packers' front office, he will be the defensive end opposite Cullen Jenkins.

 

While my input doesn't matter, as a Packers fan I would say avoid Brown at all costs. It may be irrational on my part, but he just screams bust like every other undersized defensive end from Florida State.

 

Except most of those "busts" were used in a 4-3, not a 3-4.

[Mark_R]

This is a tough pick since I think Raji would be a perfect fit in GB, as would any of the falling OT's to potentially replace Mark Tauscher, and if all of those guys were off the board, I would prefer the Pack trade down instead of reaching for a player, but since that is not an option...

 

The Packers select OLB Everette Brown from Florida State.

[Splendid_Splinter]

Mark, I think we should take Everette Brown out of FSU. With Kampman playing 50% of the snaps at one of the OLB spots, that opens up a DE spot on the three down linemen. I think Brown would be able to compliment Cullen Jenkins extremely well in the pass rush. Okrapo would have been my choice if he was still on the board, but I think Brown makes a lot of sense for us as well.

 

Let's see what you have to say.

If the Packers were to pick Brown they would use him as an outside linebacker across from Aaron Kampman. Brown is way too small to play as a defensive end in a 3-4, where linemen normally ought to weight around 300 pounds. If Justin Harrell is healthy, from everything I've heard out of the Packers' front office, he will be the defensive end opposite Cullen Jenkins.

 

While my input doesn't matter, as a Packers fan I would say avoid Brown at all costs. It may be irrational on my part, but he just screams bust like every other undersized defensive end from Florida State.

 

Except most of those "busts" were used in a 4-3, not a 3-4.

Coincidentally the one player I was thinking of when I wrote that post was Kamerion Wimbley. Outside of his rookie season he continues to be a disappointment in a 3-4 defense.

 

Since you're the resident Florida State fan can you name any DE/OLB, other than Peter Boulware, that has actually lived up their hype?

[dew1679666265]

I was expecting one of the Smiths or Monroe to fall. Since none of the top 3 OLs did, I went with BJ Raji to replace Marcus Stroud. I also considered Vontae Davis and Malcolm Jenkins (I think Davis is a better prospect than Jenkins).

 

I love Raji. If Haynesworth does slip away from the Titans, I wouldn't mind them trading up to try to get Raji. I don't think they will, but Raji would be a nice replacement.

 

Tennessee trading up to get Raji? What you going to give that team the rest of your draft picks? Trading up from 30 to the top 10 is near impossible.

 

I know it'd be near impossible, but it's a nice thought. Especially since Albert's gone now.

[stuy119]

Mark, I think we should take Everette Brown out of FSU. With Kampman playing 50% of the snaps at one of the OLB spots, that opens up a DE spot on the three down linemen. I think Brown would be able to compliment Cullen Jenkins extremely well in the pass rush. Okrapo would have been my choice if he was still on the board, but I think Brown makes a lot of sense for us as well.

 

Let's see what you have to say.

If the Packers were to pick Brown they would use him as an outside linebacker across from Aaron Kampman. Brown is way too small to play as a defensive end in a 3-4, where linemen normally ought to weight around 300 pounds. If Justin Harrell is healthy, from everything I've heard out of the Packers' front office, he will be the defensive end opposite Cullen Jenkins.

 

While my input doesn't matter, as a Packers fan I would say avoid Brown at all costs. It may be irrational on my part, but he just screams bust like every other undersized defensive end from Florida State.

 

Except most of those "busts" were used in a 4-3, not a 3-4.

Coincidentally the one player I was thinking of when I wrote that post was Kamerion Wimbley. Outside of his rookie season he continues to be a disappointment in a 3-4 defense.

 

Since you're the resident Florida State fan can you name any DE/OLB, other than Peter Boulware, that has actually lived up their hype?

 

Actually, from a lot of thing I've heard (and read), it's the success of Wimbley and his work ethic that is pushing the Browns toward taking Everette Brown. Wimbley (aside from the 11 sacks of his rookie year) has been pretty consistent in his 3 years in the NFL.

 

But, no, I can't name another off the top of my head. Like you said, it's due to the small-ish size of the DE's in our system which is based on speed and not power, and makes them more suited to a 3-4 (which wasn't used much in the NFL until the past 6-8 years - after our heyday of producing top college DE's).