Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[TheDude]

One thing that seems to be getting lost in all of this is that Hendry reportedly walked away from the Peavy deal because Towers' demands were apparently through the roof. That's one version of the story anyway.

 

Do we have any reason to believe that rather critical component of the equation has changed at all?

 

If not, then all of this speculation is rather meaningless IMO.

 

Yes, I believe there is reason to think that critical component will change by the start of the season if you assume media reports about Padres payroll are accurate. If the Padres have to slim the payroll down by mandate, Peavy has to go. Towers has no leverage thanks to Peavy's ntc. Hendry doesn't have to budge, but Towers does.

[rawaction]

I have a very good friend who is in the front office of another N.L. club. I asked him yesterday if the Indians trade was a precursor to a trade with San Diego that would send Peavy to Chicago. He replied, "100 percent." Now, he said it might be close to spring training and that the Cubs would have to deal with getting approval from ownership/prospective new ownership, but he said that no matter what anybody on either side says, everyone in both organizations expects and wants to get a Peavy deal done before spring training. Fire away all you want, but if a mod wants, I'll tell him my source privately. Happy New Year.

 

I'm holding out hope that this is the case, though I don't know if I can wait another 2 months! I would think if Hendry knew he could only afford either Peavy OR Bradley, that he would choose Peavy. Peavy is truly elite at his position and is more likely to stay healthy. The Cubs do need a RF more than another SP, but I'd think Hendry would have sense enough to go after a cheaper RF, if necessary (Hermida, Scott, etc). But you never know, and there's not much indication, at this point, that this is the case.

[Monco]

Peavy is a major risk.

 

elbow soreness last year

3.80 career road era-pitched 1/2 his games at Petco

long term contract

 

Then add in what they have to give up get him. The players they would have to give up could be sent elsewhere to upgrade short,second ,RF etc. A few months ago we were raving about Z,Harden,Dempster,and Lilly as a top 4. Do they have doubts about Harden lasting the season and Dempster pitching like last year ? Is Peavy the missing piece to get the World Series? If they had him last year would they have won it all? (No) Peavy seems like a luxury and a risk. Sometimes the best deals are the ones that aren't made.

[E.J.]

rotoworld:

 

Jake Peavy-S-Padres Jan. 1 - 9:42 am et

 

Asked Wednesday if the Cubs clearing payroll space by trading Mark DeRosa and Jason Marquis would re-open talks for Jake Peavy, Padres general manager Kevin Towers replied: "Doubtful."

Chicago has cleared about $8 million in payroll for this season, but it sounds like that money will be offered to Milton Bradley.

[RedFlash]

I have a very good friend who is in the front office of another N.L. club. I asked him yesterday if the Indians trade was a precursor to a trade with San Diego that would send Peavy to Chicago. He replied, "100 percent." Now, he said it might be close to spring training and that the Cubs would have to deal with getting approval from ownership/prospective new ownership, but he said that no matter what anybody on either side says, everyone in both organizations expects and wants to get a Peavy deal done before spring training. Fire away all you want, but if a mod wants, I'll tell him my source privately. Happy New Year.

 

I'm holding out hope that this is the case, though I don't know if I can wait another 2 months! I would think if Hendry knew he could only afford either Peavy OR Bradley, that he would choose Peavy. Peavy is truly elite at his position and is more likely to stay healthy. The Cubs do need a RF more than another SP, but I'd think Hendry would have sense enough to go after a cheaper RF, if necessary (Hermida, Scott, etc). But you never know, and there's not much indication, at this point, that this is the case.

 

Same here. I could wait another two months to make it happen, but what I can't handle is the freaking daily "updates", the daily "the deal is done", to "the deal is done" crap that has plagued the Cubs last yr an so far this offseason. If they kept the negotiations private and out of the media, I can live with that. But the daily updates is what I didn't like.

Edited January 1, 2009 by RedFlash

[CubsInNC]

"the dead is done"

 

They made a few movies about the undone dead, you might wanna check those out. They sound up your alley.

[RedFlash]

"the dead is done"

 

They made a few movies about the undone dead, you might wanna check those out. They sound up your alley.

 

Who are you, IMB in disguise?

 

It's well documented that I can't spell, and I type fast, so I am prone to misspelling words...Geez...

[David]

I have a very good friend who is in the front office of another N.L. club. I asked him yesterday if the Indians trade was a precursor to a trade with San Diego that would send Peavy to Chicago. He replied, "100 percent." Now, he said it might be close to spring training and that the Cubs would have to deal with getting approval from ownership/prospective new ownership, but he said that no matter what anybody on either side says, everyone in both organizations expects and wants to get a Peavy deal done before spring training. Fire away all you want, but if a mod wants, I'll tell him my source privately. Happy New Year.

 

I'm holding out hope that this is the case, though I don't know if I can wait another 2 months! I would think if Hendry knew he could only afford either Peavy OR Bradley, that he would choose Peavy. Peavy is truly elite at his position and is more likely to stay healthy. The Cubs do need a RF more than another SP, but I'd think Hendry would have sense enough to go after a cheaper RF, if necessary (Hermida, Scott, etc). But you never know, and there's not much indication, at this point, that this is the case.

 

Confirm the guy's "source"...

[David]

Please

[17 Seconds]

he said it's a guy in another nl front office so it's not a big deal anyways. they probably wouldn't know any more aobut it than the writers do.

[Backtobanks]

rotoworld:

 

Jake Peavy-S-Padres Jan. 1 - 9:42 am et

 

Asked Wednesday if the Cubs clearing payroll space by trading Mark DeRosa and Jason Marquis would re-open talks for Jake Peavy, Padres general manager Kevin Towers replied: "Doubtful."

Chicago has cleared about $8 million in payroll for this season, but it sounds like that money will be offered to Milton Bradley.

 

Hendry was upset with all of the "leaks" about the Peavy trade speculation, so he probably told Towers to keep any discussions private.

[Cubswin11]

rotoworld:

 

Jake Peavy-S-Padres Jan. 1 - 9:42 am et

 

Asked Wednesday if the Cubs clearing payroll space by trading Mark DeRosa and Jason Marquis would re-open talks for Jake Peavy, Padres general manager Kevin Towers replied: "Doubtful."

Chicago has cleared about $8 million in payroll for this season, but it sounds like that money will be offered to Milton Bradley.

 

Hendry was upset with all of the "leaks" about the Peavy trade speculation, so he probably told Towers to keep any discussions private.

I remember an article maybe 2 weeks ago where Towers said that if Peavy was traded nobody would hear about it and it wouldn't be as public as it got at the winter meetings, It's probably somewhere in this thread but I didn't feel like going through 30+ pages trying to find it, I think it was from Yahoo. I find it hard to believe that we had to trade DeRosa and Marquis to get just Bradley and we either needed to find pitchers to replace what we would trade for Peavy or find other pitchers to throw into the deal.

[17 Seconds]

rotoworld:

 

Jake Peavy-S-Padres Jan. 1 - 9:42 am et

 

Asked Wednesday if the Cubs clearing payroll space by trading Mark DeRosa and Jason Marquis would re-open talks for Jake Peavy, Padres general manager Kevin Towers replied: "Doubtful."

Chicago has cleared about $8 million in payroll for this season, but it sounds like that money will be offered to Milton Bradley.

 

Hendry was upset with all of the "leaks" about the Peavy trade speculation, so he probably told Towers to keep any discussions private.

I remember an article maybe 2 weeks ago where Towers said that if Peavy was traded nobody would hear about it and it wouldn't be as public as it got at the winter meetings, It's probably somewhere in this thread but I didn't feel like going through 30+ pages trying to find it, I think it was from Yahoo. I find it hard to believe that we had to trade DeRosa and Marquis to get just Bradley and we either needed to find pitchers to replace what we would trade for Peavy or find other pitchers to throw into the deal.

 

Why is it hard to believe? Hendry can't add payroll until the ownership thing is worked out and he felt he couldn't afford to wait until then to add the guy he wanted (Bradley) so he had to dump DeRosa's salary.

[CP_414]

rotoworld:

 

Jake Peavy-S-Padres Jan. 1 - 9:42 am et

 

Asked Wednesday if the Cubs clearing payroll space by trading Mark DeRosa and Jason Marquis would re-open talks for Jake Peavy, Padres general manager Kevin Towers replied: "Doubtful."

Chicago has cleared about $8 million in payroll for this season, but it sounds like that money will be offered to Milton Bradley.

 

Hendry was upset with all of the "leaks" about the Peavy trade speculation, so he probably told Towers to keep any discussions private.

I remember an article maybe 2 weeks ago where Towers said that if Peavy was traded nobody would hear about it and it wouldn't be as public as it got at the winter meetings, It's probably somewhere in this thread but I didn't feel like going through 30+ pages trying to find it, I think it was from Yahoo. I find it hard to believe that we had to trade DeRosa and Marquis to get just Bradley and we either needed to find pitchers to replace what we would trade for Peavy or find other pitchers to throw into the deal.

 

Why is it hard to believe? Hendry can't add payroll until the ownership thing is worked out and he felt he couldn't afford to wait until then to add the guy he wanted (Bradley) so he had to dump DeRosa's salary.

 

For me it's hard to believe because when you factor in Miles the Cubs only saved about $3M for 2009 by trading DeRosa. If the payroll really is a$140-143M they could fit Bradley in after the Marquis deal. If they really just needed another $3M they could have moved Wuertz and/or Gaudin and trading a player like DeRosa is not what you would exoect a team with the Cubs aspirations to do. One of 2 things is happening here:

 

1. Hendry really doesn't see the downgrade from Derosa to Miles as being very significant because of lefthandedness.

2. Hendry needed prospects for a bigger deal.

 

I am really hoping it's #2, but I fear it's just #1.

[CubsInNC]

"the dead is done"

 

They made a few movies about the undone dead, you might wanna check those out. They sound up your alley.

 

Who are you, IMB in disguise?

 

It's well documented that I can't spell, and I type fast, so I am prone to misspelling words...Geez...

 

 

Good god, sorry to pee in your cheerios. Lighten up Francis. This offseason needs to end soon, before we kill each other.

[RedFlash]

"the dead is done"

 

They made a few movies about the undone dead, you might wanna check those out. They sound up your alley.

 

Who are you, IMB in disguise?

 

It's well documented that I can't spell, and I type fast, so I am prone to misspelling words...Geez...

 

 

Good god, sorry to pee in your cheerios. Lighten up Francis. This offseason needs to end soon, before we kill each other.

 

Oh good god, I'm sorry, that came out alot worse then I wanted it. I forget to add 8-). Again that came out as wrong as I intended. So I am sorry if you took it the wrong way.

[CubsInNC]

"the dead is done"

 

They made a few movies about the undone dead, you might wanna check those out. They sound up your alley.

 

Who are you, IMB in disguise?

 

It's well documented that I can't spell, and I type fast, so I am prone to misspelling words...Geez...

 

 

Good god, sorry to pee in your cheerios. Lighten up Francis. This offseason needs to end soon, before we kill each other.

 

Oh good god, I'm sorry, that came out alot worse then I wanted it. I forget to add 8-). Again that came out as wrong as I intended. So I am sorry if you took it the wrong way.

 

 

Sorry, calling someone IMB is pretty bad. :P

 

Bygones are bygones. I chalk up most of the hostility here to this wonderful offseason. That said, go get Peavy already, so the fans can feel like you accomplished something, milton bradley won't cut it. Even if I think it's not the smartest opportunity cost move.

[Fred Hornkohl]

"the dead is done"

 

They made a few movies about the undone dead, you might wanna check those out. They sound up your alley.

 

Who are you, IMB in disguise?

 

It's well documented that I can't spell, and I type fast, so I am prone to misspelling words...Geez...

 

You should give Firefox a try. It has a built in spell checker !! :wink:

[BDWeav71]

"the dead is done"

 

They made a few movies about the undone dead, you might wanna check those out. They sound up your alley.

 

Who are you, IMB in disguise?

 

It's well documented that I can't spell, and I type fast, so I am prone to misspelling words...Geez...

 

You should give Firefox a try. It has a built in spell checker !! :wink:

 

Last I checked, dead was spelled right. :wink:

[RedFlash]

"the dead is done"

 

They made a few movies about the undone dead, you might wanna check those out. They sound up your alley.

 

Who are you, IMB in disguise?

 

It's well documented that I can't spell, and I type fast, so I am prone to misspelling words...Geez...

 

You should give Firefox a try. It has a built in spell checker !! :wink:

 

:-k

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

rotoworld:

 

Jake Peavy-S-Padres Jan. 1 - 9:42 am et

 

Asked Wednesday if the Cubs clearing payroll space by trading Mark DeRosa and Jason Marquis would re-open talks for Jake Peavy, Padres general manager Kevin Towers replied: "Doubtful."

Chicago has cleared about $8 million in payroll for this season, but it sounds like that money will be offered to Milton Bradley.

 

I'm not buying that one bit. Bradley could have been aquired without moving Derosa. Let's not forget Derosa is a bargin at 4 million per season, I'm sure Bradley's contract could have been structured to accomodate the current budget. And why trade Derosa who isn't expesnive and very productive for prospects, especially when this team is in "win now" mode? It doesn't make sense unless future deals are in the pipeline.

 

My best guess is that Hendry walked away from Towers the first time because there was something he didn't want to give up. Towers basically pointed out his "wish list" for young ML pitching and Derosa was the best chip to use to get these prospects. I wouldn't be suprised if Hendry is trying to put a package together that doesn't include Vitters.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

I'm not buying that one bit. Bradley could have been aquired without moving Derosa. Let's not forget Derosa is a bargin at 4 million per season, I'm sure Bradley's contract could have been structured to accomodate the current budget. And why trade Derosa who isn't expesnive and very productive for prospects, especially when this team is in "win now" mode? It doesn't make sense unless future deals are in the pipeline.

 

My best guess is that Hendry walked away from Towers the first time because there was something he didn't want to give up. Towers basically pointed out his "wish list" for young ML pitching and Derosa was the best chip to use to get these prospects. I wouldn't be suprised if Hendry is trying to put a package together that doesn't include Vitters.

 

DeRosa was set to make a bit over $5m this year.

 

The team may be in win now, but the owner is bankrupt the economy is a mess, the market is way down and ownership is unsettled. Why is it so hard to imagine finances would be an issue?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

There seem to be several posters beginning to suspect the Cubs are maxed out on payroll, and I think I'm going to have to join them.

 

We heard reports of it earlier, but as usual, reports that no one wants to hear around here were roundly dismissed.

[Monco]

There seem to be several posters beginning to suspect the Cubs are maxed out on payroll, and I think I'm going to have to join them.

 

We heard reports of it earlier, but as usual, reports that no one wants to hear around here were roundly dismissed.

Escalating contracts are coming back to bite them

[dew1679666265]

There seem to be several posters beginning to suspect the Cubs are maxed out on payroll, and I think I'm going to have to join them.

 

We heard reports of it earlier, but as usual, reports that no one wants to hear around here were roundly dismissed.

 

For me, it was more that they had pursued Peavy and were rumored with Bradley, Dunn, Ibanez, etc. all offseason. It must have been a new revelation for Hendry that they were maxed out.