Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[Roast]

Woah, wait. I jsut got back from my girlfriends place and now the deal is dead?

 

What a veterans committee day.

 

Are you honestly surprised?

No, but at the same time I was hopeful that something would work out.

[MSG T]

Thing is, if Peavy really wants to just come here and nowhere else, who is stopping him from completely playing hardball. What loyalty does he have to the Padres in this? He knows they have to move him. He knows the team sucks. He can tell them to screw off and only move him here if he wants. He doesn't have to help them in getting a better package.

 

That's if Peavy really only wants to come here.

 

Wow this is a shallow way to look at things. Peavy has only had one GM and thats Towers. We dont know what kind of relationship he has with Towers. The way you are describing the situation its like saying if Wood wanted to go to the Yankees when he was a FA, do you honestly think Wood would've told Hendry screw this trade me to the yankees. Unlike some people, Peavy probably feels he owes it to the Padres to help them out a little. Just because Peavy doesn't speak up and say screw this trade me, doesn't me he wants to be a Cub. Its not a question about Loyalty, its a question about professionalism and respect.

 

No, that is not how things work in the real world. Peavy signed his extension with the impression the Padres would build a team that had a chance to contend every year. The Padres failed miserably with that. Then, they decided that Peavy needed to be traded to meet a restricted payroll.

 

Peavy owes nothing to the Padres organization and he should have zero reason to show professionalism or respect to the team that failed to meet their end of the bargain.

 

 

No that is not how things work in the real world, not all of us are a-holes. Kerry Wood, Zambrano, Dempster, Ramirez showed some kind of loyalty. And how in the world do you know what was promised to Peavy? How do you know PEavy signed with the Padres because the Padres gave him the impression they would build around him? Maybe he just signed with SD because he was brought up in there system and because he lived in the area. "He should have Zero Reason" Wow talk about jumping to conclusions. This isn't the Kobe Bryant Situation where Kobe came out and said what was promised .People like you are missing the point that peavy never asked for a trade, he signed a contract when the padres were an average team, he never requested a trade this summer when the padres are coming off a horrible year. If it was such an issue for peavy he would've stood up and said something but he didnt, dont assume and act like you were part of the negotiations.

 

Check again. The Padres were not an "average team" when he signed that extension. They finished 1st, 1st and then got beat out in a one game playoff for the wild card in their last 3 seasons prior to signing that extension.

 

If Peavy knew he was going to be the main part of a fire sale, I'm sure he wouldn't have signed the extension.

 

And what do you mean, "people like me"? I know an awful lot about Peavy, since I watch him pitch pretty regularly and listen to local sports radio. He's equal to Zambrano in fire and intensity. Peavy got duped by the Padres. He has zero reason to be loyal at this point. And I think he's already proven that he doesn't owe the Padres anything by limiting the amount of teams he's willing to be traded to, to basically just one.

 

Sorry, just had to fix it.

[David]

Not to mention the fact that the team is the one dead set on moving him. Not vice-versa. Peavy has no reason to cater to their needs when they're the ones who are turning things around on him. Peavy isn't demanding a trade. Ownership is demanding Peavy be traded. He should milk the situation in every way possible because he never came out and said that he wanted to leave in the first place.

[Outshined_One]

I would have loved to have Peavy on this team, but oh well. Sometimes, these things just don't work. The Cubs and Padres never were a good match in the first place in terms of what the Padres were looking for. I can't get upset about it since this deal has been rumored to be enormously complicated from the get-go. Trying to pull off a four team trade with this many players and this much money changing hands is enormously difficult.

 

There will be other opportunities down the road. If Peavy's available at the trade deadline, the Cubs should have a larger and better pool of players to make a trade from thanks to some pretty good pitching they picked up in this year's draft. If not, there will be room for a FA splash.

[jersey cubs fan]

The Cubs and Padres never were a good match in the first place in terms of what the Padres were looking for.

 

Except it became pretty clear that they matched up perfectly fine for what SD wanted.

[haubrich91]

The Cubs and Padres never were a good match in the first place in terms of what the Padres were looking for.

 

Except it became pretty clear that they matched up perfectly fine for what SD wanted.

 

He probably means pitching wise.

[17 Seconds]

And Jim Hendry continues his quest for worst offseason of all time. Good thing we decline signing Wood so we could save money for Peavy.

 

Next steps: sign Raul Ibanez to a multi-year deal, then get Cubs fans hopes up on acquring a player who is actually good...only to let them down again

[Outshined_One]

The Cubs and Padres never were a good match in the first place in terms of what the Padres were looking for.

 

Except it became pretty clear that they matched up perfectly fine for what SD wanted.

 

If that was the case, there never would have been third and fourth teams dragged into the discussions. I understand Hendry has a budget to meet and everything, but my read on that was that Hendry was trying to get other teams to chip in prospects/players so that Hendry wouldn't have to trade six prospects or something insane like that.

[C.C.]

And Jim Hendry continues his quest for worst offseason of all time. Good thing we decline signing Wood so we could save money for Peavy.

 

Next steps: sign Raul Ibanez to a multi-year deal, then get Cubs fans hopes up on acquring a player who is actually good...only to let them down again

 

 

There's plenty of time to make moves.

[RyneDawson]

So say the deal was the Cubs giving up Vitters, DeRosa, Pie, Hart, and Marquis (while eating 5 million), you guys wouldn't do that to get Peavy??? This deal would basically even out in terms of money. And we're rumored to have about 10-15 million to spend. So we'd still be able to get Bradley. So by not doing this trade our team is going to be something like this: Assuming we get Bradley either way.

 

1) Soriano LF

2) Bradley RF

3) Lee 1B

4) Aramis 3B

5) Soto C

6) DeRosa 2B

7) Fukudome CF

8) Theriot SS

Zambrano, Dempster, Harden, Lilly, Marquis

 

Instead of (which will cost the same amount of money):

 

1) Soriano LF

2) Bradley RF

3) Lee 1B

4) Aramis 3B

5) Soto C

6) Fontenot 2B

7) Theriot SS

8) Fukudome CF

Peavy, Zambrano, Dempster, Harden, Lilly

 

So basically it is Fontenot and Peavy or DeRosa and Marquis. I choose Peavy.

If that of course was the deal on the table....

Oh yeah, and we lose Vitters, Pie, and Hart.... Vitters of course being the only one who might turn out to be good.

[sneakypower]

girlfriend.

[cubswin2009]

Yay another first round exit!

[BigSlick]

So say the deal was the Cubs giving up Vitters, DeRosa, Pie, Hart, and Marquis (while eating 5 million), you guys wouldn't do that to get Peavy??? This deal would basically even out in terms of money. And we're rumored to have about 10-15 million to spend. So we'd still be able to get Bradley. So by not doing this trade our team is going to be something like this: Assuming we get Bradley either way.

 

1) Soriano LF

2) Bradley RF

3) Lee 1B

4) Aramis 3B

5) Soto C

6) DeRosa 2B

7) Fukudome CF

8) Theriot SS

Zambrano, Dempster, Harden, Lilly, Marquis

 

Instead of (which will cost the same amount of money):

 

1) Soriano LF

2) Bradley RF

3) Lee 1B

4) Aramis 3B

5) Soto C

6) Fontenot 2B

7) Theriot SS

8) Fukudome CF

Peavy, Zambrano, Dempster, Harden, Lilly

 

So basically it is Fontenot and Peavy or DeRosa and Marquis. I choose Peavy.

If that of course was the deal on the table....

Oh yeah, and we lose Vitters, Pie, and Hart.... Vitters of course being the only one who might turn out to be good.

Why are we assuming we get Milton Bradley, I'd say the chances we get him at all are incredibly low. From what I've heard he's only suitable for DH because he can't play the field anymore.

 

Our lineup without DeRosa is not very impressive, especially with some of our older guys tacking another year on. I don't see the gigantic need to add another starter at that cost.

[davearm2]

I would have loved to have Peavy on this team, but oh well. Sometimes, these things just don't work. The Cubs and Padres never were a good match in the first place in terms of what the Padres were looking for. I can't get upset about it since this deal has been rumored to be enormously complicated from the get-go. Trying to pull off a four team trade with this many players and this much money changing hands is enormously difficult.

 

There will be other opportunities down the road. If Peavy's available at the trade deadline, the Cubs should have a larger and better pool of players to make a trade from thanks to some pretty good pitching they picked up in this year's draft. If not, there will be room for a FA splash.

The complexity of the deal isn't what killed it. Third and fourth teams were identified, and many sources indicated they were onboard.

 

As I see it, Hendry and Towers just never got on the same page in terms of the talent changing hands. It seems Towers wants 6 or 7 guys and the Cubs want to give 4 (which could become 5; DeRosa = 2 Phils).

[17 Seconds]

Seriously though, I can't believe I'm the only one who isn't sold on the rotation as is. What happens if Harden goes down (and he will) and Dempster goes back to the way he's pitched his entire career? Suddenly that rotation looks pretty awful, and those 2 things are not unlikely to happen.

[soonercub]

There are 2 months left before pitchers report. Towers is aiming for the sky. The Braves put together a nice package and he wanted more from them too. As it gets closer to reporting time, his demands will lower.

 

Basically Towers has been told by 2 GM's to go screw himself and check back when you want to be more reasonable.

 

I getting concerned that we aren't hearing a whole lot about a left handed bat.

[BigbadB]

So say the deal was the Cubs giving up Vitters, DeRosa, Pie, Hart, and Marquis (while eating 5 million), you guys wouldn't do that to get Peavy???

 

The last rumor before the deal died was that Towers wanted 8 players for Peavy. DeRosa probably would have netted 2 from the Phillies or Twins, and Towers STILL wanted Marshall added in. That equals 8 players.

 

I'm sorry, but Towers can't have 8 players. Period.

 

It's one thing to overvalue your own prospects, but it's another to ignore the value of your prospects. Hendry played it smart. And he'll probably still be in on Peavy once Towers realizes Hendry is serious about not trading 7 or even 8 players for Peavy.

[davearm2]

Why are we assuming we get Milton Bradley, I'd say the chances we get him at all are incredibly low. From what I've heard he's only suitable for DH because he can't play the field anymore.

It seems abundantly clear that the Cubs wouldn't be this far down the road with Bradley if the above were true.

[CubColtPacer]

Seriously though, I can't believe I'm the only one who isn't sold on the rotation as is. What happens if Harden goes down (and he will) and Dempster goes back to the way he's pitched his entire career? Suddenly that rotation looks pretty awful, and those 2 things are not unlikely to happen.

 

If those two things happen (with Marshall sliding in for Harden for over 1/2 the season and Dempster pitching just as an average starter) the rotation would still be well above average.

[RyneDawson]

DeRosa did great at the middle to end of last season. But he wasn't that great at the beginning or the previous season. I think Fontenot can slip right in and we wouldn't even notice a big of a difference. But in the case of the roation. I think peavy over Marquis is a pretty big difference. You're basically adding another #1 while subtracting a #5. I hope this Marquis to the Mets stuff is true. Then we can go back to the Peavy stuff.

[ChiCubsFan]

So say the deal was the Cubs giving up Vitters, DeRosa, Pie, Hart, and Marquis (while eating 5 million), you guys wouldn't do that to get Peavy??? This deal would basically even out in terms of money. And we're rumored to have about 10-15 million to spend. So we'd still be able to get Bradley. So by not doing this trade our team is going to be something like this: Assuming we get Bradley either way.

 

1) Soriano LF

2) Bradley RF

3) Lee 1B

4) Aramis 3B

5) Soto C

6) DeRosa 2B

7) Fukudome CF

8) Theriot SS

Zambrano, Dempster, Harden, Lilly, Marquis

 

Instead of (which will cost the same amount of money):

 

1) Soriano LF

2) Bradley RF

3) Lee 1B

4) Aramis 3B

5) Soto C

6) Fontenot 2B

7) Theriot SS

8) Fukudome CF

Peavy, Zambrano, Dempster, Harden, Lilly

 

So basically it is Fontenot and Peavy or DeRosa and Marquis. I choose Peavy.

If that of course was the deal on the table....

Oh yeah, and we lose Vitters, Pie, and Hart.... Vitters of course being the only one who might turn out to be good.

 

or if we do the trade there's a good chance we look something like:

1) Soriano LF

2) Theriot SS

3) Lee 1B

4) Aramis 3B

5) Soto C

6) Fontenot 2B

7) Fukudome RF

8) Johnson CF

 

Depth is good to have, especially when you have Ramirez, Soriano, and Bradley on your team.

[BigbadB]

Seriously though, I can't believe I'm the only one who isn't sold on the rotation as is. What happens if Harden goes down (and he will) and Dempster goes back to the way he's pitched his entire career? Suddenly that rotation looks pretty awful, and those 2 things are not unlikely to happen.

 

No one would rather have Randy Johnson than Jake Peavy. But a rotation of Zambrano, Harden, Lilly, Dempster, Johnson with Marshall as the 6th starter looks pretty good to me.

[davearm2]

Seriously though, I can't believe I'm the only one who isn't sold on the rotation as is. What happens if Harden goes down (and he will) and Dempster goes back to the way he's pitched his entire career? Suddenly that rotation looks pretty awful, and those 2 things are not unlikely to happen.

You may have missed my question yesterday when I asked if Churchill had provided you with specifics regarding player combinations asked for and offered.

 

Anything you can share on that?

[17 Seconds]

Seriously though, I can't believe I'm the only one who isn't sold on the rotation as is. What happens if Harden goes down (and he will) and Dempster goes back to the way he's pitched his entire career? Suddenly that rotation looks pretty awful, and those 2 things are not unlikely to happen.

You may have missed my question yesterday when I asked if Churchill had provided you with specifics regarding player combinations asked for and offered.

 

Anything you can share on that?

 

He never said anything about that

[Ryno is God 23]

I think Hendry is seeing what he can get for DeRo to maybe snag Hermida or at least that is my hope.