College Football - Week of 11/22

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BCS Selection Procedures

 

4. Notre Dame will have an automatic berth if it is in the top eight of the final BCS Standings.

 

:banghead:

 

I never understood what the big deal about this was.

 

1) If a team is in the top 8, they should be in a BCS bowl, considering there are 10 teams who make BCS bowls.

2) Notre Dame actually has a tougher road to automatic qualification than the minor conferences.

3) While Notre Dame cannot be excluded in the top 8 like other major conference non-champions, Notre Dame cannot sneak in during a bad conference year ranked 19th or 23nd like the likely Big East and ACC winners are right now. If Notre Dame joined the Big East right now, would their appearance in BCS bowls be more or less frequent using the conference rules to get in? Probably more.

4) Even if Notre Dame didn't automatically qualify, the bowls aren't going to pass them over anyway. That's the one time that it potentially could be a problem, although it hasn't really happened yet that a deserving eligible team got passed over for ND (at least according to my recollection)

 

So conference teams will sometimes get left out if they have a great season, but will sometimes get in if they only have a good season. Notre Dame has to have a great season to get in, but they will always get in if they have a great season. There's advantages and disadvantages both ways.

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Pretty sure somebody already talked about this, but there's a chance Mizzou could win the Big 12 championship and still not play in a BCS bowl. I'm not sure how exactly it would go down, but let's say two Big 12 Teams end up ranking 1 and 2 in the final BCS poll, then even if Mizzou won the Big 12 title game, they'd be screwed again out of a BCS Bowl. Chances are low that Mizzou would win the Championship game, but that would be soooooo typical for Mizzou if this scenario did happen.

 

Kind of disagree with this simply because of how much the North sucks. It won't happen anyways unless Texas Tech runs the table then loses the Big XII Title. Plus Florida would need to lose again, then beat Alabama in the SEC Champ Game.

 

Well, I'm certainly not disagreeing with that. And it's highly doubtful to happen. But it would suck major ass if Mizzou finally won the conference championship but because of the strength of the Big 12 got left out of a BCS game.

 

In any BCS selection rules I've read, the 3 teams rule doesn't come into play until after the title game and conference champions are both put in. I would be surprised if that would leave Missouri out in the cold (and if it did, that rule would immediately be changed to make sure it never happened again). But I really think that would be the one and only way for 3 teams to make it from one conference.

[stuy119]

Ok, I think I understand. I'm just working off memory here, it's top 16 teams that are eligible correct? So the top 16 would have to be made up of USC, PSU, ACC Champ, BE champ, SEC teams, Big XII teams, and non-BCS schools correct?

All big-conference champs get in regardless of rank. At-large teams have to be in the top 12 (or in the top 14 if any big-conference champs are outside the top 14).

 

THere's a pretty good shot that either the Big East or ACC (or both) will fall outside of the Top 14, so BSU could get in there.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Pretty sure somebody already talked about this, but there's a chance Mizzou could win the Big 12 championship and still not play in a BCS bowl. I'm not sure how exactly it would go down, but let's say two Big 12 Teams end up ranking 1 and 2 in the final BCS poll, then even if Mizzou won the Big 12 title game, they'd be screwed again out of a BCS Bowl. Chances are low that Mizzou would win the Championship game, but that would be soooooo typical for Mizzou if this scenario did happen.

 

Kind of disagree with this simply because of how much the North sucks. It won't happen anyways unless Texas Tech runs the table then loses the Big XII Title. Plus Florida would need to lose again, then beat Alabama in the SEC Champ Game.

 

Even if that happened, you'd have 3 1-loss teams without a conference title(Bama, TT, Texas), a conference champ with 2 losses(Florida), and a couple conference champs with 1 loss(Penn State, USC). The odds of the two Big 12 teams out of those 7 being 1-2(especially with Tech losing their most recent game) is essentially zero. You'd need an absolute mayhem situation, with USC, Penn State, Bama, and Florida all losing before the SEC title game, then Florida winning the SEC title along with Tech getting their first loss in the B12 title game. Then Tech and Texas are the only power conference schools with only 1 loss, and even then I wonder if the polls would have Mizzou in front of Tech by that point given the madness that would allow Mizzou to move up in the preceding 2 weeks.

[Jon]

Big Ten bowl selection rules are amazing. Each week, it seems like something new is discovered on the parchment.

 

Last week, Adam Rittenberg found out that if two Big Ten teams go to BCS bowls, then both the Outback and the Alamo bowls no longer have restrictions on teams they can select as long as the team(s) passed over still gets in to a contracted bowl. The Motor City and Insight already have no restrictions, meaning that the Champs Bowl would be the only one that couldn't select a team with more than one additional loss over another.

 

Pretty soon ducks will be required to wear long pants.

[SouthSideRyan]

Big Ten bowl selection rules are amazing. Each week, it seems like something new is discovered on the parchment.

 

Last week, Adam Rittenberg found out that if two Big Ten teams go to BCS bowls, then both the Outback and the Alamo bowls no longer have restrictions on teams they can select as long as the team(s) passed over still gets in to a contracted bowl. The Motor City and Insight already have no restrictions, meaning that the Champs Bowl would be the only one that couldn't select a team with more than one additional loss over another.

 

Pretty soon ducks will be required to wear long pants.

 

So I might not have to go to Detroit if we beat you Saturday??

[Guest]

Pretty sure somebody already talked about this, but there's a chance Mizzou could win the Big 12 championship and still not play in a BCS bowl. I'm not sure how exactly it would go down, but let's say two Big 12 Teams end up ranking 1 and 2 in the final BCS poll, then even if Mizzou won the Big 12 title game, they'd be screwed again out of a BCS Bowl. Chances are low that Mizzou would win the Championship game, but that would be soooooo typical for Mizzou if this scenario did happen.

 

Kind of disagree with this simply because of how much the North sucks. It won't happen anyways unless Texas Tech runs the table then loses the Big XII Title. Plus Florida would need to lose again, then beat Alabama in the SEC Champ Game.

 

Well, I'm certainly not disagreeing with that. And it's highly doubtful to happen. But it would suck major ass if Mizzou finally won the conference championship but because of the strength of the Big 12 got left out of a BCS game.

 

From what I can tell on the Selection Procedures link I posted earlier, Mizzou would be safe and would be in a BCS game.

 

No more than two teams from a conference may be selected, regardless of whether they are automatic qualifiers or at-large selections, unless two non-champions from the same conference are ranked No. 1 and No. 2 in the final BCS Standings.

 

And I just found this article from the LA Times saying the same thing. It would be another at-large team like USC if Oregon State doesn't lose or the Florida/Alabama loser.

[Andy]

Yeah, headbanging over ND having an auto-bid in the top 8 is kind of insane. If ND's in the top 8, that means they won probably at least 10 games against a schedule that is usually (not this year, but usually) better than the average big-conference school's.

 

And Stuy, we will certainly be eligible to be picked if we win out. The problem is that many more deserving and attractive teams will also be eligible.

[Andy]

Does no one get that conference champions get an automatic bid no matter what their rank, SOS, or anything else? Mizzou wins the Big 12 title game, they are in the Fiesta Bowl. Done. Not negotiable. I've heard innumerable people the last few weeks talk about how a big-conference champion could get left out if they fall below a certain rank. It doesn't happen. I don't know where people got this idea.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Does no one get that conference champions get an automatic bid no matter what their rank, SOS, or anything else? Mizzou wins the Big 12 title game, they are in the Fiesta Bowl. Done. Not negotiable. I've heard innumerable people the last few weeks talk about how a big-conference champion could get left out if they fall below a certain rank. It doesn't happen. I don't know where people got this idea.

 

Read Soccer's last post. It's possible if two non-winners from the same conference are 1-2. Less than 1% chance of it happening in the Big 12 this year like I said before, but possible nonetheless.

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Does no one get that conference champions get an automatic bid no matter what their rank, SOS, or anything else? Mizzou wins the Big 12 title game, they are in the Fiesta Bowl. Done. Not negotiable. I've heard innumerable people the last few weeks talk about how a big-conference champion could get left out if they fall below a certain rank. It doesn't happen. I don't know where people got this idea.

 

I believe he was saying was if Texas/OU/Texas Tech played each other in the National Championship Game against each other that Mizzou being the 3rd Big 12 team would be left out as 3 teams are not allowed in, and the two teams in the NC Game take precident.

[Andy]

Does no one get that conference champions get an automatic bid no matter what their rank, SOS, or anything else? Mizzou wins the Big 12 title game, they are in the Fiesta Bowl. Done. Not negotiable. I've heard innumerable people the last few weeks talk about how a big-conference champion could get left out if they fall below a certain rank. It doesn't happen. I don't know where people got this idea.

 

I believe he was saying was if Texas/OU/Texas Tech played each other in the National Championship Game against each other that Mizzou being the 3rd Big 12 team would be left out as 3 teams are not allowed in, and the two teams in the NC Game take precident.

Oh, gotcha. Misread. But that would require one or both of Florida and Alabama losing to a vastly inferior team prior to the SEC title game. I'm not betting on it.

[Guest]

Does no one get that conference champions get an automatic bid no matter what their rank, SOS, or anything else? Mizzou wins the Big 12 title game, they are in the Fiesta Bowl. Done. Not negotiable. I've heard innumerable people the last few weeks talk about how a big-conference champion could get left out if they fall below a certain rank. It doesn't happen. I don't know where people got this idea.

 

Read Soccer's last post. It's possible if two non-winners from the same conference are 1-2. Less than 1% chance of it happening in the Big 12 this year like I said before, but possible nonetheless.

 

No more than two teams from a conference may be selected, regardless of whether they are automatic qualifiers or at-large selections, unless two non-champions from the same conference are ranked No. 1 and No. 2 in the final BCS Standings.

 

Andy's right. Three teams from a single conference CAN earn BCS berths in a single season if two non-winners are 1-2. If Missouri wins the Big 12 title game, they're in the BCS regardless.

[Jon]

Big Ten bowl selection rules are amazing. Each week, it seems like something new is discovered on the parchment.

 

Last week, Adam Rittenberg found out that if two Big Ten teams go to BCS bowls, then both the Outback and the Alamo bowls no longer have restrictions on teams they can select as long as the team(s) passed over still gets in to a contracted bowl. The Motor City and Insight already have no restrictions, meaning that the Champs Bowl would be the only one that couldn't select a team with more than one additional loss over another.

 

Pretty soon ducks will be required to wear long pants.

 

So I might not have to go to Detroit if we beat you Saturday??

Perhaps in theory, but the Motor City Bowl was taken off our list of consideration early this week. And apparently Wisconsin is currently pushing hard for the Insight.

[Mephistopheles]

Georgia Tech just rolled up 470 yards of rushing on Miami, if you weren't watching. 56 rushes for 470 yards. Five weeks ago Georgia Tech rolled up 79 yards rushing on Gardner-Webb on 47 rushes. Go figure. Lovely triple option.

 

Maybe Nebraska needs to go back to it....

[bcl412]

Georgia Tech just rolled up 470 yards of rushing on Miami, if you weren't watching. 56 rushes for 470 yards. Five weeks ago Georgia Tech rolled up 79 yards rushing on Gardner-Webb on 47 rushes. Go figure. Lovely triple option.

 

Maybe Nebraska needs to go back to it....

 

Everyone should run the triple option for my personal entertainment.

[Mephistopheles]

theres nothing more fun than running the option in NCAA Football 2009

[manbearcub]

theres nothing more fun than running the option in NCAA Football 2009

especially with a fatass QB who takes one step every two seconds.

[SouthSideRyan]

theres nothing more fun than running the option in NCAA Football 2009

 

Any NCAA Football game.

[Derwood]

if you recruit a really fast QB, switch to the Florida playbook. There are about 12 shotgun formations and 80% of the playbook are option and/or PA plays. it's great fun.

[Mephistopheles]

Man I haven't fired up my dynasty in NCAA 2009 in a few months. I'm going to do that right now, I have sick fast guys all about:

 

QB's:

Freddie Weaver: 82 OVR, 89 SPD, 93 THP, 78 THA - True Fr

Jason Johnson: 81 OVR, 94 SPD, 80 THP, 76 THA - RS Fr

Kevin Inman: 77 OVR, 85 SPD, 91 THP, 84 THA - Rs Fr

 

Weaver was a QB when I got him. Jason Johnson fell into my lap. He was a three star athlete who had nothing mentioned about his arm and accuracy. Still, with that speed? Damn. Those are all the QBs on my roster.

 

HB's

Mark Ward: 85 OVR, 95 SPD - RS Fr

Lee Johnson: 83 OVR, 95 SPD - Fr

Jason Battle: 82 OVR, 95 SPD - RS Fr

 

I have one other crappy back, a freshman who is like 85 SPD and 75 overall.

 

WR's

Joey Oliver: 88 OVR, 94 SPD - Fr

Chase Powers: 83 OVR, 95 SPD - Fr

Evan Meadows: 82 OVR, 95 SPD - Fr

Erik Todd: 81 OVR, 98 SPD - Rs Fr

Brian Wilson: 78 OVR, 92 SPD - Fr

Eric Sanders: 77 OVR, 99 SPD - Fr

 

That's all of my WRs. I cut the rest of them in order to be able to make pitches to get good ones for PT. I am SMU, I sucked the first couple of years. I play on Heisman with some additional sliders. Sanders though, true fresh with 99 SPD...but he's listed as 6'5". C'mon

 

I have three DE's with speed over 80. I have an 87 speed OLB. I have CBs with speed: 98, 97, 96 and 94. I have a FS with speed 94. In my next recruiting class, speed is the name of the game again. I have a CB commit with A+ spd, B ovt #5 nationally. I suspect he's going to be a beast. I have a DE commit with B+ speed, #21 overall. He is the fastest DE I have recruited. I also have a FS B OVR with A SPD.

 

Really I only recruit speed. I am a Urban Meyer guy, I guess. SMU Mustangs bitches. I have the difficulty up ridiculously though. Its a bitch completing passes consistently with my QBs. They have poor accuracy and throw a bazillion picks. While Jason Johnson is a 94 SPD, his low arm strength and low accuracy means he can't complete passes over 10 yards worth crap on heisman.. Weaver can get the ball down field, but not very accurately.

 

On Heisman trying to throw the ball down field makes you respect your QBs THA stat. Not so much on lower difficulties. I am almost done with the season, Inman has a 2:0 TD:INT, 29:15 for Weaver and 8:8 for Johnson. Though, my WRs have so much speed, they get gobs of yards after the catch. In a few years though, my offense is going to be a beast.

[Mephistopheles]

lol I have a conference game at Mizzou.

 

its 25 degrees and snowing.

[hawkeyecub]

Georgia Tech became my 2nd favorite team the day they hired Paul Johnson.

[Guest]

Georgia Tech became my 2nd favorite team the day they hired Paul Johnson.

 

Yeah, I really wanted him for the UCLA job.

[Mephistopheles]

Meph Challenge Week 4

#5 Oklahoma 49-28 over #2 Texas Tech

#3 Florida 49-3 over The Citadel

#7 Penn State 45-17 over #17 Michigan State

#8 Utah 24-21 over #16 BYU

#9 Boise State 35-17 over Nevada

#10 Ohio State 28-13 over Michigan

#15 TCU 17-14 over Air Force

#18 LSU 21-20 over Ole Miss

#20 Pittsburgh 30-23 over #19 Cincinatti

Arizona 21-17 over #21 Oregon State

Florida State 28-27 #22 Maryland

#25 North Carolina 28-21 over NC State

#1 Washington 24-21 over #2 Washington State

Edited November 22, 2008 by Mephistopheles