College Football - Week of 11/22

[UMFan83]

So is there no shot for Ball State to get a BCS Bowl?

 

I think that any team that goes undefeated should be guaranteed a BCS Bowl.

 

This is stupid, a few years ago I thought that if there an undefeated team out there, they should be guaranteed to play in the National Title Game, unless there are already 2 undefeated teams from major conferences, but I gave up on that...now all I want is a big time bowl game for them.

 

 

I found a good proposal for a college football playoff.

 

8 team playoff. Participants are: 6 major conference champions, and then 2 wild cards from 2 other smaller conference champs (determined by BCS standings).

 

I thought this was perfect because:

A) it rewards conference champs

B) there is no argument about at large teams that deserve to get in. If you win your conference you have a shot.

[Andy]

The exact margin was pretty pointless, but a very underwhelming Ball State team played a close game against a very good Illinois team at their place last year, and now BSU is better and Illinois is worse than 10/27/07. That's all I meant.

 

That said, I think your assessment of our chances in those three hypothetical matchups is fair. Even if we were to be lucky enough to go face a Florida State or Maryland in the Orange and got creamed, it'd be great for the school to get that BCS paycheck. Unfortunately that's not gonna happen.

[Andy]

So is there no shot for Ball State to get a BCS Bowl?

Essentially no. Utah over BYU, Nevada over Boise, and your boys at UM must all win this weekend for there to be one.

[SouthSideRyan]

So is there no shot for Ball State to get a BCS Bowl?

Essentially no. Utah over BYU, Nevada over Boise, and your boys at UM must all win this weekend for there to be one.

 

Without looking at the standings, wouldn't BYU jump you with the win?

[Flames24Rulz]

So is there no shot for Ball State to get a BCS Bowl?

Essentially no. Utah over BYU, Nevada over Boise, and your boys at UM must all win this weekend for there to be one.

 

Without looking at the standings, wouldn't BYU jump you with the win?

 

Ball St. needs BYU to lose so they'd jump ahead of BYU.

[Derwood]

So is there no shot for Ball State to get a BCS Bowl?

Essentially no. Utah over BYU, Nevada over Boise, and your boys at UM must all win this weekend for there to be one.

 

Without looking at the standings, wouldn't BYU jump you with the win?

 

Ball St. needs BYU to lose so they'd jump ahead of BYU.

 

but I can't see the BCS taking two non-BCS schools

[SouthSideRyan]

So is there no shot for Ball State to get a BCS Bowl?

Essentially no. Utah over BYU, Nevada over Boise, and your boys at UM must all win this weekend for there to be one.

 

Without looking at the standings, wouldn't BYU jump you with the win?

 

Ball St. needs BYU to lose so they'd jump ahead of BYU.

 

Ok, without looking at the standings, isn't Utah pretty clearly ahead of Ball State already? Isn't there only a 1 team requirement for non-BCS schools?

[Andy]

So is there no shot for Ball State to get a BCS Bowl?

Essentially no. Utah over BYU, Nevada over Boise, and your boys at UM must all win this weekend for there to be one.

 

Without looking at the standings, wouldn't BYU jump you with the win?

 

Ball St. needs BYU to lose so they'd jump ahead of BYU.

Yeah. Our only chance is for BYU and Boise to fall behind us (I think a loss would do the trick in both cases), with Ohio State losing to UM to eliminate any further eligible teams from a big conference. I think three wins over teams with winning records to end the year would be enough to push us past TCU without them losing. In that scenario, we'd be the 2nd best 'outsider', and no one else would be eligible to be picked when the Orange's final selection came up besides us.

 

But as I mentioned, that's way long odds.

[Derwood]

btw, this year points to how stupid the "2 team per conference" limit is. Clearly 3 teams from the Big XII deserve to be considered above a lot of other teams.

[Andy]

So is there no shot for Ball State to get a BCS Bowl?

Essentially no. Utah over BYU, Nevada over Boise, and your boys at UM must all win this weekend for there to be one.

 

Without looking at the standings, wouldn't BYU jump you with the win?

 

Ball St. needs BYU to lose so they'd jump ahead of BYU.

 

but I can't see the BCS taking two non-BCS schools

If Ohio State lost to Michigan, they wouldn't have a choice. No one would be eligible from the Big Ten, Pac-10, Big East or ACC.

 

(This also assumes PSU wins Saturday and Oregon State loses again to keep USC from the at-large pool)

[Derwood]

So is there no shot for Ball State to get a BCS Bowl?

Essentially no. Utah over BYU, Nevada over Boise, and your boys at UM must all win this weekend for there to be one.

 

Without looking at the standings, wouldn't BYU jump you with the win?

 

Ball St. needs BYU to lose so they'd jump ahead of BYU.

 

but I can't see the BCS taking two non-BCS schools

If Ohio State lost to Michigan, they wouldn't have a choice. No one would be eligible from the Big Ten, Pac-10, Big East or ACC.

 

(This also assumes PSU wins Saturday and Oregon State loses again to keep USC from the at-large pool)

 

a lot of assumptions since Oregon St. has 2 winnable games left and OSU is favored by 3 touchdowns

[SouthSideRyan]

Ok, I think I understand. I'm just working off memory here, it's top 16 teams that are eligible correct? So the top 16 would have to be made up of USC, PSU, ACC Champ, BE champ, SEC teams, Big XII teams, and non-BCS schools correct?

[Andy]

So is there no shot for Ball State to get a BCS Bowl?

Essentially no. Utah over BYU, Nevada over Boise, and your boys at UM must all win this weekend for there to be one.

 

Without looking at the standings, wouldn't BYU jump you with the win?

 

Ball St. needs BYU to lose so they'd jump ahead of BYU.

 

but I can't see the BCS taking two non-BCS schools

If Ohio State lost to Michigan, they wouldn't have a choice. No one would be eligible from the Big Ten, Pac-10, Big East or ACC.

 

(This also assumes PSU wins Saturday and Oregon State loses again to keep USC from the at-large pool)

 

a lot of assumptions since Oregon St. has 2 winnable games left and OSU is favored by 3 touchdowns

I think Oregon State will lose one of their last two. Obviously OSU losing is a big leap. I'm just stating what needs to happen for BSU to get in.

[Derwood]

Ok, I think I understand. I'm just working off memory here, it's top 16 teams that are eligible correct? So the top 16 would have to be made up of USC, PSU, ACC Champ, BE champ, SEC teams, Big XII teams, and non-BCS schools correct?

 

you have 10 slots. 6 BCS conference champs are locks, so there are 4 at-large bids. One must be a non-BCS (if they are eligible), and the others are likely the SEC championship loser, the Big XII championship loser, and either USC or OSU.

 

because of this, we may end up with some crazy non-BCS game like Oklahoma vs. USC or something

Edited November 20, 2008 by Derwood

[Andy]

Ok, I think I understand. I'm just working off memory here, it's top 16 teams that are eligible correct? So the top 16 would have to be made up of USC, PSU, ACC Champ, BE champ, SEC teams, Big XII teams, and non-BCS schools correct?

All big-conference champs get in regardless of rank. At-large teams have to be in the top 12 (or in the top 14 if any big-conference champs are outside the top 14).

[SouthSideRyan]

Ok, I think I understand. I'm just working off memory here, it's top 16 teams that are eligible correct? So the top 16 would have to be made up of USC, PSU, ACC Champ, BE champ, SEC teams, Big XII teams, and non-BCS schools correct?

All big-conference champs get in regardless of rank. At-large teams have to be in the top 12 (or in the top 14 if any big-conference champs are outside the top 14).

 

Well yeah, it's just easier for you if the BCS champs are in the top 12(don't know where I got 16 from) to take up spots that could otherwise go to an at-large team.

[NCCubFan]

wait...were ball state fans on the field?

Not sure, but I think this win clinched the MAC conference championship for Ball State. So it's a little bit of a big deal.

They haven't clinched yet. They still need to beat Western Michigan next week to win the MAC West outright. If they lose and Central Michigan wins their game next week Ball State, Central Michigan, and Western Michigan will all be tied with one conference loss. And since they's all be 1-1 against each other I'm not sure how the tie would be broken.

 

Here you go:

http://www.mac-sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=9400&KEY=&ATCLID=1148024

 

Looks like it'll be Central Michigan in the title game. You go all the way to the 4th tiebreaker to determine that.

So to try to translate that wording into English, it looks like the deciding factor is which team's opponents from the opposite division had a better record, and CMU would win solely because the schedule-makers had them playing the first-place team in the East (Buffalo) but Ball State didn't play them.

 

Hopefully Ball State makes it a moot point by winning next week.

[Andy]

wait...were ball state fans on the field?

Not sure, but I think this win clinched the MAC conference championship for Ball State. So it's a little bit of a big deal.

They haven't clinched yet. They still need to beat Western Michigan next week to win the MAC West outright. If they lose and Central Michigan wins their game next week Ball State, Central Michigan, and Western Michigan will all be tied with one conference loss. And since they's all be 1-1 against each other I'm not sure how the tie would be broken.

 

Here you go:

http://www.mac-sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=9400&KEY=&ATCLID=1148024

 

Looks like it'll be Central Michigan in the title game. You go all the way to the 4th tiebreaker to determine that.

So to try to translate that wording into English, it looks like the deciding factor is which team's opponents from the opposite division had a better record, and CMU would win solely because the schedule-makers had them playing the first-place team in the East (Buffalo) but Ball State didn't play them.

 

Hopefully Ball State makes it a moot point by winning next week.

The most surprising part of that is that playing Buffalo could actually positively impact one's SOS.

 

Western Michigan is a pretty good team, but they don't have the same scary threats as CMU does. Add that to home field, and I think BSU gets it done next week, obliterates Buffalo in the MAC title game and let the chips fall where they may from there.

[NCCubFan]

Western Michigan is a pretty good team, but they don't have the same scary threats as CMU does. Add that to home field, and I think BSU gets it done next week, obliterates Buffalo in the MAC title game and let the chips fall where they may from there.

And I'd be happy with that. They will have done all that's in their control; they can't control what Utah, BYU, Boise State, etc. do. They'd probably have a better chance finishing undefeated and maybe squeaking out a top 10 final ranking by playing a Big 11 also-ran in the Motor City Bowl.

[Guest]

BCS Selection Procedures

[manbearcub]

btw, this year points to how stupid the "2 team per conference" limit is. Clearly 3 teams from the Big XII deserve to be considered above a lot of other teams.

They need a provision that says if there are 3 teams from one conference in the top 5 or 6 they are eligible.

[Derwood]

BCS Selection Procedures

 

4. Notre Dame will have an automatic berth if it is in the top eight of the final BCS Standings.

 

:banghead:

[da bears]

Pretty sure somebody already talked about this, but there's a chance Mizzou could win the Big 12 championship and still not play in a BCS bowl. I'm not sure how exactly it would go down, but let's say two Big 12 Teams end up ranking 1 and 2 in the final BCS poll, then even if Mizzou won the Big 12 title game, they'd be screwed again out of a BCS Bowl. Chances are low that Mizzou would win the Championship game, but that would be soooooo typical for Mizzou if this scenario did happen.

[shnsajax]

Pretty sure somebody already talked about this, but there's a chance Mizzou could win the Big 12 championship and still not play in a BCS bowl. I'm not sure how exactly it would go down, but let's say two Big 12 Teams end up ranking 1 and 2 in the final BCS poll, then even if Mizzou won the Big 12 title game, they'd be screwed again out of a BCS Bowl. Chances are low that Mizzou would win the Championship game, but that would be soooooo typical for Mizzou if this scenario did happen.

 

Kind of disagree with this simply because of how much the North sucks. It won't happen anyways unless Texas Tech runs the table then loses the Big XII Title. Plus Florida would need to lose again, then beat Alabama in the SEC Champ Game.

[da bears]

Pretty sure somebody already talked about this, but there's a chance Mizzou could win the Big 12 championship and still not play in a BCS bowl. I'm not sure how exactly it would go down, but let's say two Big 12 Teams end up ranking 1 and 2 in the final BCS poll, then even if Mizzou won the Big 12 title game, they'd be screwed again out of a BCS Bowl. Chances are low that Mizzou would win the Championship game, but that would be soooooo typical for Mizzou if this scenario did happen.

 

Kind of disagree with this simply because of how much the North sucks. It won't happen anyways unless Texas Tech runs the table then loses the Big XII Title. Plus Florida would need to lose again, then beat Alabama in the SEC Champ Game.

 

Well, I'm certainly not disagreeing with that. And it's highly doubtful to happen. But it would suck major ass if Mizzou finally won the conference championship but because of the strength of the Big 12 got left out of a BCS game.