Blow the chokers out of town

[Guest]

I'm extremely jealous of the Red Sox, they are the best run team in baseball.

 

NOW they are...Does anybody remember when Boston (or Duquette) ran off players like Nomar, Mo Vaughn and Roger Clemens? When an organization is hiring PI's to get dirt on their players (in the case of Vaughn, I believe) you're not a good org. Winning 2 championships changes one's POV of a team. The Cubs team are a good run team (not great, nothing special) in baseball, it just they haven't gotten their monkey off their backs.

 

The championships help but that isn't the only reason they are the best run organization in baseball.

[RedFlash]

I'm extremely jealous of the Red Sox, they are the best run team in baseball.

 

NOW they are...Does anybody remember when Boston (or Duquette) ran off players like Nomar, Mo Vaughn and Roger Clemens? When an organization is hiring PI's to get dirt on their players (in the case of Vaughn, I believe) you're not a good org. Winning 2 championships changes one's POV of a team. The Cubs team are a good run team (not great, nothing special) in baseball, it just they haven't gotten their monkey off their backs.

 

The championships help but that isn't the only reason they are the best run organization in baseball.

 

I know, I'm just saying the Cubs are a better run team today, then the Red Sox were shortly before they won the first championship. And for anybody to call the Cubs the "worst franchise in sports" or the like (and it's been mention recently) is completely ridiculous.

[hardcorecubfan]

QUESTION

 

If we had made it to game four would you bench Soriano?

 

If we take performance as a standard then Fukudome is had a better OBP than Sori, though I understand Fuku was bad the whole summer.

 

ANSWER

 

No.

 

Would you move him down the line-up then?

[Guest]

QUESTION

 

If we had made it to game four would you bench Soriano?

 

If we take performance as a standard then Fukudome is had a better OBP than Sori, though I understand Fuku was bad the whole summer.

 

ANSWER

 

No.

 

Would you move him down the line-up then?

 

No, I'm not a fan of making quick, rash changes. Who would you lead off?

[DiamondMind]

Anyone else here see the fatal flaw of having your leadoff man and supposed table setter wet the bed in every clutch situation?

 

Theriot should of been leading off all damn year, arguably with Fontenot right behind him.

[Soul]

QUESTION

 

If we had made it to game four would you bench Soriano?

 

If we take performance as a standard then Fukudome is had a better OBP than Sori, though I understand Fuku was bad the whole summer.

 

ANSWER

 

No.

 

Would you move him down the line-up then?

 

No, I'm not a fan of making quick, rash changes. Who would you lead off?

 

Roberts? I keep hearing Jimbo's still pushing for him.

[C.C.]

QUESTION

 

If we had made it to game four would you bench Soriano?

 

If we take performance as a standard then Fukudome is had a better OBP than Sori, though I understand Fuku was bad the whole summer.

 

ANSWER

 

No.

 

Would you move him down the line-up then?

 

No, I'm not a fan of making quick, rash changes. Who would you lead off?

 

 

Roberts? I keep hearing Jimbo's still pushing for him.

 

O's aren't going to trade him. I just read this Morning that they are trying to sign him to a new deal. At least I thought I read this Morning. Somewhere?

[BigbadB]

Anyone else here see the fatal flaw of having your leadoff man and supposed table setter wet the bed in every clutch situation?

 

Theriot should of been leading off all damn year, arguably with Fontenot right behind him.

 

Totally disagree. The Cubs led the league in runs scored this year with Soriano hitting at the top of the order. 3 playoff games doesn't change that for me.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

it's amazing how 3 games can make people forget the other 161

[Guest]

QUESTION

 

If we had made it to game four would you bench Soriano?

 

If we take performance as a standard then Fukudome is had a better OBP than Sori, though I understand Fuku was bad the whole summer.

 

ANSWER

 

No.

 

Would you move him down the line-up then?

 

No, I'm not a fan of making quick, rash changes. Who would you lead off?

 

Roberts? I keep hearing Jimbo's still pushing for him.

 

We're talking about a hypothetical game 4 that would have been played last night. Roberts starting for the Cubs wouldn't have been very legal in that case.

[BigbadB]

Totally disagree. The Cubs led the league in runs scored this year with Soriano hitting at the top of the order. 3 playoff games doesn't change that for me.

 

To expound on my own quote, here are a few stats to further prove that Theriot is a bottom of the order hitter.

 

#1. 24 XBH's in 661 PA's. That's an extra base hit every 27.5 times he comes to the plate.

 

Remember how badly we despised Juan Pierre at the top of the Cubs order? As bad as he was, he generated twice as many XBH's for the Cubs that year than Theriot had this year.

 

#2. Theriot scored 85 runs this year, mostly batting at the top of the order on a team that led the league in runs scored. 661 PA's and 85 runs scored is not impressive by any means.

 

That's actually called not making much happen. Sure, he can get on 1st base with the best of them, and if getting to 1st base put runs on the board, he's an all star. Realistically, Theriot is part of the reason Derrek Lee finished the season with a ridiculous number of GIDP's. Corey Patterson scored more runs than Theriot in 2004 than Theriot did this year.

 

#3. Soriano drove in twice as many runs as Theriot in many, many fewer at bats. The Cubs had the luxury of having quality hitters throughout the entire line up, which gave Soriano plenty of RBI opportunities hitting at the top of the line up.

 

Soriano missed 53 games, which is nearly 1/3 of the season. Had he played in those games, his RBI total could have broached 111 for the season, good enough to tie Aramis for the team lead.

 

There is something to be said about giving your best hitters the most at bats. I'm curious how many more runs this team could have scored if they let DeRosa hit second all year. DeRosa led the team in scoring (103 runs scored) batting in the bottom half the order all season.

 

How many more runs could DeRosa have produced if 1) he hit at the top of the order all season, where he would have had a whole lot more at bats 2) would have got on base in front of much better hitters all season?

 

Ryan Theriot is not the definition of a table setter. A table setter is someone who can get in scoring position a high percentage of the time.

 

Digest this one just for the fun of it:

 

Theriot in 661 PA's this season= 24 XBH's

Cubs starting pitchers in 331 PA's this season= 18 XBH's

 

Argue against Soriano at the top of the order all you wish, but the results will always come out way better than Theriot hitting there.

 

Theriot doesn't belong in the discussion. Period.

[Soul]

BTW, the title of this thread is hilarious.

[moochpuppy]

Soriano on the other hand needs to get traded to the Mariners.

 

Trade him and get a left handed bat that can hit and put the fear into opposing pitchers.

 

Can Mark Teixeira play LF? I think he played their some in his rookie season.

[SouthSideRyan]

Soriano on the other hand needs to get traded to the Mariners.

 

Trade him and get a left handed bat that can hit and put the fear into opposing pitchers.

 

Can Mark Teixeira play LF? I think he played their some in his rookie season.

 

If only Jim Rice was left handed. FEAR

[erik316wttn]

it's amazing how 3 games can make people forget the other 161

 

Not that hard when the Cubs picked this time to play their worst 3 games of the year when it mattered the most.

 

97 wins means jack squat right now. The Cubs are eliminated and will be watching the NLCS and World Series from home.

[SouthSideRyan]

it's amazing how 3 games can make people forget the other 161

 

Not that hard when the Cubs picked this time to play their worst 3 games of the year when it mattered the most.

 

97 wins means jack squat right now. The Cubs are eliminated and will be watching the NLCS and World Series from home.

 

In that context yeah. In the context of what the team should do about next year, the 97 wins means a hell of a lot with regard to what you should do in the offseason.

[hardcorecubfan]

QUESTION

 

If we had made it to game four would you bench Soriano?

 

If we take performance as a standard then Fukudome is had a better OBP than Sori, though I understand Fuku was bad the whole summer.

 

ANSWER

 

No.

 

Would you move him down the line-up then?

 

No, I'm not a fan of making quick, rash changes. Who would you lead off?

 

This is a desperate situation but Theriot seems a lot more patient. I respect what Sori could do but should we wait for that "something amazing " to happen out of him

[BigSlick]

Hey everyone, took a couple days off the board wanted to see how you all were doing.

 

 

Hmm, thats interesting...

 

 

 

oh...

 

 

oh...

 

Pretty much what I expected. :(

[soapy]

Greatest post ever.

 

thank you. my hope in man-kind may be restored.

 

moving soriano out of the lead-off spot is fine, but not for someone like theriot.

[hardcorecubfan]

Totally disagree. The Cubs led the league in runs scored this year with Soriano hitting at the top of the order. 3 playoff games doesn't change that for me.

 

To expound on my own quote, here are a few stats to further prove that Theriot is a bottom of the order hitter.

 

#1. 24 XBH's in 661 PA's. That's an extra base hit every 27.5 times he comes to the plate.

 

Remember how badly we despised Juan Pierre at the top of the Cubs order? As bad as he was, he generated twice as many XBH's for the Cubs that year than Theriot had this year.

 

#2. Theriot scored 85 runs this year, mostly batting at the top of the order on a team that led the league in runs scored. 661 PA's and 85 runs scored is not impressive by any means.

 

That's actually called not making much happen. Sure, he can get on 1st base with the best of them, and if getting to 1st base put runs on the board, he's an all star. Realistically, Theriot is part of the reason Derrek Lee finished the season with a ridiculous number of GIDP's. Corey Patterson scored more runs than Theriot in 2004 than Theriot did this year.

 

#3. Soriano drove in twice as many runs as Theriot in many, many fewer at bats. The Cubs had the luxury of having quality hitters throughout the entire line up, which gave Soriano plenty of RBI opportunities hitting at the top of the line up.

 

Soriano missed 53 games, which is nearly 1/3 of the season. Had he played in those games, his RBI total could have broached 111 for the season, good enough to tie Aramis for the team lead.

 

There is something to be said about giving your best hitters the most at bats. I'm curious how many more runs this team could have scored if they let DeRosa hit second all year. DeRosa led the team in scoring (103 runs scored) batting in the bottom half the order all season.

 

How many more runs could DeRosa have produced if 1) he hit at the top of the order all season, where he would have had a whole lot more at bats 2) would have got on base in front of much better hitters all season?

 

Ryan Theriot is not the definition of a table setter. A table setter is someone who can get in scoring position a high percentage of the time.

 

Digest this one just for the fun of it:

 

Theriot in 661 PA's this season= 24 XBH's

Cubs starting pitchers in 331 PA's this season= 18 XBH's

 

Argue against Soriano at the top of the order all you wish, but the results will always come out way better than Theriot hitting there.

 

Theriot doesn't belong in the discussion. Period.

 

I apologize for throwing his name out but a good benching or moving him to the end of the order may shake him up enough to play well. It is no longer about stats it is about psychology

[jersey cubs fan]

I apologize for throwing his name out but a good benching or moving him to the end of the order may shake him up enough to play well. It is no longer about stats it is about psychology

 

You aren't going to shake a 33 year old man making $17m a year into being a better hitter. It is all about the stats, and the stats say he does play well, just not as well as most of us would like.

[sneakypower]

#2. Theriot scored 85 runs this year, mostly batting at the top of the order on a team that led the league in runs scored. 661 PA's and 85 runs scored is not impressive by any means.

 

That's actually called not making much happen. Sure, he can get on 1st base with the best of them, and if getting to 1st base put runs on the board, he's an all star. Realistically, Theriot is part of the reason Derrek Lee finished the season with a ridiculous number of GIDP's. Corey Patterson scored more runs than Theriot in 2004 than Theriot did this year.

blaming Lee's GIDPs on Theriot being on first base is kinda like blaming rape victims for looking too good

[jersey cubs fan]

#2. Theriot scored 85 runs this year, mostly batting at the top of the order on a team that led the league in runs scored. 661 PA's and 85 runs scored is not impressive by any means.

 

That's actually called not making much happen. Sure, he can get on 1st base with the best of them, and if getting to 1st base put runs on the board, he's an all star. Realistically, Theriot is part of the reason Derrek Lee finished the season with a ridiculous number of GIDP's. Corey Patterson scored more runs than Theriot in 2004 than Theriot did this year.

blaming Lee's GIDPs on Theriot being on first base is kinda like blaming rape victims for looking too good

 

It is kinda like that. But it's a bit different. It's more like blaming rape victims for looking too good and laying down naked in a park at night with their hands tied to the ground and a blindfold on.

[SouthSideRyan]

If Ryan Theriot had Ryan Theriot batting in front of him all season he'd have grounded into more DPs than Derrek Lee. He'd also be breaking a few fundamental rules of baseball.

[imb]

If Ryan Theriot had Ryan Theriot batting in front of him all season he'd have grounded into more DPs than Derrek Lee. He'd also be breaking a few fundamental rules of baseball.

 

not to mention rules of existence