Blow the chokers out of town

[imb]

again with no proof

 

i'm not opposed to it being right, i'd just like to see it there in front of me

 

All three playoff teams in the NL were significantly better pitching to RHB.

 

Brewers had the smallest split:

.255 .318 .396

.257 .331 .420

 

 

Last year's Diamondbacks were:

.255 .318 .396

.271 .353 .450

 

Since most pitchers are right handed and most hitters are right handed, this isn't a surprise. i thought we were talking about how we did this year against "good rhp"

 

Wait, that makes no sense. Why isn't it a surprise?

 

RHP have more success against RHB than against LHB? that's not a shocker

[ArthurVandalay]

 

I know what DeRosa brings but I also don't expect him to keep it up. It's not going to happen, but would free up a corner outfield spot to go after a proven veteran with post-season experience and proven leadership (like Manny still was at the point he was being shopped around).

 

He gets better year after year, but you just don't expect him to keep it up. Oh, okay. I'll take your word for it....

We already have a corner outfield spot freed up in right field. Move Fuk to center where his defense can make up for his lack of offense.

 

We do not have the talent to acquire needs via trade, so the new owner must keep ponying up and going for the free agents. Furcal would fill two huge needs (SS and leadoff). I don't know what the other OF would be.

P.S. "Leadoff" isn't a position.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

again with no proof

 

i'm not opposed to it being right, i'd just like to see it there in front of me

 

All three playoff teams in the NL were significantly better pitching to RHB.

 

Brewers had the smallest split:

.255 .318 .396

.257 .331 .420

 

 

Last year's Diamondbacks were:

.255 .318 .396

.271 .353 .450

 

Since most pitchers are right handed and most hitters are right handed, this isn't a surprise. i thought we were talking about how we did this year against "good rhp"

 

Wait, that makes no sense. Why isn't it a surprise?

 

RHP have more success against RHB than against LHB? that's not a shocker

 

Those aren't righty-on-righty splits. Those are entire pitching staff on righty splits.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

(btw, I am working on a more definitive test, but it doesn't just appear overnight :) )

[windycityfan]

Maybe it was just me, but I somehow feel like the Cubs used Marshall tonight to showcase him for a trade. Who knows, but I get that feeling when there were other options at that point in the game. Granted, Marshall was obviously as good of a choice as could have been made to go to there.

 

Marshall can't go anywhere, especially with Dempster's pending FA status and Rich Hill's head still a mystery.

 

Nevertheless, Marshall does not hold the trade value to bring us anyone of significance to put us over the top. We're better off hanging on to him.

[imb]

again with no proof

 

i'm not opposed to it being right, i'd just like to see it there in front of me

 

All three playoff teams in the NL were significantly better pitching to RHB.

 

Brewers had the smallest split:

.255 .318 .396

.257 .331 .420

 

 

Last year's Diamondbacks were:

.255 .318 .396

.271 .353 .450

 

Since most pitchers are right handed and most hitters are right handed, this isn't a surprise. i thought we were talking about how we did this year against "good rhp"

 

Wait, that makes no sense. Why isn't it a surprise?

 

RHP have more success against RHB than against LHB? that's not a shocker

 

Those aren't righty-on-righty splits. Those are entire pitching staff on righty splits.

 

do they have more LHP on their roster than RHP? i'm so confused on what kind of point you think youre making

[Hairyducked Idiot]

do they have more LHP on their roster than RHP? i'm so confused on what kind of point you think youre making

 

It doesn't seem like I'm being that obtuse.

 

Every pitching staff in the NL playoffs did significantly better vs. right-handed batters than left-handed batters. How is it not therefore a detriment to have a significant portion of your offense tied up in right-handed hitting?

[XZero771679666304]

Maybe it was just me, but I somehow feel like the Cubs used Marshall tonight to showcase him for a trade. Who knows, but I get that feeling when there were other options at that point in the game. Granted, Marshall was obviously as good of a choice as could have been made to go to there.

 

Marshall can't go anywhere, especially with Dempster's pending FA status and Rich Hill's head still a mystery.

 

Nevertheless, Marshall does not hold the trade value to bring us anyone of significance to put us over the top. We're better off hanging on to him.

 

Dempster will be re-signed. Marshall has plenty of value as part of a package.

[hawkeyecub]

I can't wait to read DeRosa's blog to see how sad he is the Cubs didn't do well again this year. Next year, if he is with the Cubs, he needs to not talk so much and worry about playing. There comes a point when we don't care to hear excuses. The last two games he was terrible. Tonight there is no excuse for not bringing in the runner on third with one out, and then watching pitch after pitch go straight across the plate, and then swinging at the ball in the dirt.

 

Howry, at least he got us off to the start we needed in the playoffs with the HR. Obviously the boot on the ground ball was equally big, but come on.

 

Sorry, I don't give him a pass for one good at bat all series. The time was for him to put up or shut up. The rest of the series he was terrible. He had opportunity after opportunity to come through and he Howry the bed. I don't want to hear anymore talk from the Cubs, just get it done.

 

DeRosa drove in 4 runs in 12 AB's this series.

 

The rest of the team drove in 2 runs in 104 AB's.

 

And tonight when he had an easy chance to drive in a run, he blew it. Why are you defending a guy that played like Howry this series? The only reason I single him out, is because he is the one that is always running his mouth on his blog. Stop blogging and start producing. Granted it is not his fault entirely, but next year he should do a little less talking and a little more producing.

 

Are you serious?

 

First of all, he drove in 80% of our runs in this series. But yes blame him for our futile offense because he failed tonight.

 

Secondly, how is he "running his mouth" on his blog? And for all of your tough guy, stop blogging and start producing talk, do you really believe that his blog affected his performance.

 

Get a clue

[beersoakedivy]

I burned my CUBS flag right after the last out...it felt good. Sad showing...two years running. Forget about the last ninety-eight!!!

[imb]

do they have more LHP on their roster than RHP? i'm so confused on what kind of point you think youre making

 

It doesn't seem like I'm being that obtuse.

 

Every pitching staff in the NL playoffs did significantly better vs. right-handed batters than left-handed batters. How is it not therefore a detriment to have a significant portion of your offense tied up in right-handed hitting?

 

I'm not saying it's not a detriment, I'm saying that it's not a surprise that a league that has a majority of RHB has worse splits against RHP.

 

there are more rhp and rhb than lhp and lhb ... so it's common sense that splits against RHB will be lower.

 

I would imagine every pitching staff in baseball with a majority of RHP did better against RHB, how is that a surprise?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Let's say we take the top 30 RHP in the league using RA+ from baseballprospectus.com.

 

We compare the Cubs OPS against those pitchers compared to the league's combined OPS against those pitchers.

 

Would that be kosher?

[windycityfan]

Move Fuk to center where his defense can make up for his lack of offense.

 

Offense is what we need and that's what Fuk lacks. Even if that was the case, Pie fits that mold and is a true center fielder.

 

P.S. "Leadoff" isn't a position.

 

You can't be that dense and pretend leadoff is not a need (call it whatever you want). Adding a table-setter takes Soriano out of that slot and makes him more valuable as well (whether as run producer or less of a cancer at the top).

[Hairyducked Idiot]

do they have more LHP on their roster than RHP? i'm so confused on what kind of point you think youre making

 

It doesn't seem like I'm being that obtuse.

 

Every pitching staff in the NL playoffs did significantly better vs. right-handed batters than left-handed batters. How is it not therefore a detriment to have a significant portion of your offense tied up in right-handed hitting?

 

I'm not saying it's not a detriment, I'm saying that it's not a surprise that a league that has a majority of RHB has worse splits against RHP.

 

there are more rhp and rhb than lhp and lhb ... so it's common sense that splits against RHB will be lower.

 

I would imagine every pitching staff in baseball with a majority of RHP did better against RHB, how is that a surprise?

 

The NL as a whole had a much smaller split:

.260 .328 .414

.266 .341 .421

 

compared to the Dodgers'

.239 .301 .361

.268 .334 .396

[XZero771679666304]

I can't wait to read DeRosa's blog to see how sad he is the Cubs didn't do well again this year. Next year, if he is with the Cubs, he needs to not talk so much and worry about playing. There comes a point when we don't care to hear excuses. The last two games he was terrible. Tonight there is no excuse for not bringing in the runner on third with one out, and then watching pitch after pitch go straight across the plate, and then swinging at the ball in the dirt.

 

Howry, at least he got us off to the start we needed in the playoffs with the HR. Obviously the boot on the ground ball was equally big, but come on.

 

Sorry, I don't give him a pass for one good at bat all series. The time was for him to put up or shut up. The rest of the series he was terrible. He had opportunity after opportunity to come through and he Howry the bed. I don't want to hear anymore talk from the Cubs, just get it done.

 

DeRosa drove in 4 runs in 12 AB's this series.

 

The rest of the team drove in 2 runs in 104 AB's.

 

And tonight when he had an easy chance to drive in a run, he blew it. Why are you defending a guy that played like Howry this series? The only reason I single him out, is because he is the one that is always running his mouth on his blog. Stop blogging and start producing. Granted it is not his fault entirely, but next year he should do a little less talking and a little more producing.

 

Are you serious?

 

First of all, he drove in 80% of our runs in this series. But yes blame him for our futile offense because he failed tonight.

 

Secondly, how is he "running his mouth" on his blog? And for all of your tough guy, stop blogging and start producing talk, do you really believe that his blog affected his performance.

 

Get a clue

 

I think the truth is somewhere in between here. Yes, he drove in 4 runs. But ultimately, his booting of that DP ball was the most impact thing he did all series. And his hacking at this first pitch (a pitcher's pitch, no less) in a key AB tonight screamed of pressing.

 

The homer in game 1 was big because the game was scoreless at the time, but his double in the 9th of game 2 was really superfluous.

 

To be honest, I like DeRo, but he has struck me fora long time as a guy who tries to do too much in big spots. But I am sure no one his harder on him than he is on himself.

 

But there is plenty of blame to go around.

[big_shooter17]

Maybe it was just me, but I somehow feel like the Cubs used Marshall tonight to showcase him for a trade. Who knows, but I get that feeling when there were other options at that point in the game. Granted, Marshall was obviously as good of a choice as could have been made to go to there.

 

Marshall can't go anywhere, especially with Dempster's pending FA status and Rich Hill's head still a mystery.

 

Nevertheless, Marshall does not hold the trade value to bring us anyone of significance to put us over the top. We're better off hanging on to him.

 

Dempster will be re-signed. Marshall has plenty of value as part of a package.

 

I am not saying that Marshall should necessarily be traded, but that I think that they are looking to move him. In my opinion, Marshall has the makings of a solid middle of the rotation starter. He has good stuff and seems to have good composure as well. I just think that Dempster will be brought back and with Marquis still under contract, they will be looking at spare parts that could bring something in return. Marshall's more than solid performance in the postseason definitely increased his trade value.

[ArthurVandalay]

Move Fuk to center where his defense can make up for his lack of offense.

 

Offense is what we need and that's what Fuk lacks. Even if that was the case, Pie fits that mold and is a true center fielder.

 

P.S. "Leadoff" isn't a position.

 

You can't be that dense and pretend leadoff is not a need (call it whatever you want). Adding a table-setter takes Soriano out of that slot and makes him more valuable as well (whether as run producer or less of a cancer at the top).

 

I'm all for going after Furcal because he is a good baseball player, not because we need a "leadoff hitter." That's the flawed thinking that got us Pierre. The "leadoff" hitter is only guaranteed to bat "leadoff" once per game. Having a good "leadoff" hitter is pointless when your "3-hole" guy is a singles/GIDP machine. We already have players that fill the role of a "table-setter" but for whatever reason aren't used there.

[gflore34]

Maybe it was just me, but I somehow feel like the Cubs used Marshall tonight to showcase him for a trade. Who knows, but I get that feeling when there were other options at that point in the game. Granted, Marshall was obviously as good of a choice as could have been made to go to there.

 

Marshall can't go anywhere, especially with Dempster's pending FA status and Rich Hill's head still a mystery.

 

Nevertheless, Marshall does not hold the trade value to bring us anyone of significance to put us over the top. We're better off hanging on to him.

 

Dempster will be re-signed. Marshall has plenty of value as part of a package.

 

I am not saying that Marshall should necessarily be traded, but that I think that they are looking to move him. In my opinion, Marshall has the makings of a solid middle of the rotation starter. He has good stuff and seems to have good composure as well. I just think that Dempster will be brought back and with Marquis still under contract, they will be looking at spare parts that could bring something in return. Marshall's more than solid performance in the postseason definitely increased his trade value.

 

I'd let Dempster walk, he had a magical contract drive year, he's not likely to repeat it. What the hell - go after Sabathia Hendry.

[hawkeyecub]

I can't wait to read DeRosa's blog to see how sad he is the Cubs didn't do well again this year. Next year, if he is with the Cubs, he needs to not talk so much and worry about playing. There comes a point when we don't care to hear excuses. The last two games he was terrible. Tonight there is no excuse for not bringing in the runner on third with one out, and then watching pitch after pitch go straight across the plate, and then swinging at the ball in the dirt.

 

Howry, at least he got us off to the start we needed in the playoffs with the HR. Obviously the boot on the ground ball was equally big, but come on.

 

Sorry, I don't give him a pass for one good at bat all series. The time was for him to put up or shut up. The rest of the series he was terrible. He had opportunity after opportunity to come through and he Howry the bed. I don't want to hear anymore talk from the Cubs, just get it done.

 

DeRosa drove in 4 runs in 12 AB's this series.

 

The rest of the team drove in 2 runs in 104 AB's.

 

And tonight when he had an easy chance to drive in a run, he blew it. Why are you defending a guy that played like Howry this series? The only reason I single him out, is because he is the one that is always running his mouth on his blog. Stop blogging and start producing. Granted it is not his fault entirely, but next year he should do a little less talking and a little more producing.

 

Are you serious?

 

First of all, he drove in 80% of our runs in this series. But yes blame him for our futile offense because he failed tonight.

 

Secondly, how is he "running his mouth" on his blog? And for all of your tough guy, stop blogging and start producing talk, do you really believe that his blog affected his performance.

 

Get a clue

 

I think the truth is somewhere in between here. Yes, he drove in 4 runs. But ultimately, his booting of that DP ball was the most impact thing he did all series. And his hacking at this first pitch (a pitcher's pitch, no less) in a key AB tonight screamed of pressing.

 

The homer in game 1 was big because the game was scoreless at the time, but his double in the 9th of game 2 was really superfluous.

 

To be honest, I like DeRo, but he has struck me fora long time as a guy who tries to do too much in big spots. But I am sure no one his harder on him than he is on himself.

 

But there is plenty of blame to go around.

 

Good points and I'm not absolving him of any blame.

 

But to single him out and rant about his blogging while claiming he's running his mouth (saying you're sorry for playing poorly and will try to do better is running your mouth?) is nuts.

 

Basically the entire team under-performed. That's really all there is to it.

[windycityfan]

I'm all for going after Furcal because he is a good baseball player, not because we need a "leadoff hitter." That's the flawed thinking that got us Pierre. The "leadoff" hitter is only guaranteed to bat "leadoff" once per game. Having a good "leadoff" hitter is pointless when your "3-hole" guy is a singles/GIDP machine.

 

I don't disagree with your statement, but a high on-base player with more traditional leadoff characteristics is certainly lacking at the top of the order (the one that takes the most at-bats, if you will).

 

Pierre was just a different animal. He's just a ****** baseball player, with no skills.

Edited October 5, 2008 by CaliforniaRaisin
Swearing

[ArthurVandalay]

Furcal really doesn't have superb "on base skills" though. I just find it laughable that you want Furcal, who has a .764 career OPS, but you want to relegate Mark DeRosa to a part-time role.

[17 Seconds]

I'd say Hendry knows who they are but then again, it's Hendry

Yeah, Hendry's an idiot. He put together a great team. It's not his fault they completely blew it.

 

They are NOT A GREAT TEAM. They are exactly the same team as last year when it comes to winning when it counts.

 

So you knew that they'd choke like this after winning 97 teams? I'm not a Hendry fan (at all) but to criticize his performance in building the 2008 team is idiotic. He did all that he could. This is all on the players and coaches.

[windycityfan]

Furcal really doesn't have superb "on base skills" though. I just find it laughable that you want Furcal, who has a .764 career OPS, but you want to relegate Mark DeRosa to a part-time role.

 

You don't get it, do you?

 

What I've been advocating tonight is relegating DeRosa to (1) super-sub role, unless he can switch to SS, and (2) considered his projected decline being replaced by the type of production that we haven't had from one (or two) corner outfields if Soriano could ever make a switch back to 2B.

 

As for Furcal, he'd only take care of the SS. How many more good available shortstops are out there within possibility. Let alone the fact he'd outplay Ryan Theriot on one leg and make the plays Theriot can't.

 

I'm through with you.

[imb]

do they have more LHP on their roster than RHP? i'm so confused on what kind of point you think youre making

 

It doesn't seem like I'm being that obtuse.

 

Every pitching staff in the NL playoffs did significantly better vs. right-handed batters than left-handed batters. How is it not therefore a detriment to have a significant portion of your offense tied up in right-handed hitting?

 

I'm not saying it's not a detriment, I'm saying that it's not a surprise that a league that has a majority of RHB has worse splits against RHP.

 

there are more rhp and rhb than lhp and lhb ... so it's common sense that splits against RHB will be lower.

 

I would imagine every pitching staff in baseball with a majority of RHP did better against RHB, how is that a surprise?

 

The NL as a whole had a much smaller split:

.260 .328 .414

.266 .341 .421

 

compared to the Dodgers'

.239 .301 .361

.268 .334 .396

 

Hmm, that's less of a difference than I expected. The Dodgers' RHP are better than the average RHPs, though.

[JeffH]

If the 2008 season showed us anything, it's that there is such a thing as a season-long fluke.