Jake Peavy: Available.

[BigbadB]

At what point do the Braves tell themselves that they are building for a few years down the road, and not 2009? How much of the future does a team want to give up, when it is highly doubtful that they will be ready to compete with the Mets and Phillies, and maybe even the Marlins the next few years?

Exactly what does getting Peavy accomplish for them? They lose a guy in Escobar who has potential to be a all-star SS for the next decade, and any prospects that they give up they lose out on developing them to be part of a competing team 3-4 years down the road. There is no way they contend this year and it's unlikely they contend they next 2 seasons.

 

They'll end up giving up a lot, plus the pads will likely expect whoever gets him to pick up at least part of the contract, and thats not something that rebuiling teams should be doing.

 

People keep saying the Braves are rebuilding and I don't know where that is coming from. Sure they are a pretty young team, but they have aging guys like Chipper, Smoltz, and Hudson (the latter will be back by midseason). The Braves had the 4th highest payroll in the NL last year, over 100Mil. They have plenty of money to spend this offseason.

 

The Braves' payroll has been over 85M every year since 2001. The only big salaries they have are Hudson (13M) and Chipper's 10M option. They have enough to add Peavy and a bat. That would put them back in NL East contention right away.

 

The reason I don't see the Braves being big players is that the Braves didn't build their dynasty in the 90's by trading their prospects for a star pitcher. They kept their prospects and built the team around those prospects. And then they made the team even better by getting guys like Maddux.

 

To me, and I could be wrong, for the Braves to give up prospects like Heyward or Schafer or Jurgens for a guy who is already making big money, wastes the best years of Peavy's career while all of these guys are going through growing pains of learning how to become successful major league players.

 

By the time they are really contributing, Peavy will be off to his next destination, after tiring of not winning in Atlanta. Couple that in with the fact that New York and Phily both have the talent and money to spend to strengthen their teams even more in the East, and I think Atlanta is jeopardizing their future just to finish 3rd this year and next.

 

ETA: I think the Marlins would be in a better position to go after Peavy right now than the Braves. Hanley, Hermida, Uggla, Maybin, Josh Johnson, Volstad, Miller.

[David]

Hendry is a god at trades. It's FA's he kind of sucks at.

 

I'm cautiously optimistic.

[SouthSideRyan]

Dave Kaplan also said the Cubs would only get Peavy or Dempster and not both. Which makes alot more sense, since they need to improve the offense and bullpen.

 

Dave Kaplan is the dumbest mammal alive.

[RammyFanny]

Man, Schafer was really atrocious against lefties last year. I don't see any difference between him and Pie.

[RammyFanny]

And JoJo has been an injury magnet with durability issues over his short career.

 

TJS, torn ACL, then fatigue problems when he recovered from that.

 

Edit: not to mention a piss poor frame.

[RedFlash]

Here is a part of article from Yahoo quoting Towers. Maybe Jimbo is working on getting a 3rd team involved to get us bullpen help or a lefthanded bat along with Peavy? Maybe be a 3 way with the Marlins including Hermida(Cubs) and Olsen(Padres).

 

“We’re not to the point where we’ve agreed on who the players are coming back. We just have an idea of who’s available to us and who’s not,” Towers said. “Now it’s just a matter of looking at three priority teams that are involved and trying to figure out what our optimum deal is. Some of them involve third teams and potentially fourth teams, so it becomes a little more complicated.”

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-gmmeetings&prov=ap&type=lgns

 

This has Hendry written on all it. The Braves certaintly have the prospects to make a team to trade trade without involving a third team or 4th team.

[RedFlash]

Dave Kaplan also said the Cubs would only get Peavy or Dempster and not both. Which makes alot more sense, since they need to improve the offense and bullpen.

 

Dave Kaplan is the dumbest mammal alive.

 

That maybe SSR, but he is right in this case. I love Dempster and what he brings to the team on and off the field, but if the Cubs get Peavy, Dempster would no longer be needed.

[Cubswin11]

Here is a part of article from Yahoo quoting Towers. Maybe Jimbo is working on getting a 3rd team involved to get us bullpen help or a lefthanded bat along with Peavy? Maybe be a 3 way with the Marlins including Hermida(Cubs) and Olsen(Padres).

 

“We’re not to the point where we’ve agreed on who the players are coming back. We just have an idea of who’s available to us and who’s not,” Towers said. “Now it’s just a matter of looking at three priority teams that are involved and trying to figure out what our optimum deal is. Some of them involve third teams and potentially fourth teams, so it becomes a little more complicated.”

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-gmmeetings&prov=ap&type=lgns

 

This has Hendry written on all it. The Braves certaintly have the prospects to make a team to trade trade without involving a third team or 4th team.

It really does there is no reason like you said for the Braves to get a 3rd team involved. Maybe the Astros or Cardnials are up to something as well but I doubt it, I think it's Hendry all the way.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Rotoworld had this to say:

 

According to the Arizona Republic, the rumor going around the GM meetings this morning was Jake Peavy to the Braves for Yunel Escobar, Gorkys Hernandez and a young pitcher not named Tommy Hanson

[RammyFanny]

Rotoworld had this to say:

 

According to the Arizona Republic, the rumor going around the GM meetings this morning was Jake Peavy to the Braves for Yunel Escobar, Gorkys Hernandez and a young pitcher not named Tommy Hanson

Yeah, I posted this a page or two back. Gorky's is one of those real speedy guys who doesn't have a lick of power, but I guess people just like his potential based on speed. He's still awhile away IMO.

 

BUT:

 

Keep in mind Rosenthal's "Cubs vs. Braves for Peavy" article today was written after the AZ republic blog, so that might be more recent. Plus, I tend to trust Rosenthal alot more than a DBacks blogger who had that in his blog as a one or two liner.

[RammyFanny]

Peavy's destination, though, remains uncertain -- though Atlanta and the Chicago Cubs right now are in prime position to acquire him. One source said Thursday that the Braves are the frontrunners and have told the Padres that they will include outfielder Gorkys Hernandez. Another source insisted that the Cubs remain very aggressive and are in solid position to land Peavy.

The Cubs' offer is believed to include center fielder Felix Pie. Sources also said the names of infielder Ronny Cedeno and pitcher Rich Hill have been broached by the Cubs. Chicago's disadvantage is that most of its stronger prospects are in the low minors, so they wouldn't be able to help San Diego in the immediate future.

Because their prospects aren't as far along as those of the Braves, it is believed that the most likely scenario in which the Cubs would obtain Peavy would be in one of those three- or four-way deals Towers hinted at.

• Investigating several different avenues to improve their rotation, the Atlanta Braves, in addition to talking trade with San Diego for Jake Peavy, also have approached the Florida Marlins about left-hander Scott Olsen (8-11, 4.20 ERA in 33 starts in 2008). Texas also is believed to have inquired about Olsen, who is eligible for arbitration this winter.

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/11087874

[rawaction]

At what point do the Braves tell themselves that they are building for a few years down the road, and not 2009? How much of the future does a team want to give up, when it is highly doubtful that they will be ready to compete with the Mets and Phillies, and maybe even the Marlins the next few years?

Exactly what does getting Peavy accomplish for them? They lose a guy in Escobar who has potential to be a all-star SS for the next decade, and any prospects that they give up they lose out on developing them to be part of a competing team 3-4 years down the road. There is no way they contend this year and it's unlikely they contend they next 2 seasons.

 

They'll end up giving up a lot, plus the pads will likely expect whoever gets him to pick up at least part of the contract, and thats not something that rebuiling teams should be doing.

 

People keep saying the Braves are rebuilding and I don't know where that is coming from. Sure they are a pretty young team, but they have aging guys like Chipper, Smoltz, and Hudson (the latter will be back by midseason). The Braves had the 4th highest payroll in the NL last year, over 100Mil. They have plenty of money to spend this offseason.

 

The Braves' payroll has been over 85M every year since 2001. The only big salaries they have are Hudson (13M) and Chipper's 10M option. They have enough to add Peavy and a bat. That would put them back in NL East contention right away.

 

The reason I don't see the Braves being big players is that the Braves didn't build their dynasty in the 90's by trading their prospects for a star pitcher. They kept their prospects and built the team around those prospects. And then they made the team even better by getting guys like Maddux.

 

To me, and I could be wrong, for the Braves to give up prospects like Heyward or Schafer or Jurgens for a guy who is already making big money, wastes the best years of Peavy's career while all of these guys are going through growing pains of learning how to become successful major league players.

 

By the time they are really contributing, Peavy will be off to his next destination, after tiring of not winning in Atlanta. Couple that in with the fact that New York and Phily both have the talent and money to spend to strengthen their teams even more in the East, and I think Atlanta is jeopardizing their future just to finish 3rd this year and next.

 

ETA: I think the Marlins would be in a better position to go after Peavy right now than the Braves. Hanley, Hermida, Uggla, Maybin, Josh Johnson, Volstad, Miller.

 

They clearly won't give up Jurrjens for Peavy. And will only give up one of Heyward/Schafer if even that. They still have Brandon Jones, the one of Heyward or Schafer they don't trade, and Gorkys Hernandez in the OF. They will have Hansen, Flowers, Hicks, Freeman, Locke, and Rohrbough who are also legit prospects. They aren't going to kill their system either way.

 

Peavy along with Jurrjens would give them a solid 1-2. Get Hudson during the season and one of the young guys step up, that's the best rotation in the NLE by a long shot. Chipper and McCann are pretty good bats. They can afford 1 more middle of the order hitter (showing interest in Burrell), which would make them a pretty solid offensive team.

 

Granted, the Braves are a team that typically trades prospects for high priced players, but they have a glut of OF prospects. They have a lot of young pitching. What they don't have is a top of the rotation guy for next year and the future. And the one thing that dynasty did for the Braves, made them winners. I can see them starting it all over again, but they are also a team that has a history of spending money. They've typically spent it on their homegrown players (Andruw, Chipper, Big 3 SPs). But they have traded prospects when needed. They did so to get Hudson, Renteria, Teixeira, even Wickman.

[rawaction]

If it's the Cubs, Padres, and Marlins.....I don't think there's anyway the Cubs end up w/ Peavy and Hermida. They would be the best 2 players in the trade, and that rarely happens where 1 team gets the best 2 players in a multi-team deal.

 

Using the usual suspects, I'd imagine this 3-way would be along the lines of:

 

Cubs get Peavy

Padres get Olsen, Hermida

Marlins get Pie, Castillo, Ceda, Marshall

[RammyFanny]

If it's the Cubs, Padres, and Marlins.....I don't think there's anyway the Cubs end up w/ Peavy and Hermida. They would be the best 2 players in the trade, and that rarely happens where 1 team gets the best 2 players in a multi-team deal.

 

Using the usual suspects, I'd imagine this 3-way would be along the lines of:

 

Cubs get Peavy

Padres get Olsen, Hermida

Marlins get Pie, Castillo, Ceda, Marshall

 

Padres don't get enough, and the Marlins want Maybin to be their CF. If Pie is moved anywhere else besides CF, his value goes down a crapload.

[RedFlash]

If it's the Cubs, Padres, and Marlins.....I don't think there's anyway the Cubs end up w/ Peavy and Hermida. They would be the best 2 players in the trade, and that rarely happens where 1 team gets the best 2 players in a multi-team deal.

 

Using the usual suspects, I'd imagine this 3-way would be along the lines of:

 

Cubs get Peavy

Padres get Olsen, Hermida

Marlins get Pie, Castillo, Ceda, Marshall

 

I would definately sign off on that. Still leaves the Cubs the opportunity to still target a guy like Furcal and/or Ibanez or Luke Scott.

[Jehrico]

I wonder if Hendry has another Nomar up his sleeve, because this trade is looking like it could be another one like that.

[RammyFanny]

The Cubs have strengthened their bid to land San Diego's Jake Peavy—one person-in-the-know describing it as a "major push"—who has expressed a desire to pitch in Wrigley Field. And well-placed sources say the Cubs could take both Peavy's $63 million for four years and a higher-than-expected new deal for Ryan Dempster. It now appears the Cubs have upped their initial offer to Dempster to four years instead of three, with the dollar amount believed to be about $50 million, with the hope Dempster will sign before next Thursday when he can talk with other teams. … Atlanta remains the favorite to land Peavy, because, as one top executive claimed, "The Cubs don't have enough [top prospects] to give in return." Young pitcher Kevin Hart might be one to go in the deal. … The Yankees and Angels also believe they're in the Peavy sweepstakes. …

[Jehrico]

Hendry is a god at trades. It's FA's he kind of sucks at.

 

I'm cautiously optimistic.

If he can get Peavy without giving up too much, I'll gladly give him a mulligan on that horrible 2006 trade. He's defintely had more good ones than bad ones, at least when we're talking major trades and not the type of trades no one on either side cares too much about.

[Little Slide Rooter]

If it's the Cubs, Padres, and Marlins.....I don't think there's anyway the Cubs end up w/ Peavy and Hermida. They would be the best 2 players in the trade, and that rarely happens where 1 team gets the best 2 players in a multi-team deal.

 

Using the usual suspects, I'd imagine this 3-way would be along the lines of:

 

Cubs get Peavy

Padres get Olsen, Hermida

Marlins get Pie, Castillo, Ceda, Marshall

 

Padres don't get enough, and the Marlins want Maybin to be their CF. If Pie is moved anywhere else besides CF, his value goes down a crapload.

 

I coulkd see it:

 

Cubs get: Peavy, Hermida

Padres get: Marshall, Olson, Pie, Cedeno, Ceda

Marlins get:Castillo, Atkins/Veal, a few of the afore mentioned Cubs low level prospects.

[RammyFanny]

If it's the Cubs, Padres, and Marlins.....I don't think there's anyway the Cubs end up w/ Peavy and Hermida. They would be the best 2 players in the trade, and that rarely happens where 1 team gets the best 2 players in a multi-team deal.

 

Using the usual suspects, I'd imagine this 3-way would be along the lines of:

 

Cubs get Peavy

Padres get Olsen, Hermida

Marlins get Pie, Castillo, Ceda, Marshall

 

Padres don't get enough, and the Marlins want Maybin to be their CF. If Pie is moved anywhere else besides CF, his value goes down a crapload.

 

I coulkd see it:

 

Cubs get: Peavy, Hermida

Padres get: Marshall, Olson, Pie, Cedeno, Ceda

Marlins get:Castillo, Atkins/Veal, a few of the afore mentioned Cubs low level prospects.

 

Marlins get the shortend here by a good chunk, imo.

[GTAG]

Does Angel Guzman have any real trade value and if so could he be included in a Peavy deal?

[Little Slide Rooter]

If it's the Cubs, Padres, and Marlins.....I don't think there's anyway the Cubs end up w/ Peavy and Hermida. They would be the best 2 players in the trade, and that rarely happens where 1 team gets the best 2 players in a multi-team deal.

 

Using the usual suspects, I'd imagine this 3-way would be along the lines of:

 

Cubs get Peavy

Padres get Olsen, Hermida

Marlins get Pie, Castillo, Ceda, Marshall

 

Padres don't get enough, and the Marlins want Maybin to be their CF. If Pie is moved anywhere else besides CF, his value goes down a crapload.

 

I coulkd see it:

 

Cubs get: Peavy, Hermida

Padres get: Marshall, Olson, Pie, Cedeno, Ceda

Marlins get:Castillo, Atkins/Veal, a few of the afore mentioned Cubs low level prospects.

 

Marlins get the shortend here by a good chunk, imo.

 

Thats how they operate. They unload players before they're due a pay day for prospect packages. They're only giving up 2 players, questionable ones at that in this scenerio.

[SouthSideRyan]

Hendry is a god at trades. It's FA's he kind of sucks at.

 

I'm cautiously optimistic.

If he can get Peavy without giving up too much, I'll gladly give him a mulligan on that horrible 2006 trade. He's defintely had more good ones than bad ones, at least when we're talking major trades and not the type of trades no one on either side cares too much about.

 

He did quite well in the minor trades of Todd Walker and Freddie Bynum.

[erik316wttn]

Are the Pads still looking to dump Greene? Maybe Peavy wouldn't cost so much if we could take him off their hands.

[RedFlash]

If it's the Cubs, Padres, and Marlins.....I don't think there's anyway the Cubs end up w/ Peavy and Hermida. They would be the best 2 players in the trade, and that rarely happens where 1 team gets the best 2 players in a multi-team deal.

 

Using the usual suspects, I'd imagine this 3-way would be along the lines of:

 

Cubs get Peavy

Padres get Olsen, Hermida

Marlins get Pie, Castillo, Ceda, Marshall

 

Padres don't get enough, and the Marlins want Maybin to be their CF. If Pie is moved anywhere else besides CF, his value goes down a crapload.

 

I coulkd see it:

 

Cubs get: Peavy, Hermida

Padres get: Marshall, Olson, Pie, Cedeno, Ceda

Marlins get:Castillo, Atkins/Veal, a few of the afore mentioned Cubs low level prospects.

 

Marlins get the shortend here by a good chunk, imo.

 

I agree. In Rooters proposal, I think Marshall/Olsen/Pie and Cedeno is more then enough to get Peavy. Two major league quality pitchers, a 2 and a 3 potentially, a starting SS, and a starting CF, all of which are major league ready for Peavy is more then enough, IMO. Ceda would have to go to the Marlins, along with a better pitching prospect then Atkins/Vea. I could see the Marlins asking for a kid you Huseby as part of the deal.A kid from Florida, raw, someone they wouldn't need for a few yrs. Huseby could be someon the Marlins could target.l