Jake Peavy: Available.

[Outshined_One]

Rosenthal keeps talking about Cubs prospects in the lower minors. Lets start some speculation on who that might be.

 

Josh Vitters, Drew Rundle. Tony Thomas, Brandon Guyer, Jovan Rosa, Starlin Castro, Junior Lake, Dae-Eun Rhee, James Russell?

I was thinking more Hernandez and Suarez.

 

Forgot Suarez and was going to go in and edit him in, not sure how valuable Robert Hernandez is.

 

Welington Castillo? Marquez Smith? Ryan Flaherty?

 

Castillo's good. Smith is mediocre at best. Flaherty can't be traded until the summer.

[Outshined_One]

Alessandro Maestri.

 

Good throw-in candidate (potential good setup guy), but you can't build much around him.

[David]

Whatever did happen with Thomas?

 

I remember his name being brought up by some people during the Roberts stuff (except I think he couldn't be traded). Did he do anything this year?

[Little Slide Rooter]

Rosenthal keeps talking about Cubs prospects in the lower minors. Lets start some speculation on who that might be.

 

Josh Vitters, Drew Rundle. Tony Thomas, Brandon Guyer, Jovan Rosa, Starlin Castro, Junior Lake, Dae-Eun Rhee, James Russell?

I was thinking more Hernandez and Suarez.

 

Forgot Suarez and was going to go in and edit him in, not sure how valuable Robert Hernandez is.

 

Welington Castillo? Marquez Smith? Ryan Flaherty?

 

Castillo's good. Smith is mediocre at best. Flaherty can't be traded until the summer.

 

Cant they make him a PTBNL?

[Outshined_One]

Whatever did happen with Thomas?

 

I remember his name being brought up by some people during the Roberts stuff (except I think he couldn't be traded). Did he do anything this year?

 

Struggled in Daytona, but hit really well in the FSL playoffs. Still could end up as a Todd Walker-type, imo.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Whatever did happen with Thomas?

 

I remember his name being brought up by some people during the Roberts stuff (except I think he couldn't be traded). Did he do anything this year?

 

He wasn't any good. .266/.320/.400/.720 in Daytona at age 21/22.

[Bote McBoteface]

Has anybody drawn the comparison to the Brian Roberts thread yet?

[Guest]

Rosenthal keeps talking about Cubs prospects in the lower minors. Lets start some speculation on who that might be.

 

Josh Vitters, Drew Rundle. Tony Thomas, Brandon Guyer, Jovan Rosa, Starlin Castro, Junior Lake, Dae-Eun Rhee, James Russell?

I was thinking more Hernandez and Suarez.

 

Forgot Suarez and was going to go in and edit him in, not sure how valuable Robert Hernandez is.

 

Welington Castillo? Marquez Smith? Ryan Flaherty?

 

Castillo is in AA so I ommitted him. I think he'd be a pretty valuable trade chip, especially compared to everyone else I listed sans Vitters.

 

Didn't count Flaherty (or Carpenter, Jackson, etc.) because they were signed less than a year ago.

[Guest]

Rosenthal keeps talking about Cubs prospects in the lower minors. Lets start some speculation on who that might be.

 

Josh Vitters, Drew Rundle. Tony Thomas, Brandon Guyer, Jovan Rosa, Starlin Castro, Junior Lake, Dae-Eun Rhee, James Russell?

 

ETA: Larry Suarez, Robert Hernandez.

 

Man, that's a lot of guys I couldn't care less about losing.(+Vitters, Rhee, Suarez, and Hernandez)

 

What do you expect in one of the 5 worst farm system in the league?

[Outshined_One]

Cant they make him a PTBNL?

 

Potentially, but the problem with PTBNLs at this point in the season is that you never know where a guy will end up come June/July. If they make Flaherty a PTBNL and he's out for the season with a torn hamstring come June/July, the Padres will look like morons.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

That the talks are ongoing probably. De Luca said Pads officials had dinner last night to talk about our players, so it's obvious that nothing has been decided on.

 

Admittedly, I don't know a whole bunch on Reyes and Morton(can't find a way to navigate back to BA's last years top 10's for some reason), but is there that big of a difference between them and Marshall? If that is somewhat close, I could see the Padres wanting Pie over Escobar with how valuable his glove could be in Petco.

 

 

I liked Reyes when he pitched in Mississippi at AA, but he's been highly inconsistent in his stints with Atlanta. Morton also looked poor in his call-up as well. They are both younger than Marshall, and in Reyes case were more highly regarded as a prospect.

 

I'd think teams would value Marshall over Reyes, but Reyes is younger and is regarded as having better stuff. Marshall is a more proven performer.

 

Escobar is likely the centerpiece of the deal. Whether Reyes, Escobar and a prospect is better than what we could put together depends a lot on who that other prospect is. If it's Jordan Shaeffer, he's probably regarded as better than Pie, though I have my doubts. I think Pie is better defensively and both have problems with not taking a walk.

 

If the Braves offer Escobar + Shaeffer + Reyes, that would trump a Cubs offer of Cedeno, Marshall, and Pie. The Cubs would have to add quite a sweetner to get it done over that.

[Cubswin11]

Cant they make him a PTBNL?

 

Potentially, but the problem with PTBNLs at this point in the season is that you never know where a guy will end up come June/July. If they make Flaherty a PTBNL and he's out for the season with a torn hamstring come June/July, the Padres will look like morons.

Well we could do what the Brewers did with CC they had a PTBNL and gave the Indians two choices between michael brantley and taylor green. We could give them 3 choices say they can pick from Flaherty, Carpenter or Jackson. That way they get time to scout them over most of the summer and pick who they think is the best one.

[JimSorgi]

I really hate myself for reading this thread. I know I'm going to get all excited and then be really depressed when nothing happens.

[SouthSideRyan]

Cant they make him a PTBNL?

 

Potentially, but the problem with PTBNLs at this point in the season is that you never know where a guy will end up come June/July. If they make Flaherty a PTBNL and he's out for the season with a torn hamstring come June/July, the Padres will look like morons.

Well we could do what the Brewers did with CC they had a PTBNL and gave the Indians two choices between michael brantley and taylor green. We could give them 3 choices say they can pick from Flaherty, Carpenter or Jackson. That way they get time to scout them over most of the summer and pick who they think is the best one.

 

And then when Jay Jackson has a 0.26 ERA on July 1st, the Cubs look like morons.

[Cubswin11]

I really hate myself for reading this thread. I know I'm going to get all excited and then be really depressed when nothing happens.

I know I have the same feeling, I saw that fake article post and had a accounting test like 15 minutes after it go posted it was hard for me to focus during the test because I kept thinking about how we got Peavy and I was thinking what the trade was(who's involved, third team?, etc.) I just wanted to get back to the computer to read up on it and then when I get back it was obvious it was a fake post.

[Outshined_One]

Cant they make him a PTBNL?

 

Potentially, but the problem with PTBNLs at this point in the season is that you never know where a guy will end up come June/July. If they make Flaherty a PTBNL and he's out for the season with a torn hamstring come June/July, the Padres will look like morons.

Well we could do what the Brewers did with CC they had a PTBNL and gave the Indians two choices between michael brantley and taylor green. We could give them 3 choices say they can pick from Flaherty, Carpenter or Jackson. That way they get time to scout them over most of the summer and pick who they think is the best one.

 

Again, you risk the same problem. Because these guys are recent draftees, there's not much of a track record on which these teams can go on. The Indians at least had a book on Brantley and Green built up before they submitted both names to the Brewers in the PTBNL pool since both had played in the minors for a few years. They also had time to more thoroughly scout both before consummating the Sabathia deal.

 

Teams don't have that luxury in these kinds of offseason deals. It's not like the Padres can send a ton of scouts to catch Jay Jackson's next start, you know? They only have a limited book on these guys.

 

I'm not saying it can't happen. I'm just saying it's really unlikely and a bad decision to make for the Padres.

[Cubswin11]

Cant they make him a PTBNL?

 

Potentially, but the problem with PTBNLs at this point in the season is that you never know where a guy will end up come June/July. If they make Flaherty a PTBNL and he's out for the season with a torn hamstring come June/July, the Padres will look like morons.

Well we could do what the Brewers did with CC they had a PTBNL and gave the Indians two choices between michael brantley and taylor green. We could give them 3 choices say they can pick from Flaherty, Carpenter or Jackson. That way they get time to scout them over most of the summer and pick who they think is the best one.

 

And then when Jay Jackson has a 0.26 ERA on July 1st, the Cubs look like morons.

Will it really look that stupid when Peavy has 12-15 wins at the ASB? Would you really not make a trade for a top 5 MLB pitcher arguably top 3 if all that was holding it up was Jay Jackson?

[RedFlash]

4:05pm: Ken Rosenthal has an update of the names that are being offered by the Braves for Peavy. According to Rosenthal, the Braves are offering Yunel Escobar, either Jo-Jo Reyes or Charlie Morton and an unnamed player believed to be a top prospect. Rosenthal does not have any details on the Cubs' package but notes that it is likely to be "fluid".

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

 

The Padres cannot be serious if that is the offer they like from the Braves. Neither Reyes or Morton has ever been considered high caliber arms (neither has ever been ranked in the Top 10 in the Braves systsem. I mean if the Cubs can't beat a package that includes Reyes or Morton then they don't deserve Peavy.

[illiniguy]

4:05pm: Ken Rosenthal has an update of the names that are being offered by the Braves for Peavy. According to Rosenthal, the Braves are offering Yunel Escobar, either Jo-Jo Reyes or Charlie Morton and an unnamed player believed to be a top prospect. Rosenthal does not have any details on the Cubs' package but notes that it is likely to be "fluid".

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

 

The Padres cannot be serious if that is the offer they like from the Braves. Neither Reyes or Morton has ever been considered high caliber arms (neither has ever been ranked in the Top 10 in the Braves systsem. I mean if the Cubs can't beat a package that includes Reyes or Morton then they don't deserve Peavy.

They can, Josh Vitters alone should beat that. This should come down to if the Braves will include Jason Heyward. If they do we can't top that. If not with Vitters and Marshall we have better pieces for this trade.

[Elrhino]

JimSorgi wrote: I really hate myself for reading this thread. I know I'm going to get all excited and then be really depressed when nothing happens.

 

After previously viewing this as the longest of long shots, I now realize that Hendry is masterfully doing just enough to get my hopes up to make me resentful and view the rest of the offseason in contempt when it doesn't happen.

[Roast]

JimSorgi wrote: I really hate myself for reading this thread. I know I'm going to get all excited and then be really depressed when nothing happens.

 

After previously viewing this as the longest of long shots, I now realize that Hendry is masterfully doing just enough to get my hopes up to make me resentful and view the rest of the offseason in contempt when it doesn't happen.

Yep. Which is why I refuse to get excited about this.

[RedFlash]

JimSorgi wrote: I really hate myself for reading this thread. I know I'm going to get all excited and then be really depressed when nothing happens.

 

After previously viewing this as the longest of long shots, I now realize that Hendry is masterfully doing just enough to get my hopes up to make me resentful and view the rest of the offseason in contempt when it doesn't happen.

Yep. Which is why I refuse to get excited about this.

 

Yep.

[UMFan83]

If the Cubs can pull off a trade for Peavy, 4 months after pulling off a trade for Harden, both times after being told there was no way we had the players to get it done, it definitely goes to show you there you will always have the players needed to get it done, as long as you are willing to part.

 

I still think the Padres could care less about our prospects and are trying to drive up the price of the Braves offer.

[RammyFanny]

Jake Peavy: Trade Could Happen Soon - 11/6/2008 2:36:26 PM

 

Update:

Peavy could be traded by Monday to either the Cubs or Braves, ESPN-AM 1000 in Chicago is reporting.

 

Recommendation:

The talks have intensified on Thursday between the two teams at the baseball GMs meeting in Las Vegas. The Braves are supposedly offering several prospects while the talks with the Cubs have included the likes of pitcher Sean Marshall, outfielder Felix Pie and infielder Roger Cedeno.

http://www.rotowire.com/roto_to_gnews.htm?ID=274177&sport=mlb

 

Good thing we have Roger Cedeno on this team.

And anyway, if Yunel Escobar gets moved – the rumor we heard this morning was Jake Peavy for Escobar, Gorkys Hernandez and a young pitcher not named Tommy Hanson – then that means Johnson’s off the market.

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/NickPiecoro/38442

[chuckywang]

LOL at Roger Cedeno.