Jake Peavy: Available.

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http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-peavydeal110608&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

 

Yahoo! Sports says the Padres have asked for Samardzija as the centerpiece.

 

No, Jim. No.

 

Why not? I'd give up Jeff Samardzija for Jake Peavy in a heartbeat. Even if Samardzija reached his ceiling, which is pretty unlikely, he'll never be as good at pitching as Jake Peavy.

 

While Shark did look pretty awesome in his first few relief appearences, he has only had marginal success in both AA and AAA, and ts still unknown if he'll be able to make it as a starter, especially snce his off speed stuff isnt there. Its not like Peavys a rent-a-player, hes signed through 2012 with an option for 2013.

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I know that the Pads would prefer not sending Peavy to a divsion rival, but if the Dodgers were to offer Kershaw+ Ethier or Kemp, would the Cubs or Braves be able tobeat that?

 

The Dodgers would never trade Kershaw for Peavy and certainly not Kershaw + Eithier or kemp.

 

If Khalil Greene enters the mix they could. If they dont end up over paying for Furcal, the Dodgers dont have a definite choice for short stop, and that way, they could use that money toward over paying for Manny instead.

 

So Khalil Greene will make the Dodgers want to trade super prospect Clayton Kershaw?

 

The Dodgers aren't trading Kershaw, and they definitely aren't trading him to a team in their own division. It's just not happening.

[mopapa]

How did Samardzija get a no trade clause? I thought that was pretty much reserved for established, upper echelon stars.

[shnsajax]

How did Samardzija get a no trade clause? I thought that was pretty much reserved for established, upper echelon stars.

 

With the NFL calling and him pretty much only wanting to play for the Cubs, he had a lot of leverage.

[mikeyt34]

How did Samardzija get a no trade clause? I thought that was pretty much reserved for established, upper echelon stars.

 

It might have had something to do with him possibly going into the NFL draft, so the Cubs sweetened the deal?

 

Here's an article about his signing, although it's kind of vague about the reason he was given a no trade clause.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2736354

Edited November 7, 2008 by mikeyt34

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How did Samardzija get a no trade clause? I thought that was pretty much reserved for established, upper echelon stars.

 

It might have had something to do with him possibly going into the NFL draft, so the Cubs sweetend the deal?

 

Here's an article about his signing, although it's kind of vague about the reason he was given a no trade clause.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2736354

 

Yup. he was drafted in the 5th round I believe, and he was considering passing and entering the NFL draft, but the Cubs didnt want to let him walked, so they gave him a ridiculous deal for a 5th rounder with an NTC.

[TheDude]

I'd have to say I'm pretty ok exchanging Marquis for Peavy in a rotation that had the 2nd best ERA in baseball last year (and highest K rate, and lowest BA against).

 

Zambrano, Peavy, Harden, re-signed Dempster, and Lilly? Holy mother of god puss puss.

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Heres the latest rotowold snippet

 

Yahoo! Sports' Jeff Passan says the Cubs have moved ahead of the Braves in the Jake Peavy trade talks.

 

The Padres are reportedly asking for Jeff Samardzija, Felix Pie, Sean Marshall and Ronny Cedeno for Peavy. Getting Samardzija might be more trouble than it's worth considering there are still questions about how he'll fit for the long term. If the Padres want him, then it might result in either Pie or Marshall being taken out of the deal. Without Samadrzija involved, perhaps they could get Pie, Marshall, Cedeno and a couple of younger guys, with Donald Veal, Tyler Colvin and Jose Ceda among the possibilities. The names of Rich Hill, Mike Fontenot and Kevin Hart could also come up. Petco would seem to be the perfect place to try to get Hill turned around.

[mikeyt34]

Personally I'm one for always trading unproven talent with "potential", for an established MLB veteran superstar. You know what you are getting with Peavy. However, Shark, Ceda, Veal, Vitters, etc. are unproven to this point. Do what you have to, to get a talent like Peavy, and worry about restocking down the road. It's a freakin' Catch 22, but damn Peavy is good.

 

Give them Shark, Pie, Ceda, and maybe Fontenot. Maybe too much? I would hate to give up Shark, but Peavy in a Cub uniform for the next several years in his prime, and with a one two punch of Z and Peavy, would keep the Cubs in contention for years to come. At least competetive.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If all it takes is Shark, Pie, Cedeno, and Marshall for Peavy, I'd do that deal right now assuming Shark's NTC doesn't get in the way. Cedeno is to inconsistent for my taste and if we shift Fukudome to CF, Pie will once again be a bench player or rot in Iowa. The upgrade to our rotation would be immense with Peavy. I don't have much confidence in Shark as a starter, and I think we could find guys to fill the spot in the pen.

 

If we get Peavy, he anchors a top three of himself, Zambrano, and Harden with Lilly and Marquis bringing up the rear. The Cubs could then decide to spend money on Dempster or Wood or using what they would spend on those pitchers to go after someone like Dunn for the OF or Furcal for the infield.

[mikeyt34]

I'd have to say I'm pretty ok exchanging Marquis for Peavy in a rotation that had the 2nd best ERA in baseball last year (and highest K rate, and lowest BA against).

 

Zambrano, Peavy, Harden, re-signed Dempster, and Lilly? Holy mother of god puss puss.

 

That is scary. A 16 game winner as your 5th starter.

 

Actually my rotation would be 1. Peavy 2. Zambrano 3. Dempster 4. Lilly 5. Harden. Until Harden proves he can stay healthy and can go every turn, you should send him down to the 5th spot and rest him from time to time. The Cubs could possibly win over 100 games with that. The other teams in the Central have to be Howrying their pants if this deal goes down.

 

The problem is, who is going to show up to hit the FREAKING ball in the post season. :cry:

[Soul]

I'd have to say I'm pretty ok exchanging Marquis for Peavy in a rotation that had the 2nd best ERA in baseball last year (and highest K rate, and lowest BA against).

 

Zambrano, Peavy, Harden, re-signed Dempster, and Lilly? Holy mother of god puss puss.

 

That is scary. A 16 game winner as your 5th starter.

 

Actually my rotation would be 1. Peavy 2. Zambrano 3. Dempster 4. Lilly 5. Harden. Until Harden proves he can stay healthy and can go every turn, you should send him down to the 5th spot and rest him from time to time. The Cubs could possibly win over 100 games with that. The other teams in the Central have to be Howrying their pants if this deal goes down.

 

The problem is, who is going to show up to hit the FREAKING ball in the post season. :cry:

 

An as-of-now-undetermined lefty bat of consequence?

[PrimeTime]

This just on Roto.. Just come to the Cubs if you want to come to a contender..Simple enough

 

According to the San Diego Union Tribune, Jake Peavy and his agent have decided that they'd like Yunel Escobar to remain with the Braves if Peavy is traded to Atlanta.

In other words, Peavy wouldn't want his potential new team to be weakened by the trade to get him. "One of the things we will want to look at some point is, 'Who are you giving up? How much are you weakening your team to make this deal?'" agent Barry Axelrod said. "If Team X trades three starting pitchers and a starting shortstop to get Jake Peavy, that lessens their chance of being a successful team." Peavy demanding that the team dealing for him keeps all of its MLB talent would make life a lot tougher on Padres general manager Kevin Towers.

[mikeyt34]

I'd have to say I'm pretty ok exchanging Marquis for Peavy in a rotation that had the 2nd best ERA in baseball last year (and highest K rate, and lowest BA against).

 

Zambrano, Peavy, Harden, re-signed Dempster, and Lilly? Holy mother of god puss puss.

 

That is scary. A 16 game winner as your 5th starter.

 

Actually my rotation would be 1. Peavy 2. Zambrano 3. Dempster 4. Lilly 5. Harden. Until Harden proves he can stay healthy and can go every turn, you should send him down to the 5th spot and rest him from time to time. The Cubs could possibly win over 100 games with that. The other teams in the Central have to be Howrying their pants if this deal goes down.

 

The problem is, who is going to show up to hit the FREAKING ball in the post season. :cry:

 

An as-of-now-undetermined lefty bat of consequence?

 

Let just say if the Cubs get Peavy. :beg: Take the money they were going to spend on Dempster and sign Raul Ibanez to play right. Platoon Fukie and Reed in CF. Sign Woody back as the closer. Pick up another decent arm for the bullpen. Pick up another utility infielder. Marquis, Hill, or Veal is your 5th starter. They are set, don't ya think?

[gflore34]

Should this trade go down might it be wiser to let Dempster walk and take the pick?

[David]

I'd have to say I'm pretty ok exchanging Marquis for Peavy in a rotation that had the 2nd best ERA in baseball last year (and highest K rate, and lowest BA against).

 

Zambrano, Peavy, Harden, re-signed Dempster, and Lilly? Holy mother of god puss puss.

 

That is scary. A 16 game winner as your 5th starter.

 

Actually my rotation would be 1. Peavy 2. Zambrano 3. Dempster 4. Lilly 5. Harden. Until Harden proves he can stay healthy and can go every turn, you should send him down to the 5th spot and rest him from time to time. The Cubs could possibly win over 100 games with that. The other teams in the Central have to be Howrying their pants if this deal goes down.

 

The problem is, who is going to show up to hit the FREAKING ball in the post season. :cry:

 

The actual order of those guys means absolutely nothing (except in the playoffs), but Harden is the second best (you could even make a case for the best, but I wouldn't) pitcher in that rotation.

[mopapa]

I'd have to say I'm pretty ok exchanging Marquis for Peavy in a rotation that had the 2nd best ERA in baseball last year (and highest K rate, and lowest BA against).

 

Zambrano, Peavy, Harden, re-signed Dempster, and Lilly? Holy mother of god puss puss.

 

That is scary. A 16 game winner as your 5th starter.

 

Actually my rotation would be 1. Peavy 2. Zambrano 3. Dempster 4. Lilly 5. Harden. Until Harden proves he can stay healthy and can go every turn, you should send him down to the 5th spot and rest him from time to time. The Cubs could possibly win over 100 games with that. The other teams in the Central have to be Howrying their pants if this deal goes down.

 

The problem is, who is going to show up to hit the FREAKING ball in the post season. :cry:

 

An as-of-now-undetermined lefty bat of consequence?

 

Let just say if the Cubs get Peavy. :beg: Take the money they were going to spend on Dempster and sign Raul Ibanez to play right. Platoon Fukie and Reed in CF. Sign Woody back as the closer. Pick up another decent arm for the bullpen. Pick up another utility infielder. Marquis, Hill, or Veal is your 5th starter. They are set, don't ya think?

 

Sounds good to me. I'm not familiar with Ibanez, but from what I've read about him, he sounds like a decent player. I like this one.

[jyoung55]

This just on Roto.. Just come to the Cubs if you want to come to a contender..Simple enough

 

According to the San Diego Union Tribune, Jake Peavy and his agent have decided that they'd like Yunel Escobar to remain with the Braves if Peavy is traded to Atlanta.

In other words, Peavy wouldn't want his potential new team to be weakened by the trade to get him. "One of the things we will want to look at some point is, 'Who are you giving up? How much are you weakening your team to make this deal?'" agent Barry Axelrod said. "If Team X trades three starting pitchers and a starting shortstop to get Jake Peavy, that lessens their chance of being a successful team." Peavy demanding that the team dealing for him keeps all of its MLB talent would make life a lot tougher on Padres general manager Kevin Towers.

 

Well if Peavy sticks to his guns, this really makes the Cubs the favorite to land him.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If the Cubs were to get Peavy for a deal of Shark, Marshall, Pie, and Cedeno; I'd like the Cubs to use the money they would spend on Dempster to sign Furcal, move Theriot to second in a platoon with Fontenot, and use DeRosa in RF. I'd then look to upgrade the bullpen with whatever is left over.

[mikeyt34]

Should this trade go down might it be wiser to let Dempster walk and take the pick?

 

Yes and the save money to sign a left handed bat i.e Dunn or Ibanez. Edit: Or Vance's idea about Furcal is good too. Although Furcal seems to have had some injury issues as of late so that would concern me some.

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Now this is officially Roberts: Part II. I e-mailed Churchill from Prospect Insider (he has a Cubs contact) for the first time since last offseason to ask what he's heard. He says it sounds like Atlanta is going to get him... even without Hanson or Yunel. Here's to 4/60 for Ryan Dempster and a 1.38 WHIP next season. Edited November 7, 2008 by 17 Seconds

[rchap24]

I'd have to say I'm pretty ok exchanging Marquis for Peavy in a rotation that had the 2nd best ERA in baseball last year (and highest K rate, and lowest BA against).

 

Zambrano, Peavy, Harden, re-signed Dempster, and Lilly? Holy mother of god puss puss.

 

That is scary. A 16 game winner as your 5th starter.

 

Actually my rotation would be 1. Peavy 2. Zambrano 3. Dempster 4. Lilly 5. Harden. Until Harden proves he can stay healthy and can go every turn, you should send him down to the 5th spot and rest him from time to time. The Cubs could possibly win over 100 games with that. The other teams in the Central have to be Howrying their pants if this deal goes down.

 

The problem is, who is going to show up to hit the FREAKING ball in the post season. :cry:

 

An as-of-now-undetermined lefty bat of consequence?

 

Let just say if the Cubs get Peavy. :beg: Take the money they were going to spend on Dempster and sign Raul Ibanez to play right. Platoon Fukie and Reed in CF. Sign Woody back as the closer. Pick up another decent arm for the bullpen. Pick up another utility infielder. Marquis, Hill, or Veal is your 5th starter. They are set, don't ya think?

 

Sounds fine to me

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Bruce weighs in.

 

Link.

 

The Cubs believe they can get a deal done without involving a third team. The Padres are looking for young talent, and Cubs names out there have included lefty Sean Marshall, center fielder Felix Pie, infielder Ronny Cedeno and minor-league pitcher Jose Ceda, whom the Cubs obtained from the Padres in a July 2006 trade for infielder Todd Walker.

 

 

Insiders say the Padres have thrown a host of other possibilities at the Cubs. Among the most attractive Cubs minor-leaguers are catcher Welington Castillo, third baseman Josh Vitters and pitcher Mitch Atkins.

[mikeyt34]

Now this is officially Roberts: Part II. I e-mailed Churchill from Prospect Insider (he has a Cubs contact) for the first time since last offseason to ask what he's heard. He says it sounds like Atlanta is going to get him... even without Hanson or Yunel. Here's to 4/60 for Ryan Dempster and a 1.38 WHIP next season.

 

But wouldn't this rumor have to last through spring training and into the first week of the season to be considered "Roberts Part II"? This won't last nearly as long. There wasn't pressure to trade Roberts from Baltimore's side last year, but San Diego is determined to get a deal done, whether it's with the Cubs, Braves, or whoever.

[Tyrant]

Vitters would be hard to trade, but if he's the main piece that gets Peavy, it's hard to not do the deal.