Jake Peavy: Available.

[Warren Brusstar]

According to Jeff Passen, the Padres want Samardzjia -- whose NTC is described a source as "limited"

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-peavydeal110608&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

 

If true, that would be some serious egg on the face of every poster who has shouted down the idea of trading Samardzjia the last few years because of his NTC.

[jersey cubs fan]

The Braves are in a rebuilding phase right now. They were 20 games back last year. If he wants to come to a place where a sub 3 ERA won't net you a losing record in 30 starts, then come to Chicago Jake!

 

They were 20 games back because they had an insanely large amount of significant injuries. If they get Peavy and make a couple other moves they will compete for the division in 2009.

 

And the significant injuries were to oft-injured soon-to-be 37 year old Chipper Jones, nearly dead John Smoltz, always injured Mike Hampton, already dead Tom Glavine and it was bound to happen sooner or later Tim Hudson. You can assume another 40 innings out of Hudson next year, but none of those other major injuries were at all flukish or unexpected, and they can't expect any of them to produce more in 2009 than they did in 2008. Atlanta needs a lot of help.

 

There were a lot more injuries than those guys you mentioned.

 

Those were the ones that made a difference. Name guys who were flukishly injured that can be expected to return healthy next year and perform better than they did this year. That's the only way you can pretend they are a couple moves away from contending again.

[David]

Yea, I really don't get this resign Dempster idea if we get Peavy, unless he is willing to give the Cubs a significant hometown deal (in years and value).

 

I caught about 5 minutes of CSN Sportsnite last night, and somebody mentioned it was an either/or proposition. I can't imagine them having both.

 

Some people are insisting it's either or (like that CSN report) and others are insisting they want both (Levine, Rosenthal)....

[BigbadB]

Yea, I really don't get this resign Dempster idea if we get Peavy, unless he is willing to give the Cubs a significant hometown deal (in years and value).

 

I gotta think if this was Dempster' intent he wouldn't have opted to test the open market.

 

Leverage. Dempster loves Chicago, but Chicago needs to pony up to his demands. There is only so much love you can give.

[jersey cubs fan]

According to Jeff Passen, the Padres want Samardzjia -- whose NTC is described a source as "limited"

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-peavydeal110608&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

 

If true, that would be some serious egg on the face of every poster who has shouted down the idea of trading Samardzjia the last few years because of his NTC.

 

That's just plain old stupid. How is that serious egg on the face? Samardzija has a no trade clause, we know that. That makes it difficult to trade him, but not impossible. We know that. There's no egg on the face for pointing that out and still seeing a guy traded.

[David]

I don't think we were ever told that it was limited either. I'm pretty sure we were under the impression that it was a full NTC, but I could be wrong.

[jersey cubs fan]

Yea, I really don't get this resign Dempster idea if we get Peavy, unless he is willing to give the Cubs a significant hometown deal (in years and value).

 

I gotta think if this was Dempster' intent he wouldn't have opted to test the open market.

 

Leverage. Dempster loves Chicago, but Chicago needs to pony up to his demands. There is only so much love you can give.

 

Dempster may offer a hometown discount from his free market value, but the only way you find out your free market value is by testing the open market. If the Cubs were offering 3/30 last month, but free agency could net him 5/75, he could still sign with the Cubs for less and get credit for offering a discount.

[BigbadB]

Yea, I really don't get this resign Dempster idea if we get Peavy, unless he is willing to give the Cubs a significant hometown deal (in years and value).

 

I gotta think if this was Dempster' intent he wouldn't have opted to test the open market.

 

Leverage. Dempster loves Chicago, but Chicago needs to pony up to his demands. There is only so much love you can give.

 

Dempster may offer a hometown discount from his free market value, but the only way you find out your free market value is by testing the open market. If the Cubs were offering 3/30 last month, but free agency could net him 5/75, he could still sign with the Cubs for less and get credit for offering a discount.

 

Exactly.

[Warren Brusstar]

According to Jeff Passen, the Padres want Samardzjia -- whose NTC is described a source as "limited"

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-peavydeal110608&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

 

If true, that would be some serious egg on the face of every poster who has shouted down the idea of trading Samardzjia the last few years because of his NTC.

 

That's just plain old stupid. How is that serious egg on the face? Samardzija has a no trade clause, we know that. That makes it difficult to trade him, but not impossible. We know that. There's no egg on the face for pointing that out and still seeing a guy traded.

 

Poster A: We should trade Samardzjia, Player B, and Player C

Poster B: NTC. He can't be traded.

 

If it turns out that the NTC doesn't limit certain trades -- such as one to the Padres -- Poster B was actively wrong. Thus, egg-in-the-face.

[TruffleShuffle]

what would be the point of resigning dempster? we already have zambrano, harden, lilly, peavy, marquis. and if someone gets hurt then there's marshall and maybe gaudin. if they have more money to blow, upgrade the offense at that point, not the starting pitching.

[David]

According to Jeff Passen, the Padres want Samardzjia -- whose NTC is described a source as "limited"

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-peavydeal110608&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

 

If true, that would be some serious egg on the face of every poster who has shouted down the idea of trading Samardzjia the last few years because of his NTC.

 

That's just plain old stupid. How is that serious egg on the face? Samardzija has a no trade clause, we know that. That makes it difficult to trade him, but not impossible. We know that. There's no egg on the face for pointing that out and still seeing a guy traded.

 

Poster A: We should trade Samardzjia, Player B, and Player C

Poster B: NTC. He can't be traded.

 

If it turns out that the NTC doesn't limit certain trades -- such as one to the Padres -- Poster B was actively wrong. Thus, egg-in-the-face.

 

Everybody knows that NTC's can be waived. Even full ones. It's just obviously a lot easier to discuss potential trades without speculating on whether or not a player would waive one. It just adds more uncertainty into the mix.

[BigbadB]

The biggest loser in all of this is going to be the Padres. The leverage that Peavy possesses right now is San Diego's fault. The one thing that a small market team was afforded when it was time to move the high price tags was return talent that could potentially make them a competitive team again within short order. The NTC clause makes this a significant loss for the Padres.

 

I can't imagine the list of suitors for Peavy if he didn't have an NTC, and what the Padres might net in return if there were 29 teams in the hunt.

[jersey cubs fan]

actively wrong?

[rawaction]

According to Jeff Passen, the Padres want Samardzjia -- whose NTC is described a source as "limited"

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-peavydeal110608&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

 

If true, that would be some serious egg on the face of every poster who has shouted down the idea of trading Samardzjia the last few years because of his NTC.

 

That's just plain old stupid. How is that serious egg on the face? Samardzija has a no trade clause, we know that. That makes it difficult to trade him, but not impossible. We know that. There's no egg on the face for pointing that out and still seeing a guy traded.

 

Poster A: We should trade Samardzjia, Player B, and Player C

Poster B: NTC. He can't be traded.

 

If it turns out that the NTC doesn't limit certain trades -- such as one to the Padres -- Poster B was actively wrong. Thus, egg-in-the-face.

 

That's like saying their's egg on the face of people who thought Pi stopped at 3.14. With the knowledge we all have/had, saying Samardzija can't be traded without his consent was very true.

[shnsajax]

According to Jeff Passen, the Padres want Samardzjia -- whose NTC is described a source as "limited"

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-peavydeal110608&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

 

If true, that would be some serious egg on the face of every poster who has shouted down the idea of trading Samardzjia the last few years because of his NTC.

 

That's just plain old stupid. How is that serious egg on the face? Samardzija has a no trade clause, we know that. That makes it difficult to trade him, but not impossible. We know that. There's no egg on the face for pointing that out and still seeing a guy traded.

 

Poster A: We should trade Samardzjia, Player B, and Player C

Poster B: NTC. He can't be traded.

 

If it turns out that the NTC doesn't limit certain trades -- such as one to the Padres -- Poster B was actively wrong. Thus, egg-in-the-face.

 

Serious egg in the face sounds a little funny. Its a message board, most people are wrong here more times than not. And when pretty much everyone here would gladly admit to being wrong in a trade to get Peavy.

[SouthSideRyan]

actively wrong?

 

Passively wrong is a wrong of omission.

[Handlebar McSkullet]

Dear god 38 pages already. I will calmly distance myself until it actually happens. I refuse to be sucked in like last year.

[Warren Brusstar]

According to Jeff Passen, the Padres want Samardzjia -- whose NTC is described a source as "limited"

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-peavydeal110608&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

 

If true, that would be some serious egg on the face of every poster who has shouted down the idea of trading Samardzjia the last few years because of his NTC.

 

That's just plain old stupid. How is that serious egg on the face? Samardzija has a no trade clause, we know that. That makes it difficult to trade him, but not impossible. We know that. There's no egg on the face for pointing that out and still seeing a guy traded.

 

Poster A: We should trade Samardzjia, Player B, and Player C

Poster B: NTC. He can't be traded.

 

If it turns out that the NTC doesn't limit certain trades -- such as one to the Padres -- Poster B was actively wrong. Thus, egg-in-the-face.

 

Serious egg in the face sounds a little funny. Its a message board, most people are wrong here more times than not. And when pretty much everyone here would gladly admit to being wrong in a trade to get Peavy.

 

Maybe there's a lesson there, i.e. it's imprudent to shout down trade proposals on the basis of a purported NTC in a contract that you have not read.

[BigbadB]

According to Jeff Passen, the Padres want Samardzjia -- whose NTC is described a source as "limited"

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-peavydeal110608&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

 

If true, that would be some serious egg on the face of every poster who has shouted down the idea of trading Samardzjia the last few years because of his NTC.

 

That's just plain old stupid. How is that serious egg on the face? Samardzija has a no trade clause, we know that. That makes it difficult to trade him, but not impossible. We know that. There's no egg on the face for pointing that out and still seeing a guy traded.

 

Poster A: We should trade Samardzjia, Player B, and Player C

Poster B: NTC. He can't be traded.

 

If it turns out that the NTC doesn't limit certain trades -- such as one to the Padres -- Poster B was actively wrong. Thus, egg-in-the-face.

 

That still doesn't justify egg on the face. Couldn't we just all be happy for ourselves if that trade happened?

 

It's childish to look for some avenue to say "I told you so, I told you so" instead of just joining in on the celebration that the Cubs are now a better team with Peavy.

[weis21]

If worse came to worse I'd probably do it, but I'd really hate to give up both Marshall and Samardzija. Not because their combined value is so great, but losing both our cheap 6th starter options at once would be tough to take.

True, but Gaudin could fill that role nicely if need be. If two injuries were to strike however, we may be in trouble.

 

What are the chances Gaudin spends 2009 anywhere but Lou Piniella's doghouse if he is even on the Cubs?

Gaudin only had a few really bad outings last year (with the cubs). I never heard that he was "in Lou's doghouse", I just assumed Piniella didn't have much faith in him since he looked bad coming back from his injury at the end of the year. Plus his problem wasn't with walks and Piniella could care less if a reliever gets shelled as long as he's not walking anyone (i.e. Howry, Wuertz).

 

Gaudin would be as good (if not better) than most teams number 5 starter and I have faith Lou knows that.

[Warren Brusstar]

According to Jeff Passen, the Padres want Samardzjia -- whose NTC is described a source as "limited"

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-peavydeal110608&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

 

If true, that would be some serious egg on the face of every poster who has shouted down the idea of trading Samardzjia the last few years because of his NTC.

 

That's just plain old stupid. How is that serious egg on the face? Samardzija has a no trade clause, we know that. That makes it difficult to trade him, but not impossible. We know that. There's no egg on the face for pointing that out and still seeing a guy traded.

 

Poster A: We should trade Samardzjia, Player B, and Player C

Poster B: NTC. He can't be traded.

 

If it turns out that the NTC doesn't limit certain trades -- such as one to the Padres -- Poster B was actively wrong. Thus, egg-in-the-face.

 

That still doesn't justify egg on the face. Couldn't we just all be happy for ourselves if that trade happened?

 

It's childish to look for some avenue to say "I told you so, I told you so" instead of just joining in on the celebration that the Cubs are now a better team with Peavy.

 

And it's presumptious to insist that a player's contract contains a NTC that impedes a trade proposal when you have not read the contract.

[SouthSideRyan]

He's in Lou's doghouse because he hurt himself while drunk, and then compounded it by walking people when he came back. Him and Kosuke are chained to the house.

[David]

That still doesn't justify egg on the face. Couldn't we just all be happy for ourselves if that trade happened?

 

It's childish to look for some avenue to say "I told you so, I told you so" instead of just joining in on the celebration that the Cubs are now a better team with Peavy.

 

 

Huh? What have YOU heard? :shock:

[Bruce Miles]

Samardzija has a FULL no-trade clause, and he in no way will be part of this deal. The Fontenot speculation is premature. The Cubs have not offered him. I don't know if the Padres have asked for him, but the Cubs don't want to trade him (but they would if the Pads insisted).

[Ski]

That still doesn't justify egg on the face. Couldn't we just all be happy for ourselves if that trade happened?

 

It's childish to look for some avenue to say "I told you so, I told you so" instead of just joining in on the celebration that the Cubs are now a better team with Peavy.

 

 

Huh? What have YOU heard? :shock:

I think he's just jumping the gun a bit.