8/31 Phillies (Moyer) @ Cubs (Marshall ) - 1:20 CT WGN TV

[Little Slide Rooter]

Lets get some...ah, forget it.

[UMFan83]

So CC is over worked because he averages a few more pitches per game? The entire top 20 on the list averages over 100 per game. So my question is the same as before. How is he more overworked than the others on the list. But the two cubs on the list are not? And a cub just missed a start for a dead arm? So some stat says that he pitches more than others and that is why he is overworked? Give me a break. Whatever makes fans of other teams feel good I guess. Most of the pitchers on that list are just good and pitch deeper into games. Shame on them for pitching more than others. The media has totally brain washed people into thinking the arm can't pitch more than a 100 now.

 

As for his playoff stats. Why is that deadarm? Maybe you just face really, really good competition and that has something to do with it?

 

Again thats not the point. What's the benefit of having him come into the 9th inning with 111 pitches thrown and a 7 run lead? To chase a silly 1 hitter? That's stupid. Whether you want to admit it or not, every pitcher that gets overworked will suffer. Every pitcher has different points where they get overworked, but they all do. There no need to find that point with a 7 run lead.

[SouthSideRyan]

So CC is over worked because he averages a few more pitches per game? The entire top 20 on the list averages over 100 per game. So my question is the same as before. How is he more overworked than the others on the list. But the two cubs on the list are not? And a cub just missed a start for a dead arm? So some stat says that he pitches more than others and that is why he is overworked? Give me a break. Whatever makes fans of other teams feel good I guess. Most of the pitchers on that list are just good and pitch deeper into games. Shame on them for pitching more than others. The media has totally brain washed people into thinking the arm can't pitch more than a 100 now.

 

As for his playoff stats. Why is that deadarm? Maybe you just face really, really good competition and that has something to do with it?

 

You're right.

 

It's smart for Yost to keep running your best pitcher out there for complete games in 6 or 7 run games.

 

This.

 

Can you give me some sort of defense here Brewersguy for why Sabathia should pitch with a 7 run lead? What is there to gain from it? Even if it's a 1% chance of wearing him down for the postseason, why do it?? Can the worst guy in the pen not get 3 outs before they give up 7 runs? It's flat out dumb.

[Guest]

So CC is over worked because he averages a few more pitches per game? The entire top 20 on the list averages over 100 per game. So my question is the same as before. How is he more overworked than the others on the list. But the two cubs on the list are not? And a cub just missed a start for a dead arm? So some stat says that he pitches more than others and that is why he is overworked? Give me a break. Whatever makes fans of other teams feel good I guess. Most of the pitchers on that list are just good and pitch deeper into games. Shame on them for pitching more than others. The media has totally brain washed people into thinking the arm can't pitch more than a 100 now.

 

As for his playoff stats. Why is that deadarm? Maybe you just face really, really good competition and that has something to do with it?

 

Zambrano's overworked too, but unlike what the Brewers are doing, the Cubs are pushing him back a couple days. They're also probably going to skip harden.

 

And yes, Lincecum is overworked. We've established that. I'm sure there are other guys as well. Point is, that the Brewers are playing for October right now. Their odds are around 90% at making the playoffs at this point. We don't know if CC's poor playoff starts were due to a dead arm. But they could have been. That's why it's stupid to run him out there for the eighth and ninth today when you're beating the hapless Pirates 7-0 after seven innings. Because it could affect him come playoff time.

[UMFan83]

I wonder if enough dumbass writers are out there to give Sabathia the Cy Young. If Webb doesn't finish strong, I'm thinking it's gonna happen.

 

I don't think he should win the Cy, but he's been easily the best pitcher in the NL during the time he's been in the NL

 

I wouldn't say easily. Harden's right there with him in terms of ERA and WHIP (was actually leading coming into today) but CC obviously throws more innings.

 

Yeah about 25 more innings over pretty much the same time period

[OleMissCub]

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[Guest]

I wonder if enough dumbass writers are out there to give Sabathia the Cy Young. If Webb doesn't finish strong, I'm thinking it's gonna happen.

 

Rule #1 of the BBWAA, there are always enough dumbass writers out there to make something happen. It's not coincidence that the association was headed by Schmuck for two years.

 

I can't wait for Cliff Lee to win the AL Cy Young because he ends up with something like 22 wins and 2 losses.

 

At least Lee has been the best starter in the AL this year.

[UMFan83]

Wow this pitcher went 3-0 on Reed and then threw 7 straight strikes past the Cubs hitters.

[BCVM22]

"Middle of the order" is somewhat misleading at this point, ainnit?

[UMFan83]

Wow...I am glad that this isn't the playoffs. We've sucked offensively this whole series....actually the last 5 games, save a great 8th inning on Thursday.

[razzzorsharp]

Again, the only reason CC went out is because he had a no hitter in Ned's mind. The pkay in question had LaRoche check swing one to the mound and CC instead of using his glove tries to pick it up and doesn't get the handle. The batter wouldn't have been close if CC evens gloves the ball. Should know next week the results of the appeal.

[Outshined_One]

I wonder if enough dumbass writers are out there to give Sabathia the Cy Young. If Webb doesn't finish strong, I'm thinking it's gonna happen.

 

Rule #1 of the BBWAA, there are always enough dumbass writers out there to make something happen. It's not coincidence that the association was headed by Schmuck for two years.

 

I can't wait for Cliff Lee to win the AL Cy Young because he ends up with something like 22 wins and 2 losses.

 

At least Lee has been the best starter in the AL this year.

 

He's having a great season, but at least 70% of the BBWAA are going to look at his W-L record and not bother looking at anything else he did.

[Brewers77]

So CC is over worked because he averages a few more pitches per game? The entire top 20 on the list averages over 100 per game. So my question is the same as before. How is he more overworked than the others on the list. But the two cubs on the list are not? And a cub just missed a start for a dead arm? So some stat says that he pitches more than others and that is why he is overworked? Give me a break. Whatever makes fans of other teams feel good I guess. Most of the pitchers on that list are just good and pitch deeper into games. Shame on them for pitching more than others. The media has totally brain washed people into thinking the arm can't pitch more than a 100 now.

 

As for his playoff stats. Why is that deadarm? Maybe you just face really, really good competition and that has something to do with it?

 

Zambrano's overworked too, but unlike what the Brewers are doing, the Cubs are pushing him back a couple days. They're also probably going to skip harden.

 

And yes, Lincecum is overworked. We've established that. I'm sure there are other guys as well. Point is, that the Brewers are playing for October right now. Their odds are around 90% at making the playoffs at this point. We don't know if CC's poor playoff starts were due to a dead arm. But they could have been. That's why it's stupid to run him out there for the eighth and ninth today when you're beating the hapless Pirates 7-0 after seven innings. Because it could affect him come playoff time.

 

Fair enough. I guess that is the chance they take and if CC didn't want to go out I am sure he would say so. It's not like they are forcing him out there. I think there is conversation and he wants to pitch. There is plenty of talk that goes on and he must win the battle between him and Ned. This isnt all on Ned. CC pushes for this as well. But I guess on your end you can hope he gets burnt out and that will be a benefit to the cubs. I agree it is useless but for whatever reason he goes back out there.

[Guest]

I wonder if enough dumbass writers are out there to give Sabathia the Cy Young. If Webb doesn't finish strong, I'm thinking it's gonna happen.

 

Rule #1 of the BBWAA, there are always enough dumbass writers out there to make something happen. It's not coincidence that the association was headed by Schmuck for two years.

 

I can't wait for Cliff Lee to win the AL Cy Young because he ends up with something like 22 wins and 2 losses.

 

At least Lee has been the best starter in the AL this year.

 

He's having a great season, but at least 70% of the BBWAA are going to look at his W-L record and not bother looking at anything else he did.

 

Yeah. Case of right conclusion, wrong process.

[Outshined_One]

They let Charles Manson throw out the first pitch?

[Guest]

So CC is over worked because he averages a few more pitches per game? The entire top 20 on the list averages over 100 per game. So my question is the same as before. How is he more overworked than the others on the list. But the two cubs on the list are not? And a cub just missed a start for a dead arm? So some stat says that he pitches more than others and that is why he is overworked? Give me a break. Whatever makes fans of other teams feel good I guess. Most of the pitchers on that list are just good and pitch deeper into games. Shame on them for pitching more than others. The media has totally brain washed people into thinking the arm can't pitch more than a 100 now.

 

As for his playoff stats. Why is that deadarm? Maybe you just face really, really good competition and that has something to do with it?

 

Zambrano's overworked too, but unlike what the Brewers are doing, the Cubs are pushing him back a couple days. They're also probably going to skip harden.

 

And yes, Lincecum is overworked. We've established that. I'm sure there are other guys as well. Point is, that the Brewers are playing for October right now. Their odds are around 90% at making the playoffs at this point. We don't know if CC's poor playoff starts were due to a dead arm. But they could have been. That's why it's stupid to run him out there for the eighth and ninth today when you're beating the hapless Pirates 7-0 after seven innings. Because it could affect him come playoff time.

 

Fair enough. I guess that is the chance they take and if CC didn't want to go out I am sure he would say so. It's not like they are forcing him out there. I think there is conversation and he wants to pitch. There is plenty of talk that goes on and he must win the battle between him and Ned. This isnt all on Ned. CC pushes for this as well. But I guess on your end you can hope he gets burnt out and that will be a benefit to the cubs. I agree it is useless but for whatever reason he goes back out there.

 

But that's why Ned Yost is the manager. No player is ever going to say "I can't do it". It's not in their vocabulary in these situations (if they're hurt, that's another thing altogether). That's why it's up to the manager to take him out.

 

But hey, that's Yost's M.O. and if CC lays an egg in the playoffs, Yost is going to get absolutely roasted for this.

Edited August 31, 2008 by soccer10k

[Careless]

So CC is over worked because he averages a few more pitches per game? The entire top 20 on the list averages over 100 per game. So my question is the same as before. How is he more overworked than the others on the list. But the two cubs on the list are not? And a cub just missed a start for a dead arm? So some stat says that he pitches more than others and that is why he is overworked? Give me a break. Whatever makes fans of other teams feel good I guess. Most of the pitchers on that list are just good and pitch deeper into games. Shame on them for pitching more than others. The media has totally brain washed people into thinking the arm can't pitch more than a 100 now.

 

As for his playoff stats. Why is that deadarm? Maybe you just face really, really good competition and that has something to do with it?

 

Zambrano's overworked too, but unlike what the Brewers are doing, the Cubs are pushing him back a couple days. They're also probably going to skip harden.

 

And yes, Lincecum is overworked. We've established that. I'm sure there are other guys as well. Point is, that the Brewers are playing for October right now. Their odds are around 90% at making the playoffs at this point. We don't know if CC's poor playoff starts were due to a dead arm. But they could have been. That's why it's stupid to run him out there for the eighth and ninth today when you're beating the hapless Pirates 7-0 after seven innings. Because it could affect him come playoff time.

 

Fair enough. I guess that is the chance they take and if CC didn't want to go out I am sure he would say so. It's not like they are forcing him out there. I think there is conversation and he wants to pitch. There is plenty of talk that goes on and he must win the battle between him and Ned. This isnt all on Ned. CC pushes for this as well. But I guess on your end you can hope he gets burnt out and that will be a benefit to the cubs. I agree it is useless but for whatever reason he goes back out there.

Pitchers always want to go back out (some old vets excluded). If they didn't, they wouldn't have made the majors. They all believe they are invincible, at least at frst. The manager's job is to make sure that their foolishness doesn't harm them and the team.

[UMFan83]

Again, the only reason CC went out is because he had a no hitter in Ned's mind. The pkay in question had LaRoche check swing one to the mound and CC instead of using his glove tries to pick it up and doesn't get the handle. The batter wouldn't have been close if CC evens gloves the ball. Should know next week the results of the appeal.

 

LOL, potentially overworking your pitcher because of a "possible no hitter" that would rely on a scorer changing his decision.

[CubColtPacer]

It's really too late for him in all likelihood..but Bob Howry has been pitching better lately.

 

His last 6 appearances:

 

7 IP, 6 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 5 K

[David]

Let's appeal the 20K game and turn that into a no hitter.

 

Orie should have made that play.

[Outshined_One]

Pitchers always want to go back out (some old vets excluded).

 

Greg Maddux's tee times come immediately to mind.

[kujay]

Guess they're not even going to bother with a fake rally today. Just as well, I guess.

[BCVM22]

Guess they're not even going to bother with a fake rally today. Just as well, I guess.

 

At this point, I'd welcome anything that indicates they're even attempting to score runs.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

So CC is over worked because he averages a few more pitches per game? The entire top 20 on the list averages over 100 per game. So my question is the same as before. How is he more overworked than the others on the list. But the two cubs on the list are not? And a cub just missed a start for a dead arm? So some stat says that he pitches more than others and that is why he is overworked? Give me a break. Whatever makes fans of other teams feel good I guess. Most of the pitchers on that list are just good and pitch deeper into games. Shame on them for pitching more than others. The media has totally brain washed people into thinking the arm can't pitch more than a 100 now.

 

As for his playoff stats. Why is that deadarm? Maybe you just face really, really good competition and that has something to do with it?

 

Whether CC is overworked or not really doesn't matter. The Cubs are a better team than the Brewers. The Cubs would beat them with a good CC or without one. It doesn't matter.

[kujay]

Nice hitting there Soto.

 

Now that goof Romero again?