8/13: Gm1 Cubs (Marquis) @ Braves (Morton) 12:10p CDT WGN

[Little Slide Rooter]

Doesnt Marquis have an absolutely dreadful history vs. the Braves?

 

Most of the current Braves have very little history against Marquis. Andruw Jones killed him, but he's moved on. Chipper has hit 3 home runs against him in only 6 at-bats. Overall though, there's no real idea if this Braves squad is a bad matchup for him.

 

every matchup is a bad matchup with marquis

 

That's not really true. Let's give Marquis credit for the good starts he's had. He's not a 65 ERA+ pitcher this year. He's a 95 ERA+ pitcher, which isn't really all that horrible for a #5. The Braves are no juggernaut this year, it's nothing like facing them when they were a playoff team.

 

The other thing is, he's been holding pretty steady through the year. Putting up some bad starts, then some mediocre ones, with a smattering of good starts. We're in mid August now, which is usually well past the time when Jason collapses. Hasn't happened yet. Let's hope it continues.

 

And if he does, Sean Marshall will be there waiting.

[Mizzou]

Doesnt Marquis have an absolutely dreadful history vs. the Braves?

 

Most of the current Braves have very little history against Marquis. Andruw Jones killed him, but he's moved on. Chipper has hit 3 home runs against him in only 6 at-bats. Overall though, there's no real idea if this Braves squad is a bad matchup for him.

 

every matchup is a bad matchup with marquis

 

That's not really true. Let's give Marquis credit for the good starts he's had. He's not a 65 ERA+ pitcher this year. He's a 95 ERA+ pitcher, which isn't really all that horrible for a #5. The Braves are no juggernaut this year, it's nothing like facing them when they were a playoff team.

 

The other thing is, he's been holding pretty steady through the year. Putting up some bad starts, then some mediocre ones, with a smattering of good starts. We're in mid August now, which is usually well past the time when Jason collapses. Hasn't happened yet. Let's hope it continues.

I agree with what you're saying. I take issue with the bolded part though. It's much better than "not all that horrible." For a number five starter, it's actually pretty great.

[Old Style]

From Harden to Marquis. Thanks rain.

 

Harden goes in the night game.

But won't be able to make his scheduled start on Sunday now.

[Soul]

Doesnt Marquis have an absolutely dreadful history vs. the Braves?

 

Most of the current Braves have very little history against Marquis. Andruw Jones killed him, but he's moved on. Chipper has hit 3 home runs against him in only 6 at-bats. Overall though, there's no real idea if this Braves squad is a bad matchup for him.

 

every matchup is a bad matchup with marquis

 

That's not really true. Let's give Marquis credit for the good starts he's had. He's not a 65 ERA+ pitcher this year. He's a 95 ERA+ pitcher, which isn't really all that horrible for a #5. The Braves are no juggernaut this year, it's nothing like facing them when they were a playoff team.

 

The other thing is, he's been holding pretty steady through the year. Putting up some bad starts, then some mediocre ones, with a smattering of good starts. We're in mid August now, which is usually well past the time when Jason collapses. Hasn't happened yet. Let's hope it continues.

I agree with what you're saying. I take issue with the bolded part though. It's much better than "not all that horrible." For a number five starter, it's actually pretty great.

 

Cool. I haven't done a league-wide comparison of #5's so I wouldn't really know for sure. I just figure if the back of my rotation is sitting around the 100 mark I'm doing pretty darn good.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Doesnt Marquis have an absolutely dreadful history vs. the Braves?

 

Most of the current Braves have very little history against Marquis. Andruw Jones killed him, but he's moved on. Chipper has hit 3 home runs against him in only 6 at-bats. Overall though, there's no real idea if this Braves squad is a bad matchup for him.

 

every matchup is a bad matchup with marquis

 

That's not really true. Let's give Marquis credit for the good starts he's had. He's not a 65 ERA+ pitcher this year. He's a 95 ERA+ pitcher, which isn't really all that horrible for a #5. The Braves are no juggernaut this year, it's nothing like facing them when they were a playoff team.

 

The other thing is, he's been holding pretty steady through the year. Putting up some bad starts, then some mediocre ones, with a smattering of good starts. We're in mid August now, which is usually well past the time when Jason collapses. Hasn't happened yet. Let's hope it continues.

I agree with what you're saying. I take issue with the bolded part though. It's much better than "not all that horrible." For a number five starter, it's actually pretty great.

 

With Marquis, its not so much complaining about what hes done so far this season, its his history of completely coming undone in the second half, and while it hasnt happened yet, its anticipating every time he steps on the mound. I guess Dempster hasnt reverted to bad Dempster, and doesnt seem to show any signs of doing so, so maybe theres hope for Marquis this season. With Rich Hill and Sean Marshall on the 2009 horizin, maybe Marquis can build up some OK trade value for the offseason. He could be a number 4 or maybe 3 starter on a lot of teams. Hell, he could be a number 2 on Washington.

[jyoung55]

We should've swept the St.L DH in 2003... that was the Moises bad foul call game... I was there. Everyone was calling home on their cellphones asking what the replay showed because they wouldn't show it at the park.

That was the epic 5-game set against the Cardinals ... the DH Game 2 was the only game the Cubs lost in that series.

 

That was one of the greatest regular season series I've ever witnessed. The loss in game 2 of the DH on some really poor umpiring really ignited the team the rest of the way. "The Cardinals came into Chicago thinking they were better than the Cubs. They left knowing they weren't."

 

I think it is about time for the 2008 spark to really kick things into high gear.

[C.C.]

I hate DH's.

[abuck1220]

Doesnt Marquis have an absolutely dreadful history vs. the Braves?

 

Most of the current Braves have very little history against Marquis. Andruw Jones killed him, but he's moved on. Chipper has hit 3 home runs against him in only 6 at-bats. Overall though, there's no real idea if this Braves squad is a bad matchup for him.

 

every matchup is a bad matchup with marquis

 

That's not really true. Let's give Marquis credit for the good starts he's had. He's not a 65 ERA+ pitcher this year. He's a 95 ERA+ pitcher, which isn't really all that horrible for a #5. The Braves are no juggernaut this year, it's nothing like facing them when they were a playoff team.

 

The other thing is, he's been holding pretty steady through the year. Putting up some bad starts, then some mediocre ones, with a smattering of good starts. We're in mid August now, which is usually well past the time when Jason collapses. Hasn't happened yet. Let's hope it continues.

I agree with what you're saying. I take issue with the bolded part though. It's much better than "not all that horrible." For a number five starter, it's actually pretty great.

 

it's not so great for a guy making $7 mil.

[UMFan83]

Look just because Marquis is decent for a number 5 starter doesn't mean we can't all be scared when he pitches.

[Soul]

Look just because Marquis is decent for a number 5 starter doesn't mean we can't all be scared when he pitches.

 

Is that from the same book as "just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you." ?

[Ski]

I hate doubleheaders, mainly because it feels doubly worse if we get swept, mixed feelings if we split, and doubly good if we win.

 

Game 1 will probably turn out like the Red Sox-Rangers game last night.

[Choonch]

The thing that I hate about DH's is that, unless it's followed by an off day, it just kills your bullpen for a few days.

[rawaction]

Who cares what number a starter Marquis is? Just because he's better (which hasn't been proven) than the worst guy on other teams doesn't make it any better. He's not compared to whoever happened to start the 5th game of the season for his team. He's compared to the rest of the pitchers in the league. And compared to the rest of the pitchers in the league, he's in the middle of the pack...AT BEST.

[rawaction]

The thing that I hate about DH's is that, unless it's followed by an off day, it just kills your bullpen for a few days.

 

Not if the starters pitch well and go deep into games.

[SouthSideRyan]

9/27 Game 1: W 4-2 vs. Pittsburgh

9/27 Game 2: W 7-2 vs. Pittsburgh

Ahh, good times.

 

Was that the day Rob Mackowiak's kid was born and he celebrated by beating the Cubs to death? That sucked.

 

I was at Game 1 of the Cards DH in 2003. Sosa with a walkoff. I think 90% of the Cubs team almost hit walkoffs in that game. I got home just in time to see the Alfonseca belly bump in the 2nd game. That bad call prevented a 5-game series sweep by the Cubs.

 

Wasn't Sosa's HR in like the 15th. I seem to remember an exuberant Chip Caray talking about how things were just getting started.

[Banedon]

I'm looking for the weekly Marquis argument thread... Is this the place?

 

*looks around*

 

It has potential.

[RammyFanny]

So for you weather buffs, does it look like we'll be good for the nomral start time? I thought I remembered reading in yesterdays thread that it'd be raining until 3 or something.

[UMFan83]

So for you weather buffs, does it look like we'll be good for the nomral start time? I thought I remembered reading in yesterdays thread that it'd be raining until 3 or something.

 

It's not raining in Atlanta, nor are there any threatening storms in the vicinity or approaching. There will be no delays in the games being played on time and in their entirety.

[Schwarber Fan]

1. A. Soriano, LF

2. K. Fukudome, RF

3. D. Lee, 1B

4. A. Ramirez, 3B

5. J. Edmonds, CF

6. M. DeRosa, 2B

7. G. Soto, C

8. R. Theriot, SS

9. J. Marquis, P

 

1. G. Blanco, RF

2. Y. Escobar, SS

3. C. Jones, 3B

4. B. McCann, C

5. C. Kotchman, 1B

6. O. Infante, LF

7. Kotsay, CF

8. K. Johnson, 2B

9. C. Morton, P

[kujay]

1. A. Soriano, LF

2. K. Fukudome, RF

3. D. Lee, 1B

4. A. Ramirez, 3B

5. J. Edmonds, CF

6. M. DeRosa, 2B

7. G. Soto, C

8. R. Theriot, SS

9. J. Marquis, P

 

So, this is Lou's attempt at, what, pysching out Kosuke into thinking he's a 2 hitter right now? :-k

[killthegoat06]

Who starts Sunday?

[ConstableRabbit]

Doesnt Marquis have an absolutely dreadful history vs. the Braves?

 

Most of the current Braves have very little history against Marquis. Andruw Jones killed him, but he's moved on. Chipper has hit 3 home runs against him in only 6 at-bats. Overall though, there's no real idea if this Braves squad is a bad matchup for him.

 

every matchup is a bad matchup with marquis

 

That's not really true. Let's give Marquis credit for the good starts he's had. He's not a 65 ERA+ pitcher this year. He's a 95 ERA+ pitcher, which isn't really all that horrible for a #5. The Braves are no juggernaut this year, it's nothing like facing them when they were a playoff team.

 

The other thing is, he's been holding pretty steady through the year. Putting up some bad starts, then some mediocre ones, with a smattering of good starts. We're in mid August now, which is usually well past the time when Jason collapses. Hasn't happened yet. Let's hope it continues.

I agree with what you're saying. I take issue with the bolded part though. It's much better than "not all that horrible." For a number five starter, it's actually pretty great.

 

it's not so great for a guy making $7 mil.

I hate to prove Banedon right here but this is the most annoying argument with regard to Marquis (not trying to pick on you, abuck).

 

Yes, his performance is not worth $7 million/year. However, Marquis is getting paid whether he pitches or sits on the bench for the rest of the season. Unless he's traded and his salary is taken up, it's a sunk cost for the Cubs.

If you want to say that Marshall is flat out better, fine.

If you want to say that he has more of a future with the Cubs, that he needs to be able to develop more as an MLB starter, that he will most likely be cheaper than Marquis in the future, fine.

However, Marquis is already under contract, and yes, his numbers are pretty good for a #5 starter. As much as I am not satisfied with a mere "pretty good for a #5", salary is irrelevant.

[kjfoster 1553]

The thing that I hate about DH's is that, unless it's followed by an off day, it just kills your bullpen for a few days.

 

Not if the starters pitch well and go deep into games.

 

Jason Marquis...

 

not happening

[TysonCBulls423]

The thing that I hate about DH's is that, unless it's followed by an off day, it just kills your bullpen for a few days.

 

Not if the starters pitch well and go deep into games.

 

Jason Marquis...

 

not happening

 

The same Jason Marquis who has pitched atleast 6 innings in 9 of his last 10 starts. Rightt..

[PrimeTime]

You might as well walk Chipper Jones..He's 4-6 lifetime vs. Marquis with 3 HR's..I have a feeling he will be teeing off Marquis again today