Re: Marty Brennaman hates us :(

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

my math (i dont have any data) says

 

 

which pretty much equates to "I'm just pulling this out of my ass" which probably also means he's wrong.

 

I mean I could make a generalization too and say that from my experience, most white sox fans, and no I don't have any data, and drugged out on meth and have criminal records.

[Rob]

I'm "talking" to all of those who want to make excuses for the behavior of the cubs fan base at Wrigley. For instance, I see "Wrigley HAS more fans, therefore there are more idiots" and I disagree. Yes, the Cubs have more fans, which equals more idiots, but from my experience it's pretty clear (no I don't have data) that when you go to a sold out game at Wrigley vs. a sold out game somewhere else there are a hell of a lot more idiots at Wrigley.

 

My math shows that not only are there more (like you said), but there is a greater percentage of the fan base that are disrespectful, unknowledgeable, and there for the party, not for the baseball.

 

And before I go on, please spare me the "generalization" speech. I'm not going to qualify every statement with "many, not all" or "I know that not all cubs fans are drunks" or "other teams have them too" or my posts will be more annoyingly long than they already are. Do we really need to get into the semantics?

 

Neat debate tactic you've got there. Mind if I try using it against you?

 

...ahem

 

"My experiences say the exact opposite of the crap you're espousing. And, since I have no need of any data to back up my claim, don't even bother trying to contradict me."

 

Not sure what to tell you. If you want to start documenting the incidents, be my guest. It's not a tactic - it's all I've got. Apparently, I'm not the only one noticing these things, am I? FergieJ31 pointed out that he's been going to games for 25 years and that he's noticed more incidents in the past 5 years by far. Care to call his point crap as well?

 

I'm saying that our memories are far too tainted by selective perception or even just the passing of time to believe in anything so subjective as how fans behave in certain places... especially considering the small sample sizes involved.

 

I mean, what are we talking about here? The 20 fans closest to you in a couple dozen ballgames spread out over 5 different parks? Let's be serious... that tells us absolutely nothing. If you chose to sit in the upper decks at wrigley, the bleachers, or those posh seats directly behind home plate, you'd come away with entirely different experiences. You, Fergie, myself, and even Marty simply aren't equipped to make very good judgments based on such random information.

[SouthSideRyan]

First of all, is it that far fetched to think that I might be banned after my first post? I appreciate not getting banned (thanks) but it doesn't seem to take much to get the "troll" label and threatened with banning.

 

Yes it is that far fetched to think you'd be banned for taking an opposing viewpoint. It's insulting to close out your post like that as well.

 

And this wasn't your first post, it's why I thought you were a Sox fan cause you made a series of posts in the Cubs/Sox game thread a few years back and nothing else really.

 

You have your experiences I have mine. I think I've dealt with obnoxious fans at every game I've gone to that I can recall. It's ridiculous for you to come out and say this is just your experience at the many games you've gone to; yet when people respond to you about their experiences at the many games they've gone to, they're just being blind homers.(Unless they agree with your point, then their opinions are valid)

[snoodmonger]

 

And FTR, no, I'm not a Sox fan, and I'm not a Reds fan. I chose not to mention what team I am a fan of because just as with Brennaman rant (which WAS UNPROFESSIONAL) many who choose to disagree wil come up with some reason (like Marty being bitter) as a crutch to ignore any of the points made.

 

translation: cards fan

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

 

And FTR, no, I'm not a Sox fan, and I'm not a Reds fan. I chose not to mention what team I am a fan of because just as with Brennaman rant (which WAS UNPROFESSIONAL) many who choose to disagree wil come up with some reason (like Marty being bitter) as a crutch to ignore any of the points made.

 

translation: cards fan

 

Ding...ding...ding! We have a winner.

[Andy]

Sport casters are suppose to be unbiased,

 

I don't think they are considered, nor should they be considered, journalists. They are entertainment.

 

 

I didn't say he was a journalist, i believe the announcer should try to be as unbiased as possible. I realize an announcer that follows a team day in and day out have the biases, but its their job to try to avoid that. Not only did Mary miss that boat, he went as far to insult an entire fan base and tie the fan base to the organizational problems. You'd think cub fans would get some credit for being die hard for a team that doesn't win.

 

Home team announcers aren't supposed to be unbiased.

Although (and this is to add to your post, not argue with it) they are also supposed to not be brainless morons who paint with a broad brush after a single incident.

[El Ridda]

Brennaman seems like the ideal type to be targeted by neighborhood kids for house egging and burning bags of poop. Oh to be a 12 year old living in Cincinnati right about now.

[Bote McBoteface]

I've never been to Wrigley, so this is purely from the outside looking in, but I don't know where all the "people are Wrigley don't even know what's going on in the game" stuff comes from. I mean, every big situation that pops up in the game, even in the first inning, the fans are on their feet cheering. It seems to me if nobody knew what was going on, that wouldn't happen. They even cheered Glavine after his last inning of work in his win #300 game, cheered Maddux when he left in his last start as a Cub, cheered for Wood in his 2007 return, etc. This isn't the type of things that people who aren't paying attention do.

 

There are always idiots, that's never going to change. But it seems to me that they are vastly outnumbered at the games.

[bukie]

Although (and this is to add to your post, not argue with it) they are also supposed to not be brainless morons who paint with a broad brush after a single incident.

 

But I like Ronny.

[jersey cubs fan]

I've never been to Wrigley, so this is purely from the outside looking in, but I don't know where all the "people are Wrigley don't even know what's going on in the game" stuff comes from. I mean, every big situation that pops up in the game, even in the first inning, the fans are on their feet cheering. It seems to me if nobody knew what was going on, that wouldn't happen. They even cheered Glavine after his last inning of work in his win #300 game, cheered Maddux when he left in his last start as a Cub, cheered for Wood in his 2007 return, etc. This isn't the type of things that people who aren't paying attention do.

 

There are always idiots, that's never going to change. But it seems to me that they are vastly outnumbered at the games.

 

If you go out to the bleachers, you will, without a doubt see people just boozing and hanging out. But that is true of every bleacher area. It's just so far away from the action, and baseball games can be so slow at times. Especially relatively unimportant games. The bleachers at Yankee Stadium are more or less a cage match. Between "show your t**s" chants and mini brawls there isn't a lot of attention being paid. But it's still a minority group within the entire crowd.

 

I was just in Philly, and there you have hundreds of people wandering around the ballpark, doing lots of things that don't come close to paying attention to the game. You have bars, restaurants and other distractions that take people away from every field. But when the situation gets tight, the rest of the crowd gets into it, and those not paying attention are quickly able to grasp what's going on.

 

Personally I've spent more than 1 inning not knowing exactly what the situation was on the field in my life. I pay money for the opportunity to enjoy myself. Sometimes part of enjoying the day is doing something other than staring closely at the field and keeping score pitch by pitch. I don't see the problem with that.

[Magnetic Curses]

 

Thanks for your time and of course you’ll disagree and take your shots at me, however I’m sure I’ll never be allowed rebut, or for that matter, ever be allowed to post here again. Oh well.

 

Careful getting down from that cross.

 

It doesn't sound like you're an unbiased source here. I can't dispute what you said, because it's all a person's opinion. You wouldn't expect Cubs fans to have an accurate opinion of White Sox fans would you?

 

And, I'll usually be the last person to back up some of the tools at Cubs games.(See my rant titled the 4 people you meet at Cubs games.) The throwing all the balls on the field was stupid. Throwing trash on the field in the past was stupid. But this type of obnoxious tool behavior DOES happen everywhere. And at a pretty similar ratio. As CubinNY alluded to, you can't claim that us who rely on stats so heavily in baseball should be able to realize the ratio is greater, and then use your anecdotal evidence to prove it.

 

It's flat out an opinion, and there's no way to prove it. Brennamen's biased, he's a Reds announcer and a senile old coot. We're biased, we're Cubs fans. You're biased, you're a Sox fan(I think) Oh well.

 

First of all, is it that far fetched to think that I might be banned after my first post? I appreciate not getting banned (thanks) but it doesn't seem to take much to get the "troll" label and threatened with banning.

 

you, for all intents and purposes, call cubs fans drunken idiots and you expect to be called a troll? i'd say that you are anticipating well.

 

what my data says is that things are the same, lenny dykstra was getting beer dumped on him 20 years ago and he'd get doused tomorrow. in philly, mike schmidt was getting booed 25 years ago and he'd get booed tomorrow. in new york, alex rodriguez always gets booed. in addition to things being the same at wrigley, things remain the same at every other park. from battery night to disco demolition to the attack on tom gamboa, virtually every fan base has it's share of drunken idiots---and if they don't, the team leaves town due to lack of interest.

 

anecdotal evidence, yes, but just as convincing.

[Magnetic Curses]

I've never been to Wrigley, so this is purely from the outside looking in, but I don't know where all the "people are Wrigley don't even know what's going on in the game" stuff comes from. I mean, every big situation that pops up in the game, even in the first inning, the fans are on their feet cheering. It seems to me if nobody knew what was going on, that wouldn't happen. They even cheered Glavine after his last inning of work in his win #300 game, cheered Maddux when he left in his last start as a Cub, cheered for Wood in his 2007 return, etc. This isn't the type of things that people who aren't paying attention do.

 

There are always idiots, that's never going to change. But it seems to me that they are vastly outnumbered at the games.

 

If you go out to the bleachers, you will, without a doubt see people just boozing and hanging out. But that is true of every bleacher area. It's just so far away from the action, and baseball games can be so slow at times. Especially relatively unimportant games. The bleachers at Yankee Stadium are more or less a cage match. Between "show your t**s" chants and mini brawls there isn't a lot of attention being paid. But it's still a minority group within the entire crowd.

 

I was just in Philly, and there you have hundreds of people wandering around the ballpark, doing lots of things that don't come close to paying attention to the game. You have bars, restaurants and other distractions that take people away from every field. But when the situation gets tight, the rest of the crowd gets into it, and those not paying attention are quickly able to grasp what's going on.

 

Personally I've spent more than 1 inning not knowing exactly what the situation was on the field in my life. I pay money for the opportunity to enjoy myself. Sometimes part of enjoying the day is doing something other than staring closely at the field and keeping score pitch by pitch. I don't see the problem with that.

 

i've spent many a drunken weekend afternoon at the rockpile in denver.

[jaydee]

Dude announces for a team in Cincinatti. In other words hes a nobody from nowhere, who cares.

[imb]

 

Thanks for your time and of course you’ll disagree and take your shots at me, however I’m sure I’ll never be allowed rebut, or for that matter, ever be allowed to post here again. Oh well.

 

Careful getting down from that cross.

 

It doesn't sound like you're an unbiased source here. I can't dispute what you said, because it's all a person's opinion. You wouldn't expect Cubs fans to have an accurate opinion of White Sox fans would you?

 

And, I'll usually be the last person to back up some of the tools at Cubs games.(See my rant titled the 4 people you meet at Cubs games.) The throwing all the balls on the field was stupid. Throwing trash on the field in the past was stupid. But this type of obnoxious tool behavior DOES happen everywhere. And at a pretty similar ratio. As CubinNY alluded to, you can't claim that us who rely on stats so heavily in baseball should be able to realize the ratio is greater, and then use your anecdotal evidence to prove it.

 

It's flat out an opinion, and there's no way to prove it. Brennamen's biased, he's a Reds announcer and a senile old coot. We're biased, we're Cubs fans. You're biased, you're a Sox fan(I think) Oh well.

 

First of all, is it that far fetched to think that I might be banned after my first post? I appreciate not getting banned (thanks) but it doesn't seem to take much to get the "troll" label and threatened with banning.

 

you, for all intents and purposes, call cubs fans drunken idiots and you expect to be called a troll? i'd say that you are anticipating well.

 

what my data says is that things are the same, lenny dykstra was getting beer dumped on him 20 years ago and he'd get doused tomorrow. in philly, mike schmidt was getting booed 25 years ago and he'd get booed tomorrow. in new york, alex rodriguez always gets booed. in addition to things being the same at wrigley, things remain the same at every other park. from battery night to disco demolition to the attack on tom gamboa, virtually every fan base has it's share of drunken idiots---and if they don't, the team leaves town due to lack of interest.

 

anecdotal evidence, yes, but just as convincing.

 

i believe you mean intensive purposes

[ArthurVandalay]

Uhhhhh, it's definitely "intents and purposes", not "intensive purposes."

[imb]

Uhhhhh, it's definitely "intents and purposes", not "intensive purposes."

 

no, that's incorrect.

[ArthurVandalay]

No, it really isn't....check any grammar website and you'll see you're wrong. "intensive purposes" doesn't even make any sense.

[Andy]

No, it really isn't....check any grammar website and you'll see you're wrong. "intensive purposes" doesn't even make any sense.

Remember who you're posting against here.

[imb]

No, it really isn't....check any grammar website and you'll see you're wrong. "intensive purposes" doesn't even make any sense.

 

yes it does

[Transmogrified Tiger]

You see, it's funny because it's bigger than a normal sized hat.

[David]

LOL at IMB in this thread...

[David]

No, it really isn't....check any grammar website and you'll see you're wrong. "intensive purposes" doesn't even make any sense.

Remember who you're posting against here.

 

 

Ya, he minus well give up. I would take anything IMB says with a grain assault.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

He has a really cool job with french benefits.