Clemens denies taking steroids or HGH

[Cubfanintheknow]

I just watched the 60 Minutes interview, and he didn't appear convincing at all.

 

He had plenty of time to practice, you know!

 

I like how he believes he should receive "the benefit of the doubt" because of all the good he's done for the community. Yep, we should all be able to buy our innocence that way.

[Soul]

Clemens files lawsuit against McNamee:

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3184646

[BigbadB]

I just watched the 60 Minutes interview, and he didn't appear convincing at all.

 

He had plenty of time to practice, you know!

 

I like how he believes he should receive "the benefit of the doubt" because of all the good he's done for the community. Yep, we should all be able to buy our innocence that way.

 

I watched the 60 Minutes interview as well. I was patiently waiting for Wallace to drop the "lie detector" bomb on Clemens and was starting to wonder if he was ever going to ask Roger if he would be willing to take the test. This is where I think Clemens REALLY failed to look believable. Not that I needed a lie detector question to determine his innocence. Wallace asked Clemens if he'd be willing to take a lie detector test and Clemens really skirted that question, calling into question the validity of the tests. Wallace posed the question 3 or 4 different ways, and each response continued to call into question the validity of a lie detector test.

 

So, if and when McNamee and Clemens each take a lie detector test and McNamee passes and Clemens fails, it will just be more icing on the cake.

 

During the interview, I learned that McNamee had to be truthful to avoid prosecution. So, if I understand this correctly, and according to Clemens, McNamee risked his get out of jail free card and lied about Clemens taking steroids. Sure thing, Roger. :roll:

[Mugged By Fluffy]

Yeah he did not look very convincing at all. If anything, he appeared pretty nervous, edgy and uneasy. 100 year old man Wallace really got him, when he asked about Pettitte and his admission, and why would MacNamee be truthful with Clem's best friend but lie about Clemens?

 

It ought to be pretty good when he is called to meet with Congress next week, I cant wait. I bet he wasn't expecting that to happen when he did the interview a few weeks ago.

[Soul]

I just watched the 60 Minutes interview, and he didn't appear convincing at all.

 

He had plenty of time to practice, you know!

 

I like how he believes he should receive "the benefit of the doubt" because of all the good he's done for the community. Yep, we should all be able to buy our innocence that way.

 

I watched the 60 Minutes interview as well. I was patiently waiting for Wallace to drop the "lie detector" bomb on Clemens and was starting to wonder if he was ever going to ask Roger if he would be willing to take the test. This is where I think Clemens REALLY failed to look believable. Not that I needed a lie detector question to determine his innocence. Wallace asked Clemens if he'd be willing to take a lie detector test and Clemens really skirted that question, calling into question the validity of the tests. Wallace posed the question 3 or 4 different ways, and each response continued to call into question the validity of a lie detector test.

 

So, if and when McNamee and Clemens each take a lie detector test and McNamee passes and Clemens fails, it will just be more icing on the cake.

 

During the interview, I learned that McNamee had to be truthful to avoid prosecution. So, if I understand this correctly, and according to Clemens, McNamee risked his get out of jail free card and lied about Clemens taking steroids. Sure thing, Roger. :roll:

 

Roger's story is now that McNamee was threated with prosecution if he didn't say what they wanted him to say about Clemens. The law suit is really a stretch. It's talking about "Cold-War era style questioning" and crap like that. I couldn't help but wonder if it was even written by an actual lawyer, it sounds so amateur.

 

I would love to have had a bug on that Clemens/McNamee phone call.

[OleMissCub]

Clemens files lawsuit against McNamee:

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3184646

 

That lawsuit is a joke. Nothing to see here, move along.

[Post Count Padder]

Someone tell Clemens to just fess up.

[Texas Goat Farmer]

Speculation is that this lawsuit is a ploy by "Roger the Dodger" to aviod testifying in the congresstional hearing. He will be able to say that he would like to discuss the subject but he has this "little ol' lawsuit down in Texas" and cannot say anything.

[swordsman]

Isn't this all a he said-he said thing? There isn't a dripping syringe, there isn't a video tape, there is no Perry Mason moment here. So they both testify, their stories disagree. Then what?

 

If Roger is telling the truth, that he is innocent, that he didn't do something, how does he prove it or convince people of it?

[1908]

If Roger is telling the truth, that he is innocent, that he didn't do something, how does he prove it or convince people of it?

He produced the best ERA+ of his HOF career at age 42. He can't convince me.

[swordsman]

If Roger is telling the truth, that he is innocent, that he didn't do something, how does he prove it or convince people of it?

He produced the best ERA+ of his HOF career at age 42. He can't convince me.

 

So you were convinced he was on the juice before anyone accused him of it.

[1908]

If Roger is telling the truth, that he is innocent, that he didn't do something, how does he prove it or convince people of it?

He produced the best ERA+ of his HOF career at age 42. He can't convince me.

So you were convinced he was on the juice before anyone accused him of it.

Yeah, it seemed more than likely to me.

[swordsman]

If Roger is telling the truth, that he is innocent, that he didn't do something, how does he prove it or convince people of it?

He produced the best ERA+ of his HOF career at age 42. He can't convince me.

So you were convinced he was on the juice before anyone accused him of it.

Yeah, it seemed more than likely to me.

 

Fair enough.

 

Sucks for Roger if he's innocent and just that good a pitcher, though.

[jersey cubs fan]

Shocking that Clemens taped the phone call.

 

I just caught a second of that one.

[1908]

Fair enough.

 

Sucks for Roger if he's innocent and just that good a pitcher, though.

Don't feel bad for Roger. Even the greatest of the greats don't have their best seasons after age 40 without help.

[swordsman]

Fair enough.

 

Sucks for Roger if he's innocent and just that good a pitcher, though.

Don't feel bad for Roger. Even the greatest of the greats don't have their best seasons after age 40 without help.

 

I'm not saying one way or the other what is true, but someone could be the first. It would suck for him if he were the one and no one believed him that's all.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Shocking that Clemens taped the phone call.

 

I just caught a second of that one.

 

That phone call has me starting to wonder if Roger might be telling the truth.

[erik316wttn]

Shocking that Clemens taped the phone call.

 

I just caught a second of that one.

 

That phone call has me starting to wonder if Roger might be telling the truth.

 

Well, Clemens himself taped it.

 

The one thing that gets me is this. Throughout that entire conversation, he never asked the other guy "Why did you lie?" or, when asked "What do you want me to do?" he didn't say "Tell them I didn't do it!"

 

Sure, he denied steroid use several times in the conversation, but to not ask the other guy to come out and publicly say that Roger didn't do it doesn't sit well with me.

[jersey cubs fan]

Shocking that Clemens taped the phone call.

 

I just caught a second of that one.

 

That phone call has me starting to wonder if Roger might be telling the truth.

 

Not me, sounds like a hastily put together and poorly orchestrated plan to play a little scratch my back and I'll scratch yours. Rogers is looking to find his own Greg Anderson fall guy.

[Sammy Sofa]

Shocking that Clemens taped the phone call.

 

I just caught a second of that one.

 

That phone call has me starting to wonder if Roger might be telling the truth.

 

Well, Clemens himself taped it.

 

The one thing that gets me is this. Throughout that entire conversation, he never asked the other guy "Why did you lie?" or, when asked "What do you want me to do?" he didn't say "Tell them I didn't do it!"

 

Exactly. Very telling. "How can you be saying this?" "Somebody needs to stop lying/start telling the truth."

[indifferent]

Shocking that Clemens taped the phone call.

 

I just caught a second of that one.

 

That phone call has me starting to wonder if Roger might be telling the truth.

 

What about the call made you think that? It sounded like Clemens wasn't willing to say something like, "You know I didn't do steroids, Brian". It sounded like McNamee was acknowledging that the two were friends and he's sorry to have hurt his buddy. Throughout this whole thing, Clemens just appears shell shocked that his buddy turned him in after all he'd done for him. Sad, maybe, but his friend has a dying son and Clemens glosses over that.

[abuck1220]

WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO???

[Keener98]

WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO???

 

 

Even better was his comment in the 60 minutes interview" If I did that stuff, id have an ear on my leg or something, and Id be pulling cars with my teeth". Seriously Clemons wake the eff up. Also comical he says he wants to become a normal citizen, well then just go away and shut your mouth.

[hardcorecubfan]

What should he say if he were actually innocent?

 

A statement from himself (not his lawyer) the day the Mitchell report came out would have been a good start instead we get a press release from his agent several days later.

 

Sometimes people listen to bad advice. ie Ted Kennedy and his whole career

[Bull]

What should he say if he were actually innocent?

 

A statement from himself (not his lawyer) the day the Mitchell report came out would have been a good start instead we get a press release from his agent several days later.

 

Sometimes people listen to bad advice. ie Ted Kennedy and his whole career

 

So you're saying Clemens drove under the influence of steroids?