MacPhail: Deal is dead (p. 297), stop posting, go outside

[Outshined_One]

Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Kap talked Cubs from 7-8. He said this Roberts stuff is very serious. They had an O's beat guy on and he speculated Murton and Gallagher would get it done. Kap asked about Pie, and the Baltimore guy didn't think they could get him for Roberts.

 

Also, Kap said he heard from "great sources," that the Cubs plan A at this point is Fukudome in RF, Roberts at 2B, and Chone Figgens in CF. Fukudome is priority #1. He seemed to imply the Cubs would part with Pie to make this happen if possible.

 

I almost never listen to Kap, is he credible?

 

Eh, take him with a grain of salt. He's not quite as bad as Levine or Sullivan, but he's reported his share of duds.

[Guest]

The Orioles' official board has people griping that Hill alone isn't worth Roberts and even him and Marshall probably is still kind of worthless.

I wonder if any are reading this thread and getting angry about how unrealistic our trade proposals are?

 

Of course they are! :lol:

I guess that's the 67 guests lingering in this forum then. :P

 

Join up guys. Most of us aren't a-holes and would love your take! :D

 

I'm not positive, but I think the board is currently set so admins have to manually activate accounts. Again, I could be wrong on that.

 

Then Tim isn't going to be happy when he logs back on...

 

Get to work!

I switched things over to allow users to activate themselves from the automated email about 2-3 days ago.

 

We've been on phpbb3 long enough now I'm confident the bot registration problem has been taken care of.

[Geech]

Disagree, I think Hill showed this year that he has 3rd starter stuff. Plus he's 28 and Roberts is 30

 

Well, Roberts did VORP 8 runs higher than Hill last year, but as others have pointed out, we've got DeRosa and a few other options at second. The drop from Hill and the next starter is almost certainly greater than the difference between Roberts and the Cobs current options.

 

I'm not really confident that Jim Hendry understands that, though.

[Outshined_One]

I switched things over to allow users to activate themselves from the automated email about 2-3 days ago.

 

We've been on phpbb3 long enough now I'm confident the bot registration problem has been taken care of.

 

8-)

 

Any thoughts to share on these rumors?

[BCVM22]

The Cubs plan A at this point is Fukudome in RF, Roberts at 2B, and Chone Figgens in CF. Fukudome is priority #1. He seemed to imply the Cubs would part with Pie to make this happen if possible.

 

Chone Figgins in CF? Is he serious?

 

What can Figgins do in CF that Pie can't? I don't get it.

[XZero771679666304]

Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Kap talked Cubs from 7-8. He said this Roberts stuff is very serious. They had an O's beat guy on and he speculated Murton and Gallagher would get it done. Kap asked about Pie, and the Baltimore guy didn't think they could get him for Roberts.

 

Also, Kap said he heard from "great sources," that the Cubs plan A at this point is Fukudome in RF, Roberts at 2B, and Chone Figgens in CF. Fukudome is priority #1. He seemed to imply the Cubs would part with Pie to make this happen if possible.

 

I almost never listen to Kap, is he credible?

 

 

If the Cubs landed Kosuke, Roberts and Figgins, the Brewers could forget about the division in 2008.

 

That said, I don't see Figgins happening, and I'd like to see Pie get his shot anyway.

[questionmarkgrace]

While Hill may be more valuable for us now, if he goes to the american league east Hendry will look like a genius. He'll get batted around in that division.

[E.J.]

Ugh, it's driving me nuts that I can't read the orioleshangout threads about the proposed trade because their servers suck and the threads refuse to load.

[Rob]

If the rumor of Hill and Marshall is true, Hendry needs to pull out of discussions right this moment.

 

Roberts is an .825 OPS guy with average defense and very good speed.

DeRosa is a .775 OPS guy with slightly better defense and much less speed.

 

Meanwhile, losing Hill and Marshall would make our rotation...

 

Z

Lilly

Marquis

Dempster

???

 

This trade wouldn't improve our offense by nearly as much as it would hurt our pitching staff. We simply cannot afford to lose Rich Hill. He has a lot more value to this team than Brian Roberts does.... a LOT more.

[JeffH]

What would honestly be a fair deal if you are Baltimore?

 

No Rich Hill. No Carlos Marmol. No Felix Pie. No Tyler Colvin.

 

Their choice of Matt Murton or Eric Patterson

Their choice of Sean Marshall or Sean Gallagher

Their choice of Billy Petrick or Rocky Roquet

Their choice of Ryan Harvey or Mark Pawelek

 

If I were MacPhail, I'd take Murton, Gallagher, Roquet, and Pawelek.

[Little Slide Rooter]

According to Steve Phillips, it would be Rich Hill and Sean Marshall for Roberts, which is giving up way too much for a guy we really dont need, whose numbers arent much better than a good Jacuque Jones season.. and the rotation of

 

Zambrano

Lilly

Marquis

Dempster?

???

 

Leaves much, much to be desired.

 

If it were something like Eric Patterson and and Sean Marshall, then maybe.

[abuck1220]

Disagree, I think Hill showed this year that he has 3rd starter stuff. Plus he's 28 and Roberts is 30

 

Well, Roberts did VORP 8 runs higher than Hill last year, but as others have pointed out, we've got DeRosa and a few other options at second. The drop from Hill and the next starter is almost certainly greater than the difference between Roberts and the Cobs current options.

 

I'm not really confident that Jim Hendry understands that, though.

 

and it was hill's first full season in the bigs and he makes a fraction of what roberts does.

 

and i think hill's top 10 in the NL showing in whip, k/9, k/bb, and h/9 were better than most #3 starters.

[XZero771679666304]

The Cubs plan A at this point is Fukudome in RF, Roberts at 2B, and Chone Figgens in CF. Fukudome is priority #1. He seemed to imply the Cubs would part with Pie to make this happen if possible.

 

Chone Figgins in CF? Is he serious?

 

What can Figgins do in CF that Pie can't? I don't get it.

 

Not much, though he did have an OBP of .393 last year, which would look awfully nice at the top of the order. Of course his career OBP is only .354, and he has less power than Pie.

Edited December 6, 2007 by XZero77

[Outshined_One]

Ugh, it's driving me nuts that I can't read the orioleshangout threads about the proposed trade because their servers suck and the threads refuse to load.

 

This is why we can't have nice things around here. :(

[apete6]

Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Kap talked Cubs from 7-8. He said this Roberts stuff is very serious. They had an O's beat guy on and he speculated Murton and Gallagher would get it done. Kap asked about Pie, and the Baltimore guy didn't think they could get him for Roberts.

 

Also, Kap said he heard from "great sources," that the Cubs plan A at this point is Fukudome in RF, Roberts at 2B, and Chone Figgens in CF. Fukudome is priority #1. He seemed to imply the Cubs would part with Pie to make this happen if possible.

 

I almost never listen to Kap, is he credible?

 

Sign me up for Murton & Gallagher for Roberts.

 

I really have no interest in Figgins...especially if it costs us Pie. Now if its Pie for Roberts and Murton & Gallagher for Figgins/prospect, I might be persuaded to like it, but only if that prospect is at least middle tier.

[Guest]

I switched things over to allow users to activate themselves from the automated email about 2-3 days ago.

 

We've been on phpbb3 long enough now I'm confident the bot registration problem has been taken care of.

 

8-)

 

Any thoughts to share on these rumors?

If Hill is included, I don't like the deal. I'll do Murt + Sean, though. It would work out well for both of those guys as I'm pretty sure they'd get a full opportunity to start with Baltimore whereas they may not here in Chicago.

 

I'd like to save Pie for a bigger improvement than Roberts. I'd also like to have another CF on the team before we trade him as we really have nobody else other than the AFL MVP to man the position right now.

[Electron Blue]

The Cubs plan A at this point is Fukudome in RF, Roberts at 2B, and Chone Figgens in CF. Fukudome is priority #1. He seemed to imply the Cubs would part with Pie to make this happen if possible.

 

Chone Figgins in CF? Is he serious?

 

What can Figgins do in CF that Pie can't? I don't get it.

 

hit for .330/.393/.432/OPS+117 with between 40-60 SBs. (Granted those are last year's numbers, but Figgin's ceiling is much closer than Pie's. Not that I necesarily advocate Chone over Felix, but the idea does have some merit.)

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If we did get Fukudome, Roberts, and Figgins...

 

I imagine our line-up would be something like:

 

Roberts 2b

Figgins CF

Lee 1b

Ramirez 3b

Soriano LF

Fukudome RF

Soto C

Theiot SS

 

Depending on which Figgins we get, that wouldn't be a terrible line-up.

[VanceJergins]

If the rumor of Hill and Marshall is true, Hendry needs to pull out of discussions right this moment.

 

Roberts is an .825 OPS guy with average defense and very good speed.

DeRosa is a .775 OPS guy with slightly better defense and much less speed.

 

Meanwhile, losing Hill and Marshall would make our rotation...

 

Z

Lilly

Marquis

Dempster

???

 

This trade wouldn't improve our offense by nearly as much as it would hurt our pitching staff. We simply cannot afford to lose Rich Hill. He has a lot more value to this team than Brian Roberts does.... a LOT more.

 

I agree with you, but Roberts has only been at or above .825 once, which was .903. His next best season was .808.

[Outshined_One]

hit for .330/.393/.432/OPS+117 with between 40-60 SBs. (Granted those are last year's numbers, but Figgin's ceiling is much closer than Pie's. Not that I necesarily advocate Chone over Felix, but the idea does have some merit.)

 

I think the difficulty everyone would have revolves around Figgins' price tag, his likelihood of repeating those numbers, and the possibility that Pie or Colvin will match or out-produce his numbers 2-3 years from now.

[RammyFanny]

Chone Figgins in CF? Is he serious?

 

What can Figgins do in CF that Pie can't? I don't get it.

 

Not to take anything away from Felix, but get on base. Chone was the 10th best AL player in OBP. Felix likely won't touch that (even talking career wise). If we are dead set on going for it all now, I wouldn't completely object to it. He's going to be the better offensive centerfielder (assuming he plays a legit CF, I really couldn't tell you) in terms of the upcoming season and is still only 29. Plus we're really high on Colvin. I can see the reasons, although I admittedly don't know if I would do it.

 

I guess it also depends alot on if you think Chone can put up similiar numbers coming off an above average season like Derosa did, or if he'll go way back down.

 

Edit-- A little late on the response.

Edited December 6, 2007 by RammyFanny

[abuck1220]

didn't figgins have like an .900 babip?

[Guest]

Ugh, it's driving me nuts that I can't read the orioleshangout threads about the proposed trade because their servers suck and the threads refuse to load.

 

This is why we can't have nice things around here. :(

:-k Like what?

[XZero771679666304]

If we did get Fukudome, Roberts, and Figgins...

 

I imagine our line-up would be something like:

 

Roberts 2b

Figgins CF

Lee 1b

Ramirez 3b

Soriano LF

Fukudome RF

Soto C

Theiot SS

 

Depending on which Figgins we get, that wouldn't be a terrible line-up.

 

If you got 2007 Roberts and Figgins, that's a very good lineup.

[apete6]

While Hill may be more valuable for us now, if he goes to the american league east Hendry will look like a genius. He'll get batted around in that division.

 

I wouldn't say so. He is at least 80% of Erik Bedard or Scott Kazmir, so he could be respectable in the AL East. I'd say 4.50 ERA and a similar # of Ks that he had this year. Not great, but not "batted around" either.