MacPhail: Deal is dead (p. 297), stop posting, go outside

[E.J.]

From the ESPN blog...

 

If Brian Roberts is traded to the Cubs, it's believed that it might not happen until the Orioles complete a trade for either Erik Bedard or Miguel Tejada. According to a source with knowledge of Baltimore's trade talks, the O's have had so much interest in their players that they "have a lot on their table." But the relationship between Andy MacPhail and Cubs GM Jim Hendry dates back several years, so a trade could happen faster than it would with other clubs. Rich Hill, originally thought to be part of a deal, is currently not in the discussions. Instead, Chicago likely would send upper-level prospects to Baltimore. Among the names being considered are Sean Marshall, Sean Gallagher, Felix Pie and Donnie Veal .

 

You're a little late to the party. That's been posted about 5 times now. :lol:

Cut him some slack. Things are happening so quickly in this thread that he probably missed the other posts.

 

Go back to Rotoworld. :wink:

[The Voice of Reason]

Latest from the Sun.

 

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-connolly1205,0,2036334.column

One baseball source said that there is a three-player deal on the table that would include a starting pitcher coming back to the Orioles. Although no specifics have been revealed, the Orioles in the past have been high on lefty Rich Hill and right-hander Sean Gallagher

 

Even if the Orioles have a deal in place, it would have to be approved by team owner Peter Angelos, who last year nixed a Roberts-based deal to the Atlanta Braves that would have yielded first baseman Adam LaRoche and second baseman Marcus Giles.

 

Angelos has been reticent in the past to trade Roberts, 30, a personal and fan favorite. It is believed he would rather trade other veterans instead, such as shortstop Miguel Tejada or catcher Ramon Hernandez.

 

But Roberts, a leadoff hitter who made his second all-star team last season, is probably the Orioles' second most coveted trade chip behind starter Erik Bedard.

[JeffH]

I think it could get done for marshall, murton, epatt and veal. At least that seems fair to me.

Am I thinking of a different Brian Roberts? That's awfully steep.

 

Done without a second thought.

[UK1679666180]

The question becomes would Pie be included and if he is, how much does that increase the importance of locking up Fukudome and poss. settling with Murton in RF?

 

What's your opinion on Pie, based on what you've seen? Do you think the hype is legit or do we have another Corey Patterson on our hands?

 

Right now, he's more Patterson than anything else. But, he's their best option in CF and until proven otherwise, should be given a shot to prove he capable of progressing. But, he has to work on shortnening that swing, centering the ball, and getting into hitter's counts. He fouled off way too many hittable pitches with one strike and then retired on breaking pitches or inside FBs.

 

Defensively, he's one of the best in the game (2nd best CF'er in the NL).

[rchap24]

The question becomes would Pie be included and if he is, how much does that increase the importance of locking up Fukudome and poss. settling with Murton in RF?

 

What's your opinion on Pie, based on what you've seen? Do you think the hype is legit or do we have another Corey Patterson on our hands?

 

Right now, he's more Patterson than anything else. But, he's their best option in CF and until proven otherwise, should be given a shot to prove he capable of progressing. But, he has to work on shortnening that swing, centering the ball, and getting into hitter's counts. He fouled off way too many hittable pitches with one strike and then retired on breaking pitches or inside FBs.

 

Defensively, he's one of the best in the game (2nd best CF'er in the NL).

 

K I agree with everything u said, but "2nd best CF'er in the NL" come on isnt that a little steep of a comment. He played like 40 games last year you cant make that statement right now. Even though I know he is a good fielder even made some very bad reads last year.

[abuck1220]

I think it could get done for marshall, murton, epatt and veal. At least that seems fair to me.

Am I thinking of a different Brian Roberts? That's awfully steep.

 

Done without a second thought.

 

murton's four years younger than roberts and has better career offensive numbers. obviously they don't play the same positiong, but including murton in a deal for roberts is too much...let alone topping him off with three other decent trading chips.

 

if the cubs had a glaring hole at 2b, maybe i'd think differently.

[E.J.]

Levine is going to be on ESPN 1000 from the winter meetings in a few minutes if anyone is interested. Here's the link:

 

http://stations.espn.go.com/stations/espnradio1000/

[Derwood]

i'm surprised it took 16 pages for someone to mention the fact that Angelos will likely nix almost any brian roberts trade

[JeffH]

I think it could get done for marshall, murton, epatt and veal. At least that seems fair to me.

Am I thinking of a different Brian Roberts? That's awfully steep.

 

Done without a second thought.

 

murton's four years younger than roberts and has better career offensive numbers. obviously they don't play the same positiong, but including murton in a deal for roberts is too much...let alone topping him off with three other decent trading chips.

 

if the cubs had a glaring hole at 2b, maybe i'd think differently.

 

I hope this doesn't offend you...try not to be absurd.

[E.J.]

I think it could get done for marshall, murton, epatt and veal. At least that seems fair to me.

Am I thinking of a different Brian Roberts? That's awfully steep.

 

Done without a second thought.

 

murton's four years younger than roberts and has better career offensive numbers. obviously they don't play the same positiong, but including murton in a deal for roberts is too much...let alone topping him off with three other decent trading chips.

 

if the cubs had a glaring hole at 2b, maybe i'd think differently.

 

Last year Roberts had a higher VORP than any player on the Cubs. He's a good player. I wouldn't have any problem giving up Murton.

[CubinNY]

I think it could get done for marshall, murton, epatt and veal. At least that seems fair to me.

Am I thinking of a different Brian Roberts? That's awfully steep.

 

Done without a second thought.

I must be thinking of a different Brian Roberts too, because that is one lopsided trade. He's basically Matt Murton playing 2nd.

[VanceJergins]

I think it could get done for marshall, murton, epatt and veal. At least that seems fair to me.

Am I thinking of a different Brian Roberts? That's awfully steep.

 

Done without a second thought.

 

murton's four years younger than roberts and has better career offensive numbers. obviously they don't play the same positiong, but including murton in a deal for roberts is too much...let alone topping him off with three other decent trading chips.

 

if the cubs had a glaring hole at 2b, maybe i'd think differently.

 

I definitely think people are over-valuing Roberts a bit.

[CUBZ99]

I think it could get done for marshall, murton, epatt and veal. At least that seems fair to me.

Am I thinking of a different Brian Roberts? That's awfully steep.

 

Done without a second thought.

I must be thinking of a different Brian Roberts too, because that is one lopsided trade. He's basically Matt Murton playing 2nd.

 

That is basically a ridiculous statement.

[Post Count Padder]

I love Murton, but is he ever gonna get a chance to start on this team?

[UK1679666180]

 

K I agree with everything u said, but "2nd best CF'er in the NL" come on isnt that a little steep of a comment. He played like 40 games last year you cant make that statement right now. Even though I know he is a good fielder even made some very bad reads last year.

 

Not really, those tools are there. His range and arm are as good as anyone in the game. Every new player coming to Wrigley will misplay them.

 

I think right now, Taveras is the only one better.

[rchap24]

I think it could get done for marshall, murton, epatt and veal. At least that seems fair to me.

Am I thinking of a different Brian Roberts? That's awfully steep.

 

Done without a second thought.

 

murton's four years younger than roberts and has better career offensive numbers. obviously they don't play the same positiong, but including murton in a deal for roberts is too much...let alone topping him off with three other decent trading chips.

 

if the cubs had a glaring hole at 2b, maybe i'd think differently.

 

I definitely think people are over-valuing Roberts a bit.

 

I think that alot of people on this site are overvaluing a number 4 OF at best on most teams to much!

[E.J.]

The latest ESPN 1000 update had Levine saying the latest offer was Cedeno, a pitcher, and an outfielder for Roberts.

[CubinNY]

I think it could get done for marshall, murton, epatt and veal. At least that seems fair to me.

Am I thinking of a different Brian Roberts? That's awfully steep.

 

Done without a second thought.

I must be thinking of a different Brian Roberts too, because that is one lopsided trade. He's basically Matt Murton playing 2nd.

 

That is basically a ridiculous statement.

.281 .351 .409 Roberts

.296 .365 .455 Murton

 

Sorry, a tad bit worse than Murton.

[Guest]

People need to look at more than just last year when evaluating Roberts. He's a good player, but he's not really a 48+ VORP player. The odds are highly stacked against him repeating that performance.

[weis21]

I think it could get done for marshall, murton, epatt and veal. At least that seems fair to me.

Am I thinking of a different Brian Roberts? That's awfully steep.

 

Done without a second thought.

 

murton's four years younger than roberts and has better career offensive numbers. obviously they don't play the same positiong, but including murton in a deal for roberts is too much...let alone topping him off with three other decent trading chips.

 

if the cubs had a glaring hole at 2b, maybe i'd think differently.

 

I can understand that. I think Murton will be a very solid player, but it's obvious the cubs don't have any plans for him and I question how much trade value he has at this point given that the cubs benched him all year. That said, I see Marshall with a ceiling of a 4/5 starter at best (if healthy) and I don't have much faith in EPatt or Veal. Epatt really has no feasible position since moving from second and Veal has extreme control problems.

[VanceJergins]

I think it could get done for marshall, murton, epatt and veal. At least that seems fair to me.

Am I thinking of a different Brian Roberts? That's awfully steep.

 

Done without a second thought.

I must be thinking of a different Brian Roberts too, because that is one lopsided trade. He's basically Matt Murton playing 2nd.

 

That is basically a ridiculous statement.

 

Roberts' career OPS: .760

Murton's career OPS: .820

 

Roberts just steals more.

[rchap24]

 

K I agree with everything u said, but "2nd best CF'er in the NL" come on isnt that a little steep of a comment. He played like 40 games last year you cant make that statement right now. Even though I know he is a good fielder even made some very bad reads last year.

 

Not really, those tools are there. His range and arm are as good as anyone in the game. Every new player coming to Wrigley will misplay them.

 

I think right now, Taveras is the only one better.

 

Maybe...I wasn't thinking just Wrigley, if just Wrigley you could be right. I still think he needs to make better reads though he over runs balls alot!

[Abe Frohman]

I'm pretty sure they're talking about the Brian Roberts who stole 50 bases last year and scored 103 runs for a pretty terrible Orioles team.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

The latest ESPN 1000 update had Levine saying the latest offer was Cedeno, a pitcher, and an outfielder for Roberts.

 

 

My guess Marshall, Murton, and Cedeno....

 

though it could be Marmol, Murton, Cedeno....or Patterson, Marmol Cedeno.

[mdwilla]

Cedeno, Murton, Marshall, for Roberts.

 

Cedeno,Murton,Marshall,Gallegher,Pie for Miggy/Roberts.