MacPhail: Deal is dead (p. 297), stop posting, go outside

[David]

I don't really understand the notion that the Cubs acquiring Khalil Greene is paramount to getting Brian Roberts because "we need a SS more than a 2B."

 

Roberts would change the face of our offense. Either acquisition would be great. Despite Greene's low OB% - he does bring things to the table that would definately make the Cubs a better team (great defense, run production) and he would be a great improvement.

 

Despite all the options we have at 2B, adding Roberts would be bigger than adding Greene, IMO. Roberts would give us a great leadoff hitter, and force (I would think) Soriano into the heart of the order.

 

It's really that simple.

 

On top of that, Greene is better than Theriot by a far wider margin than Roberts is better than DeRosa.

 

That other stuff about lineup positioning, while nice to think about, is pretty insignificant. This team + Greene instead of Theriot would score more runs than this team + Roberts instead of DeRosa.

Edited December 12, 2007 by David

[UMFan83]

Just caught the score's latest update. Offman stated that the Cubs are looking for another Starting pitcher and implied that they might get in on the action for Bedard.

 

If they could get Roberts and Bedard without giving up Hill I'm all for it.

 

I'd be all for it as well, but it's hard to how it could happen without Rich included.

 

That's fine

 

Zambrano

Bedard

Lilly

Marquis

Dempster/Marshall

 

is good for me.

[David]

Just caught the score's latest update. Offman stated that the Cubs are looking for another Starting pitcher and implied that they might get in on the action for Bedard.

 

If they could get Roberts and Bedard without giving up Hill I'm all for it.

 

I'd be all for it as well, but it's hard to how it could happen without Rich included.

 

That's fine

 

Zambrano

Bedard

Lilly

Marquis

Dempster/Marshall

 

is good for me.

 

All things considered, I'd rather have Hill than Bedard.

[Keener98]

Not sure where to post this but Jim Hendry will be on ESPN1000 at 5 pm today. Im sure it will be nothing earth shattering but thought some people might want to listen.

[The Voice of Reason]

I don't really understand the notion that the Cubs acquiring Khalil Greene is paramount to getting Brian Roberts because "we need a SS more than a 2B."

 

Roberts would change the face of our offense. Either acquisition would be great. Despite Greene's low OB% - he does bring things to the table that would definately make the Cubs a better team (great defense, run production) and he would be a great improvement.

 

Despite all the options we have at 2B, adding Roberts would be bigger than adding Greene, IMO. Roberts would give us a great leadoff hitter, and force (I would think) Soriano into the heart of the order.

 

It's really that simple.

 

On top of that, Greene is better than Theriot by a far wider margin than Roberts is better than DeRosa.

 

That other stuff about lineup positioning, while nice to think about, is pretty insignificant. This team + Greene instead of Theriot would score more runs than this team + Roberts instead of DeRosa.

 

Any concern that the Padres might have the Cubs last on their trading partner list after the Fukudome signing?

[David]

 

Any concern that the Padres might have the Cubs last on their trading partner list after the Fukudome signing?

 

 

I'm not saying that they actually will trade for him. We have no reason to believe they will. I am saying that they should, however.

 

That said, I posted earlier expressing my opinion on the viewpoint above..

 

A few people have stated that the Pads wouldn't deal with the Cubs because of sour grapes about losing out on Fukudome. That sounds completely outlandish to me.

 

Maybe it's true, but any GM that would base personnel decisions on emotions like this doesn't deserve his job.

[Keener98]

I don't really understand the notion that the Cubs acquiring Khalil Greene is paramount to getting Brian Roberts because "we need a SS more than a 2B."

 

Roberts would change the face of our offense. Either acquisition would be great. Despite Greene's low OB% - he does bring things to the table that would definately make the Cubs a better team (great defense, run production) and he would be a great improvement.

 

Despite all the options we have at 2B, adding Roberts would be bigger than adding Greene, IMO. Roberts would give us a great leadoff hitter, and force (I would think) Soriano into the heart of the order.

 

It's really that simple.

 

On top of that, Greene is better than Theriot by a far wider margin than Roberts is better than DeRosa.

 

That other stuff about lineup positioning, while nice to think about, is pretty insignificant. This team + Greene instead of Theriot would score more runs than this team + Roberts instead of DeRosa.

 

Any concern that the Padres might have the Cubs last on their trading partner list after the Fukudome signing?

 

No Kevin Towers is smart, he wont let something like that get in the way of him trying to improve his team. Any GM that does hold a grudge for losing out on a player like that is basically a jackass.

[NCCubFan]

I don't really understand the notion that the Cubs acquiring Khalil Greene is paramount to getting Brian Roberts because "we need a SS more than a 2B."

 

Roberts would change the face of our offense. Either acquisition would be great. Despite Greene's low OB% - he does bring things to the table that would definately make the Cubs a better team (great defense, run production) and he would be a great improvement.

 

Despite all the options we have at 2B, adding Roberts would be bigger than adding Greene, IMO. Roberts would give us a great leadoff hitter, and force (I would think) Soriano into the heart of the order.

 

It's really that simple.

 

On top of that, Greene is better than Theriot by a far wider margin than Roberts is better than DeRosa.

 

That other stuff about lineup positioning, while nice to think about, is pretty insignificant. This team + Greene instead of Theriot would score more runs than this team + Roberts instead of DeRosa.

 

Any concern that the Padres might have the Cubs last on their trading partner list after the Fukudome signing?

 

No Kevin Towers is smart, he wont let something like that get in the way of him trying to improve his team. Any GM that does hold a grudge for losing out on a player like that is basically a jackass.

Agreed. If the Padres can get a better trade from the Cubs than from other teams they won't refuse to do it just because the Cubs signed a free agent that the Padres also wanted. That would be the equivalent of the Cubs refusing to trade with the Dodgers just because the Dodgers stole Furcal from the Cubs.

[Andy]

Not sure where to post this but Jim Hendry will be on ESPN1000 at 5 pm today. Im sure it will be nothing earth shattering but thought some people might want to listen.

Is that 5 CT? Thanks for the tip.

[Schwarber Fan]

This has probably been posted but...

 

The Chicago Tribune's Phil Rogers believes the Cubs' price for Brian Roberts will be Sean Gallagher, a young hitter and one more young pitcher.

He says maybe Eric Patterson, Sam Fuld or Matt Murton for the hitter and then a random oft-injured right-hander from the Cubs' ample pile for the pitcher: Angel Guzman, Billy Petrick or Adam Harben. Frankly, we think if any combination of those players would have gotten a deal done, it would have happened at the winter meetings. Roberts has more value than that even before accounting for the fact that he's such a fan favorite in Baltimore and owner Peter Angelos would insist on an especially high return in order to move him. Still, Rogers thinks the deal has a reasonable chance of happening. Dec. 12 - 1:33 pm et

[Keener98]

Not sure where to post this but Jim Hendry will be on ESPN1000 at 5 pm today. Im sure it will be nothing earth shattering but thought some people might want to listen.

Is that 5 CT? Thanks for the tip.

 

 

Yea Im pretty sure it is.

[98navigator]

Not sure where to post this but Jim Hendry will be on ESPN1000 at 5 pm today. Im sure it will be nothing earth shattering but thought some people might want to listen.

 

FYI, he'll also be on the Mike North Morning Show (yuck) tomorrow around 8:20am CT.

[E.J.]

Hendry will talk about Fukudome and when asked about Brian Roberts will say something like "we'll make a move if we feel like it will make the team better."

[mdwilla]

Wouldn't it be a great 48 hours if Hendry landed Fukodome and then found a taker for Marquis in less than 24 hours? Hendry then spins a package of players to get us Bedard/Roberts without giving up Hill. We would then only be a decent hitting shortstop from being the best offense in the league.

[Post Count Padder]

Wouldn't it be a great 48 hours if Hendry landed Fukodome and then found a taker for Marquis in less than 24 hours? Hendry then spins a package of players to get us Bedard/Roberts without giving up Hill. We would then only be a decent hitting shortstop from being the best offense in the league.

Great, yes. Achieveable? We'll see.

[98navigator]

Hendry will talk about Fukudome and when asked about Brian Roberts will say something like "we'll make a move if we feel like it will make the team better."

 

Technically,he isn't allowed to speak openly about another team's player; that's tampering. Someone should get after Towers for his "morning walks" with Prior!! On a side note, I really think Towers put a bug in Prior's ear about pitching in his hometown. It's wrong by itself but he brazenly talked about it in the media which requires some sort of sanctioning from MLB (and I read the Cubs are likely to file a claim against him in hopes of recovering monetary damages).

[E.J.]

Our latest offer for Roberts according to one of the insiders over at orioleshangout:

 

Fresh off a text message:

 

"Patterson, Murton, Gallagher, Guzman"

 

Thats the latest offer from them to us.

 

Fire away.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Our latest offer for Roberts according to one of the insiders over at orioleshangout:

 

Fresh off a text message:

 

"Patterson, Murton, Gallagher, Guzman"

 

Thats the latest offer from them to us.

 

Fire away.

That would be terrible. Am I thinking of the same Brian Roberts?

[pitchcs]

Our latest offer for Roberts according to one of the insiders over at orioleshangout:

 

Fresh off a text message:

 

"Patterson, Murton, Gallagher, Guzman"

 

Thats the latest offer from them to us.

 

Fire away.

That would be terrible. Am I thinking of the same Brian Roberts?

 

I don't value Guzman or Patterson much at all. To me this is basically Murton and Gallagher for Roberts. And honestly, I'm fine with that I think, not thrilled...but fine.

[mdwilla]

I'd be suprized if we do a deal with the Orioles that doesn't include Cedeno.

[CUBZ99]

Our latest offer for Roberts according to one of the insiders over at orioleshangout:

 

Fresh off a text message:

 

"Patterson, Murton, Gallagher, Guzman"

 

Thats the latest offer from them to us.

 

Fire away.

 

I would hate to lose Gallagher, but I would make that trade.

[USSoccer]

Our latest offer for Roberts according to one of the insiders over at orioleshangout:

 

Fresh off a text message:

 

"Patterson, Murton, Gallagher, Guzman"

 

Thats the latest offer from them to us.

 

Fire away.

 

I think it's clear Hendry has no idea how to haggle.

[Post Count Padder]

Our latest offer for Roberts according to one of the insiders over at orioleshangout:

 

Fresh off a text message:

 

"Patterson, Murton, Gallagher, Guzman"

 

Thats the latest offer from them to us.

 

Fire away.

 

I would hate to lose Gallagher, but I would make that trade.

If we could get a mid level prospect back as well, then I'd go for it. That's a bit much to give up I think.

[CubColtPacer]

Our latest offer for Roberts according to one of the insiders over at orioleshangout:

 

Fresh off a text message:

 

"Patterson, Murton, Gallagher, Guzman"

 

Thats the latest offer from them to us.

 

Fire away.

 

I think it's clear Hendry has no idea how to haggle.

 

Why would you say that? That's significantly less than Baltimore was asking for at the beginning of negotiations.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Our latest offer for Roberts according to one of the insiders over at orioleshangout:

 

Fresh off a text message:

 

"Patterson, Murton, Gallagher, Guzman"

 

Thats the latest offer from them to us.

 

Fire away.

 

It's apparent the Cubs don't view Patterson as a viable second baseman any longer, and as a LF, I'm less than enamored with him. I'm not upset over losing him.

 

Murton- I hate to give him up as I think he has skills that our team could use. He doesn't really have a position. I can give him up as well.

 

Gallagher- This is the one that hurts. I'd love to replace him with Veal, Hart, or Marshall.

 

Guzman- meh. At one time what could we have gotten for him? He's damaged goods.

 

All in all, it's not a horrible deal on our part. Essentially, Murton + Gallagher for Roberts. I'd rather choose another target than Roberts if we're trading Gallagher though.