Jacque Jones Traded to Detroit for Omar Infante

[Derwood]

I had a busy day at work...cliff notes on this thread plz.

Cubs swap Jones for Infante, pay Jones Salary - $1M, board jeers

 

So, we trade Jones for Infante an 1 million salary relief...ok, that's dumb.

 

no, we get ~$3.5M in salary relief

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I had a busy day at work...cliff notes on this thread plz.

Cubs swap Jones for Infante, pay Jones Salary - $1M, board jeers

Cubs swap Jones for Infante, Tigers pay all of Jones salary (we pay remaining signing bonus), board (jeers | cheers | says, "meh, I would have rather had prospects")

 

 

Ah ok.....so, we're not paying anything but the signing bonus...that's a bit better.

[Guest]

I had a busy day at work...cliff notes on this thread plz.

Cubs swap Jones for Infante, pay Jones Salary - $1M, board jeers

 

So, we trade Jones for Infante an 1 million salary relief...ok, that's dumb.

No. My version is the accurate one. Depending on the accounting, we're either saving $3.5M or $4M

[CuseCubFan69]

I had a busy day at work...cliff notes on this thread plz.

Cubs swap Jones for Infante, pay Jones Salary - $1M, board jeers

 

So, we trade Jones for Infante an 1 million salary relief...ok, that's dumb.

 

Not if I win a quarter in my bet. I say it's the start of a big trade or signing. I was sticking up for your cajin buddy while you were out.

[brinoch]

I had a busy day at work...cliff notes on this thread plz.

Cubs swap Jones for Infante, pay Jones Salary - $1M, board jeers

 

So, we trade Jones for Infante an 1 million salary relief...ok, that's dumb.

 

No, it's more like $3.5-$4M in salary relief, depending on what Infante gets from the Cubs during the arby process. Assuming, of course, that he remains with the Cubs at all.

[Guest]

I've asked this a couple times, but each time it was as an aside within another post so I wanted to ask it again.

 

Does anyone remember who we were going to receive back from the Marlins in that trade that almost went down this summer?

 

Single-A pitcher Graham Taylor.

 

Was it Taylor for sure?

 

Look it never happened. Maybe because the Marlins didn't want to part with Taylor. But that was the name reported.

 

Ok, I was just wondering because there were so few details coming out at the time on the exacts. Taylor had such a ridiculous K/BB ratio last season.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Does anybody realize jacque jones carried us into the playoffs last year?...the guy had clutch hit after clutch hit and his defense in center was fantastic. Hopefully this is a move in order to make room for Carl Crawford, otherwise I'm not buying it we already have Derosa, Theriot, Cedeno, Fontenot, Eric Patterson, and now Infante. Erroneous.

I was not aware of that. Thank You.

[Guest]

Ah, but for the want of the post review feature to eliminate all those redundant posts today. :D

[CubinNY]

I had a busy day at work...cliff notes on this thread plz.

Cubs swap Jones for Infante, pay Jones Salary - $1M, board jeers

 

So, we trade Jones for Infante an 1 million salary relief...ok, that's dumb.

I messed up. The Tigers pay all except 1 million, board mostly jeers.

[brinoch]

Ah, but for the want of the post review feature to eliminate all those redundant posts today. :D

 

Meh. Vance needed to get some repeated post smacks, don't cha think?

[Bruno7481]

this organization's infatuation with marginal middle infielders blows my mind. i didn't read the whole thread, but did they take all of JJ's contract? If we don't sign Fukudome, our OF is going to somehow be worse than it was this year.

 

And there is no guarantee the OF will be any better WITH Fukudome either. I think the expectations for this guy are getting a little high. None of us really know what he could do yet.

 

We know what he could do. Whether or not he actually accomplishes what he's capable of is the question. I don't think expectations are really getting all that high. Nobody has said he's going to contend for MVP or lead the team in OPS. Most are saying he should be a solid bat, that's it.

 

We are reading some different posts then. I have seen many pretty much pinning the hopes off the offseason, and 2008 on his signing. If he even comes to the states, and if the Cubs give him, I hope he's great.

 

He is an unknown to a degree at this point though.

 

It's not a surprise that people are pinning their hopes on Fukudome when other potential targets for the OF includes guys like Shawn Green. I think most people recognize Fukudome isn't going to be a superstar here and his numbers will take a hit but he's more competent than a guy like Shawn Green now.

 

I agree with all of that. But he could come over and put up a respectable .280/.350/.440 in his first year and I think many would be upset. Again, just based off of what I have read here.

[CuseCubFan69]

Ah, but for the want of the post review feature to eliminate all those redundant posts today. :D

 

You're not getting rid of my posts that easily.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I just had the scary thought that Hendry might have this line-up envisioned...

 

C- Soto

1b- Lee

2b- Infante

SS- Theriot

3b-Ramirez

LF- Soriano

CF- Pie

RF- DeRosa

[sweetpeteman]

Ah, but for the want of the post review feature to eliminate all those redundant posts today. :D

 

You're not getting rid of my posts that easily.

 

 

You're not getting rid of his posts that easily.

 

 

 

/Department of Redundancy Department/

[CuseCubFan69]

Ah, but for the want of the post review feature to eliminate all those redundant posts today. :D

 

You're not getting rid of my posts that easily.

 

 

You're not getting rid of his posts that easily.

 

 

 

/Department of Redundancy Department/

 

Are you the one they call the teacher?

[Lefty]

I've asked this a couple times, but each time it was as an aside within another post so I wanted to ask it again.

 

Does anyone remember who we were going to receive back from the Marlins in that trade that almost went down this summer?

 

Single-A pitcher Graham Taylor.

 

Was it Taylor for sure?

 

Look it never happened. Maybe because the Marlins didn't want to part with Taylor. But that was the name reported.

 

Ok, I was just wondering because there were so few details coming out at the time on the exacts. Taylor had such a ridiculous K/BB ratio last season.

 

College pitcher. Old for his level.

[JWCUB]

I just had the scary thought that Hendry might have this line-up envisioned...

 

C- Soto

1b- Lee

2b- Infante

SS- Theriot

3b-Ramirez

LF- Soriano

CF- Pie

RF- DeRosa

 

 

=D> That line-up = about 70 wins.

[jersey cubs fan]

I guess I have to disagree. In over 1250 plate appearances against right-handed pitching over the last 3 years (2005-2007), Green's OPS is .841. I'll take that production for $4M. I'm talking one year deal here.

 

The Cubs haven't had too much of a problem hitting RHP the past few years. In what way shape or form would Green be better than Jones or Floyd, which is the experiment that was supposed to net a good RF platoon with Murton?

 

I'm not sure why you trade Jones for Infante and then end up spending more on Green than you saved by shipping out Jacque. Sounds to me like different names same garbage.

 

The Cubs desperately need to upgrade either SS, CF or RF. They aren't going to upgrade RF by going with Green. They probably aren't going to upgrade CF by going with Pie (which these moves would almost certainly ensure). That leaves us with SS, and dwindling options.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I just had the scary thought that Hendry might have this line-up envisioned...

 

C- Soto

1b- Lee

2b- Infante

SS- Theriot

3b-Ramirez

LF- Soriano

CF- Pie

RF- DeRosa

 

 

=D> That line-up = about 70 wins.

only if there are 14 forfeits during the season

[Elrhino]

I just had the scary thought that Hendry might have this line-up envisioned...

 

C- Soto

1b- Lee

2b- Infante

SS- Theriot

3b-Ramirez

LF- Soriano

CF- Pie

RF- DeRosa

 

I was going to say ... I won't judge the move until I see what's in store down the line, but I really get the terrible feeling that this this move + a bad Kaz contract puts DeRosa in the starting RF spot. In Hendry's mind, DeRosa simply hit too well for a middle infielder last year .. it's time to ship that kind of production off to right field where it belongs.

Edited November 12, 2007 by Elrhino

[chuckywang]

I just had the scary thought that Hendry might have this line-up envisioned...

 

C- Soto

1b- Lee

2b- Infante

SS- Theriot

3b-Ramirez

LF- Soriano

CF- Pie

RF- DeRosa

 

 

=D> That line-up = about 70 wins.

 

I think that's more than 70 wins...it would probably be a winning season, though probably not playoff caliber.

[E.J.]

I can't wait until when Infante is batting 2nd behind Soriano. That is like OBP heaven.

[UK1679666180]

 

Lastly, with Infante now on board, Cedeno becomes even more worthless than he was last year. I wouldn't be surprised if we see him included in a package somewhere. For Crawford maybe?

 

Cedeno could probably be had for a marginal prospect at this point.

 

Quite a collection of marginal middle infielders.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

If the Cubs non-tender Infante, they dumped Jones and get $5.5MM in salary relief, paying only Jones' deferred $1MM salary bonus. I'd say that's a shrewd move, considering the Cubs were prepared to pay millions to be rid of Jones this past July.

 

Unfortunately, I don't think Hendry is smart enough to dump Infante and capture the savings, given his long-standing fetish for worthless middle infielders. And that makes this a dumb move.

 

Smart GM--this deal, and then dumps Infante

Cubs GM--sign Infante to a long-term deal!!!!

 

Ugh.

[Drew Doughty]

I just had the scary thought that Hendry might have this line-up envisioned...

 

C- Soto

1b- Lee

2b- Infante

SS- Theriot

3b-Ramirez

LF- Soriano

CF- Pie

RF- DeRosa

 

 

=D> That line-up = about 70 wins.

 

I think that's more than 70 wins...it would probably be a winning season, though probably not playoff caliber.

 

there is no way that's a winning taem. that team would be awfully lucky to win 75. or they would just be awful.