Jacque Jones Traded to Detroit for Omar Infante

[imb]

I like this deal. Now we sign Fukudome for CF while Infante takes over Fontenot's spot.

 

Hopefully this ends the Matsui speculation.

[CUBZ99]

I like this deal. Now we sign Fukudome for CF while Infante takes over Fontenot's spot.

 

Hopefully this ends the Matsui speculation.

 

Or Hendry uses the $3.5 - $4MM to fit Matsui into the budget on a 3/12MM deal?

[imb]

Kinda funny how some Tigers fans aren't pleased with the deal either...

 

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[CubColtPacer]

I just had the scary thought that Hendry might have this line-up envisioned...

 

C- Soto

1b- Lee

2b- Infante

SS- Theriot

3b-Ramirez

LF- Soriano

CF- Pie

RF- DeRosa

 

 

=D> That line-up = about 70 wins.

 

I think that's more than 70 wins...it would probably be a winning season, though probably not playoff caliber.

 

there is no way that's a winning taem. that team would be awfully lucky to win 75. or they would just be awful.

 

It's not that huge of a drop from this year's team. The differences are Floyd/Murton to Infante, Jones/Pie to just Pie, and the 2007 catchers.

 

Infante is probably around a 100 point drop from Floyd/Murton (maybe 75, maybe 150). Pie probably won't be much worse than Jones and Pie combined to do in 2007 (because Jones had a down year and Pie was absolutely awful in his time last year). Soto is an upgrade over the 2007 catchers.

 

So the lineup looks awful, but it's really not that much worse than the average lineup in 2007. With another good pitching year and another weak NL Central, they would be around 80-85 wins again with that lineup.

Edited November 12, 2007 by CubColtPacer

[Mizzou]

I like this deal. Now we sign Fukudome for CF while Infante takes over Fontenot's spot.

 

Hopefully this ends the Matsui speculation.

Good point about Fontenot. I don't think his name has even been brought up. After that good first month, he was just terrible the rest of the year. Maybe Infante is being brought in to fill Fontenot's role. I would have no problem with that at all.

[jersey cubs fan]

I like this deal. Now we sign Fukudome for CF while Infante takes over Fontenot's spot.

 

Hopefully this ends the Matsui speculation.

Good point about Fontenot. I don't think his name has even been brought up. After that good first month, he was just terrible the rest of the year. Maybe Infante is being brought in to fill Fontenot's role. I would have no problem with that at all.

 

I would much rather see them spend $350,000 on Fontenot as the 6th IF than $2m on Infante.

[imb]

I like this deal. Now we sign Fukudome for CF while Infante takes over Fontenot's spot.

 

Hopefully this ends the Matsui speculation.

Good point about Fontenot. I don't think his name has even been brought up. After that good first month, he was just terrible the rest of the year. Maybe Infante is being brought in to fill Fontenot's role. I would have no problem with that at all.

 

I would much rather see them spend $350,000 on Fontenot as the 6th IF than $2m on Infante.

 

What if it's just 1.5 mil? I'd rather have someone who has a shot at being good, Fontenot, over a full season, would be the worst hitter in the league.

[javy knows my name]

I like this deal. Now we sign Fukudome for CF while Infante takes over Fontenot's spot.

 

Hopefully this ends the Matsui speculation.

Good point about Fontenot. I don't think his name has even been brought up. After that good first month, he was just terrible the rest of the year. Maybe Infante is being brought in to fill Fontenot's role. I would have no problem with that at all.

 

I would much rather see them spend $350,000 on Fontenot as the 6th IF than $2m on Infante.

 

What if it's just 1.5 mil? I'd rather have someone who has a shot at being good, Fontenot, over a full season, would be the worst hitter in the league.

 

Yes, and it's wishful thinking to believe that Infante will play second-fiddle to Theriot/Cedeno or maybe even DeRosa following a Hendry trade(see Fontenot's role). The kid will play, at least initially.

[jersey cubs fan]

What if it's just 1.5 mil? I'd rather have someone who has a shot at being good, Fontenot, over a full season, would be the worst hitter in the league.

 

What do you mean by full season? As a starter? I'd have no interest in either starting. However, given Fontenot's numbers vs RHP this year, .297/.358/.423, I would think he'd be able to at least come close, if not exceed, Infante's career .257/.301/.387 line, as a part-time player.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I think a lot of people will end up eating their words about Infante. I can see him playing SS v. RHP and CF v. LHP. They sign Fukudome as extra insurance for CF(they like Theriot enough not to want/need extra SS insurance), and Murton is a failsafe against Fukudome falling on his face as an offensive RF.

 

Soriano

Fukudome

Lee

Ramirez

DeRosa

Pie/Soto

Soto/Theriot

Infante

 

Not awe inspiring, but probably better.

[Backtobanks]

Brinoch wrote:

"I think it'll be important to grade Hendry's body of work for this offseason as a whole, rather than one piece at a time. If trading Jones for Infante means that the Cubs can truly upgrade the offense, then I'm all in favor of it. I still that Hendry's put too much money into marginal deals (See: Blanco, Henry and Marquis, Jason), but it's nice to see him dump Jones, all things considered."

 

Brinoch, I don't know what kind of Cub fan you are coming up with logic and rationality at a time like this. Cub fans must react to every transaction (or rumor) made or not made by Hendry immediately. What kind of world would this be if we waited to see the final result before reacting. Anarchy!

[jersey cubs fan]

I think a lot of people will end up eating their words about Infante. I can see him playing SS v. RHP and CF v. LHP.

 

Which words would be eaten? The ones saying he won't play enough to hurt the team, or the ones saying his pathetic out making offense won't help the team?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

What if it's just 1.5 mil? I'd rather have someone who has a shot at being good, Fontenot, over a full season, would be the worst hitter in the league.

 

What do you mean by full season? As a starter? I'd have no interest in either starting. However, given Fontenot's numbers vs RHP this year, .297/.358/.423, I would think he'd be able to at least come close, if not exceed, Infante's career .257/.301/.387 line, as a part-time player.

 

Fontenot v. RHP

 

June: .410/.449/.689

 

Every other month: .239/.318/.289

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I think a lot of people will end up eating their words about Infante. I can see him playing SS v. RHP and CF v. LHP.

 

Which words would be eaten? The ones saying he won't play enough to hurt the team, or the ones saying his pathetic out making offense won't help the team?

 

About his offense.

[jersey cubs fan]

Brinoch wrote:

"I think it'll be important to grade Hendry's body of work for this offseason as a whole, rather than one piece at a time. If trading Jones for Infante means that the Cubs can truly upgrade the offense, then I'm all in favor of it. I still that Hendry's put too much money into marginal deals (See: Blanco, Henry and Marquis, Jason), but it's nice to see him dump Jones, all things considered."

 

Brinoch, I don't know what kind of Cub fan you are coming up with logic and rationality at a time like this. Cub fans must react to every transaction (or rumor) made or not made by Hendry immediately. What kind of world would this be if we waited to see the final result before reacting. Anarchy!

 

The only final result of the Hendry era will be once he's fired for incompetence. A major league roster is constantly in flux, every move can have an effect on future moves. Withholding judgement on any one move is not necessary. Any move can and should be critiqued on its own merits. The big picture is obviously what matters most, and the big picture has shown that Hendry's moves have created a barely above .500 overpaid ballclub.

[jersey cubs fan]

I think a lot of people will end up eating their words about Infante. I can see him playing SS v. RHP and CF v. LHP.

 

Which words would be eaten? The ones saying he won't play enough to hurt the team, or the ones saying his pathetic out making offense won't help the team?

 

About his offense.

 

So you think he will be good?

 

I'm just hoping he doesn't play often enough to hurt the ballclub, because there's virtually no chance he'll be any good.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I'm just hoping he doesn't play often enough to hurt the ballclub, because there's virtually no chance he'll be any good.

 

You can't believe this. He's 25, and he's been at least league average away from his cavernous home park for the last 3 years. It's not a guarantee by any stretch, but to write him off to awful production like he's Jose Macias or something is ignoring the context of his career.

[javy knows my name]

What if it's just 1.5 mil? I'd rather have someone who has a shot at being good, Fontenot, over a full season, would be the worst hitter in the league.

 

What do you mean by full season? As a starter? I'd have no interest in either starting. However, given Fontenot's numbers vs RHP this year, .297/.358/.423, I would think he'd be able to at least come close, if not exceed, Infante's career .257/.301/.387 line, as a part-time player.

 

Fontenot v. RHP

 

June: .410/.449/.689

 

Every other month: .239/.318/.289

 

Those "other months" were those where he saw breaking balls

[bhogg]

This sucks. "Omar Strap" doesn't have a good ring to it.

[Mizzou]

What if it's just 1.5 mil? I'd rather have someone who has a shot at being good, Fontenot, over a full season, would be the worst hitter in the league.

 

What do you mean by full season? As a starter? I'd have no interest in either starting. However, given Fontenot's numbers vs RHP this year, .297/.358/.423, I would think he'd be able to at least come close, if not exceed, Infante's career .257/.301/.387 line, as a part-time player.

 

Fontenot v. RHP

 

June: .410/.449/.689

 

Every other month: .239/.318/.289

What site did you find those numbers at? I was trying to find that breakdown earlier, but couldn't. Thanks in advance.

[Derwood]

What if it's just 1.5 mil? I'd rather have someone who has a shot at being good, Fontenot, over a full season, would be the worst hitter in the league.

 

What do you mean by full season? As a starter? I'd have no interest in either starting. However, given Fontenot's numbers vs RHP this year, .297/.358/.423, I would think he'd be able to at least come close, if not exceed, Infante's career .257/.301/.387 line, as a part-time player.

 

Fontenot v. RHP

 

June: .410/.449/.689

 

Every other month: .239/.318/.289

What site did you find those numbers at? I was trying to find that breakdown earlier, but couldn't. Thanks in advance.

 

probably baseball-reference.com. go down the page to "Splits" and pick "2007", then scroll down to the month-by-month section

[shnsajax]

If we can now use pieces of whoever to trade for Tejada and sign Fukudome this will be a great offseason.

[Mizzou]

What if it's just 1.5 mil? I'd rather have someone who has a shot at being good, Fontenot, over a full season, would be the worst hitter in the league.

 

What do you mean by full season? As a starter? I'd have no interest in either starting. However, given Fontenot's numbers vs RHP this year, .297/.358/.423, I would think he'd be able to at least come close, if not exceed, Infante's career .257/.301/.387 line, as a part-time player.

 

Fontenot v. RHP

 

June: .410/.449/.689

 

Every other month: .239/.318/.289

What site did you find those numbers at? I was trying to find that breakdown earlier, but couldn't. Thanks in advance.

 

probably baseball-reference.com. go down the page to "Splits" and pick "2007", then scroll down to the month-by-month section

Yeah, that's the first place I went. Doesn't have the stats that TT posted though.

[Balsa]

I like it. =D>

[OleMissCub]

I like it. =D>

 

It's a pretty good deal for the Tigers too. They had 10 different guys play LF and 8 different guys play RF last year. I'm guessing they'll put Jock in LF.