Jacque Jones Deal to Marlins is Off Because of Hendry

[killthegoat06]

Any news on where/when Jones might be headed?

[killthegoat06]

This is what I was talking about earlier:

 

Jones -- who was put in an awkward spot Tuesday when he learned he was about to be traded, only to find out the deal fell through -- could be gone by the time the Cubs open a three-game series Friday against Milwaukee. They are expected to get back to a 12-man pitching staff for the opener.

 

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/446986,CST-SPT-cubnt28.article

 

 

Looks like we're going with 11 pitchers for now, though, unless someone snuck into Wrigley without being spotted.

[E.J.]

This is what I was talking about earlier:

 

Jones -- who was put in an awkward spot Tuesday when he learned he was about to be traded, only to find out the deal fell through -- could be gone by the time the Cubs open a three-game series Friday against Milwaukee. They are expected to get back to a 12-man pitching staff for the opener.

 

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/446986,CST-SPT-cubnt28.article

 

 

Looks like we're going with 11 pitchers for now, though, unless someone snuck into Wrigley without being spotted.

 

I'm worried someone gets sent down to make room for a pitcher instead of Jones being traded.

[killthegoat06]

This is what I was talking about earlier:

 

Jones -- who was put in an awkward spot Tuesday when he learned he was about to be traded, only to find out the deal fell through -- could be gone by the time the Cubs open a three-game series Friday against Milwaukee. They are expected to get back to a 12-man pitching staff for the opener.

 

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/446986,CST-SPT-cubnt28.article

 

 

Looks like we're going with 11 pitchers for now, though, unless someone snuck into Wrigley without being spotted.

 

I'm worried someone gets sent down to make room for a pitcher instead of Jones being traded.

 

If we get a 12th pitcher for today's game, that's probably what will happen.

[inari]

I can't imagine we're going to have a 12th pitcher and they did this good of a job keeping it secret.

[CubColtPacer]

I can't imagine we're going to have a 12th pitcher and they did this good of a job keeping it secret.

 

Yeah, I don't think the 12th pitcher is coming today (nor does it need to after the off day).

[jjgman21]

this really doesn't belong here, but I didn't want to start a new thread.

 

 

props to Jacque Jones. after Aram escaped the scrum and ran to the dugout, Jacque was the first one on his tail looking to get in some more celebrating.

 

lesser men would have walked back to the clubhouse if in his situation.

[Andy]

this really doesn't belong here, but I didn't want to start a new thread.

 

 

props to Jacque Jones. after Aram escaped the scrum and ran to the dugout, Jacque was the first one on his tail looking to get in some more celebrating.

 

lesser men would have walked back to the clubhouse if in his situation.

It's a shame I have to dislike him for sucking, because he doesn't seem like a bad guy, just caught in a bad situation.

[Mizzou]

If Jacque is okay with his current role on the team, he doesn't have to be traded. He's quite an expensive 25th man, but we're going to be paying him either way.

 

I'd hate to make a trade during the middle of a winning streak where everything is finally gelling.

[Andy]

If Jacque is okay with his current role on the team, he doesn't have to be traded. He's quite an expensive 25th man, but we're going to be paying him either way.

 

I'd hate to make a trade during the middle of a winning streak where everything is finally gelling.

He's most certainly not ok with it, but if it comes down to keeping him as the 24th man (I'd have Izturis as the 25th) or accepting a deal like the one we almost made, I'll keep him around.

[IWU_CUBS_FAN]

this really doesn't belong here, but I didn't want to start a new thread.

 

 

props to Jacque Jones. after Aram escaped the scrum and ran to the dugout, Jacque was the first one on his tail looking to get in some more celebrating.

 

lesser men would have walked back to the clubhouse if in his situation.

eh, i dont give him too many props because he wasnt doin hardly any celebrating on Monday night when the cubs had that walkoff....he just kinda stood there and was walkin out to the crowd with soriano...

[jjgman21]

this really doesn't belong here, but I didn't want to start a new thread.

 

 

props to Jacque Jones. after Aram escaped the scrum and ran to the dugout, Jacque was the first one on his tail looking to get in some more celebrating.

 

lesser men would have walked back to the clubhouse if in his situation.

eh, i dont give him too many props because he wasnt doin hardly any celebrating on Monday night when the cubs had that walkoff....he just kinda stood there and was walkin out to the crowd with soriano...

 

I think you said this in the game thread and I looked for what you were talking about and didn't see it. he greeted Koyie Hill with high fives and hugs, they both start heading out to the mob, then you never see him or Hill again in all the footage from any angle shown on the post game highlights. furthermore, that was before the almost trade to Florida.

 

 

maybe I'm just high on Jacque because he hit me a walk off dinger against Matt Wise last night on PlayStation (a nice little foreshadowing to todays game). Carlos Zambrano with a CG, only two runs he allowed were on past balls by Michael Barrett.

[abuck1220]

If Jacque is okay with his current role on the team, he doesn't have to be traded. He's quite an expensive 25th man, but we're going to be paying him either way.

 

I'd hate to make a trade during the middle of a winning streak where everything is finally gelling.

 

do you really think trading the last man off the bench that gets one ab every three days is going to upset a winning streak? come on.

[sunnydoo]

come on.

 

where we going big guy?

 

San Diego?

 

Where in the world is Carmen Sandiego?

[SouthSideRyan]

I really have gained a lot of respect for Jacque for the way he's handled himself through all this. People tried to demonize him almost immediately by misrepresenting quotes about his situation, but Jacque has been nothing but a team player through all of this. It sucks for him, but honestly, with no clubhouse problems coming up because of it, and no real alternative better than him, there's no reason to force him off the team for nothing while paying his whole salary. I don't know how long it will take to wait out until somebody starts looking for a bat that may help them down the stretch, but paying Jacque all but the league minimum to play for somebody else is just foolish.

[E.J.]

Suntimes[/url]"]Jacque Jones remains a Cub despite efforts to trade him, complicated by corporate limits on how much debt the team can carry beyond this year. Jones' contract runs through next season, and a deal sending him to Florida was nixed because the Cubs would have paid almost all his remaining $4 million this year and $5 million next year.

 

''I'm not in an awkward situation with him at all,'' Piniella said. ''I'm going to see if Felix Pie can start swinging the bat, but I'm going to play Jacque.''

 

Doesn't sound like we'll be adding any more payroll like Hendry told us earlier in the season.

[Mizzou]

If Jacque is okay with his current role on the team, he doesn't have to be traded. He's quite an expensive 25th man, but we're going to be paying him either way.

 

I'd hate to make a trade during the middle of a winning streak where everything is finally gelling.

 

do you really think trading the last man off the bench that gets one ab every three days is going to upset a winning streak? come on.

Probably not, but why take the chance and tinker with something when it's going great?

[inari]

If Jacque is okay with his current role on the team, he doesn't have to be traded. He's quite an expensive 25th man, but we're going to be paying him either way.

 

I'd hate to make a trade during the middle of a winning streak where everything is finally gelling.

 

do you really think trading the last man off the bench that gets one ab every three days is going to upset a winning streak? come on.

Probably not, but why take the chance and tinker with something when it's going great?

 

So it can go even better.

[Bruno7481]

Suntimes[/url]"]Jacque Jones remains a Cub despite efforts to trade him, complicated by corporate limits on how much debt the team can carry beyond this year. Jones' contract runs through next season, and a deal sending him to Florida was nixed because the Cubs would have paid almost all his remaining $4 million this year and $5 million next year.

 

''I'm not in an awkward situation with him at all,'' Piniella said. ''I'm going to see if Felix Pie can start swinging the bat, but I'm going to play Jacque.''

 

Doesn't sound like we'll be adding any more payroll like Hendry told us earlier in the season.

 

This whole sale thing is quickly becoming quite the pain in the butt. I'm not even including the Jones deal in that statement. I'm more concerned about the effects it will have with Zambrano and any other potential moves before the trading deadline.

[LeftCoastCubFan]

Suntimes[/url]"]Jacque Jones remains a Cub despite efforts to trade him, complicated by corporate limits on how much debt the team can carry beyond this year. Jones' contract runs through next season, and a deal sending him to Florida was nixed because the Cubs would have paid almost all his remaining $4 million this year and $5 million next year.

 

''I'm not in an awkward situation with him at all,'' Piniella said. ''I'm going to see if Felix Pie can start swinging the bat, but I'm going to play Jacque.''

 

Doesn't sound like we'll be adding any more payroll like Hendry told us earlier in the season.

They can add payroll for this year, they just can't make commitments for next year if they feel it will effect the sale price. Paying all of Jones' salary this year is allowed. Paying it for next year is problematic.

[SouthSideRyan]

Suntimes[/url]"]Jacque Jones remains a Cub despite efforts to trade him, complicated by corporate limits on how much debt the team can carry beyond this year. Jones' contract runs through next season, and a deal sending him to Florida was nixed because the Cubs would have paid almost all his remaining $4 million this year and $5 million next year.

 

''I'm not in an awkward situation with him at all,'' Piniella said. ''I'm going to see if Felix Pie can start swinging the bat, but I'm going to play Jacque.''

 

Doesn't sound like we'll be adding any more payroll like Hendry told us earlier in the season.

They can add payroll for this year, they just can't make commitments for next year if they feel it will effect the sale price. Paying all of Jones' salary this year is allowed. Paying it for next year is problematic.

 

Why would that be problematic? We're not adding salary to next year by trding him and paying his salary. We're paying his salary either way.

[NCCubFan]

Why would that be problematic? We're not adding salary to next year by trding him and paying his salary. We're paying his salary either way.

It's adding salary in the sense that they'd be paying both him and his roster replacement. They'd be paying two players for one roster position.

[SouthSideRyan]

Why would that be problematic? We're not adding salary to next year by trding him and paying his salary. We're paying his salary either way.

It's adding salary in the sense that they'd be paying both him and his roster replacement. They'd be paying two players for one roster position.

 

And the replacement would be leage minimum which is what the Marlins were picking up.

[soccer10k]

Why would that be problematic? We're not adding salary to next year by trding him and paying his salary. We're paying his salary either way.

It's adding salary in the sense that they'd be paying both him and his roster replacement. They'd be paying two players for one roster position.

 

And the replacement would be leage minimum which is what the Marlins were picking up.

 

Not necessarily. It could be - and considering he's the 24th or 25th man right now, it's probably likely - but it might not be. But I agree with you. Considering that's likely to be the case, this was stupid not to deal him.

[Illini Iceman]

Why would that be problematic? We're not adding salary to next year by trding him and paying his salary. We're paying his salary either way.

It's adding salary in the sense that they'd be paying both him and his roster replacement. They'd be paying two players for one roster position.

 

And the replacement would be leage minimum which is what the Marlins were picking up.

 

Not necessarily. It could be - and considering he's the 24th or 25th man right now, it's probably likely - but it might not be. But I agree with you. Considering that's likely to be the case, this was stupid not to deal him.

 

I would think management would look at this deal and see that it stinks. Jones was a productive player last year so to throw away all that money because he had an awful two months and his value is at an all time low would be foolish. He can stay on the team and possibly increase his value so the Cubs can get more players / pay out less cash. Worst case he is an expensive bench player but probably as good or better than whoever his replacement is. From a risk / reward standpoint the deal would have made no sense because there was very little potential upside.