Realistically who can we get for Zambrano?

[CP_414]

In no order, without putting too much thought into it I would gladly do all of these trades...

 

Angels - Z for Santana/Wood

D'Backs - Z, Izturis for Stephen Drew, Chad Tracy, Jailen Peguero

Dodgers - Z, Dempster for Chad Billingsly, Jonathan Broxton, Matt Kemp

Yankees - Z, Dempster for A-Rod (Extensions for both teams)

Rangers - Z, Guzman for Tex (extensions for both teams)

Mets - Z for Mike Pelfrey, Lasting Milledge

Yankees - Z for Phillip Hughes + "B" Prospect

[tkenm356]

So Zambrano + ?? (Marmol? Marshall? A prospect?) + Floyd (just because the DBacks might want a safety net for Quentin and/or Byrnes) for Tracy and Livan Hernandez. Since you might run into issues trading for Tracy while he's on the DL, "suspend" Zambrano for a start. The trade could take place in about a week or so when Tracy is supposed to be ready to come off the DL.

 

Livan Hernandez? He of the career 4.16ERA and 1.41WHIP? The last time Hernandez had an above average ERA was 2003, and the last year before that when he had an above average ERA was 1997, when he started only 17 games.

 

Hooray, he'll eat innings and he never gets injured. It'd be great if he could do that whilst not sucking.

 

Hernandez and Tracy for Z, Marmol/Marshall/Prospect, and Floyd is something the Diamondbacks would sign in a heartbeat, because they realized they just fleeced the Cubs.

 

I'd rather trade Zambrano for one of Young, Quentin, Gonzales, or Upton (who probably won't be traded) and let Guzman or Marmol take a shot at the #5 job, than get Hernandez and Tracy and watch Hernandez suck it up while Tracy has to get accustomed to playing an OF position he's only played 47 games at in one of the toughest ballparks to play OF in due to the weather conditions.

 

Zambrano should go for no less than one of the top tier prospects in baseball. Anything else would have to be better, he's got way more value than that

[sunnydoo]

In no order, without putting too much thought into it I would gladly do all of these trades...

 

Angels - Z for Santana/Wood

D'Backs - Z, Izturis for Stephen Drew, Chad Tracy, Jailen Peguero

Dodgers - Z, Dempster for Chad Billingsly, Jonathan Broxton, Matt Kemp

Yankees - Z, Dempster for A-Rod (Extensions for both teams)

Rangers - Z, Guzman for Tex (extensions for both teams)

Mets - Z for Mike Pelfrey, Lasting Milledge

Yankees - Z for Phillip Hughes + "B" Prospect

 

No way any of those get done.

 

Mets and Yanks are the 2 most likely but Milledge has maturity issues and i am not sold on Pelfrey. I dont think that the Yanks have any prospects that would make up the difference between Hughes and Z, even in a contract year for Z.

 

No way the Dodgers, Dbacks take those deals, especially in the middle of a race, and no way ARod ever becomes a Cub.

[SeldomSeen]

In no order, without putting too much thought into it I would gladly do all of these trades...

 

Angels - Z for Santana/Wood

D'Backs - Z, Izturis for Stephen Drew, Chad Tracy, Jailen Peguero

Dodgers - Z, Dempster for Chad Billingsly, Jonathan Broxton, Matt Kemp

Yankees - Z, Dempster for A-Rod (Extensions for both teams)

Rangers - Z, Guzman for Tex (extensions for both teams)

Mets - Z for Mike Pelfrey, Lasting Milledge

Yankees - Z for Phillip Hughes + "B" Prospect

If you're going to do it, blow it up completely.

 

Off the cuff:

 

Z, Aramis, young arm for Arod & Phil Hughes- The timing might actually be perfect with the Yanks playing the Sox this weekend. They could realistically end this weekend more than 15 games behind the Sox in the East, and are currently 7 games out of the Wildcard.

 

DLee for Santana, Wood

 

Barrett and cash to Tampa for Baldelli/ Dukes

 

Dempster, Jones, Eyre, etc for whatever you can get.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

All of the following probably isn't feasible or fair in all instances, but...

 

Z and Murton for Kemp and LaRoche

 

Kemp and Gallagher for Tex

 

Ramirez for Weaver and Aybar

 

Barrett(if he starts hitting) for Petit or Nippert?

 

Soriano

EPatt/DeRosa

Lee

Tex

LaRoche

Pie

Soto

Aybar

 

Hill, Weaver, Lilly, Marquis, Petit/Nippert

 

Dempster, Wuertz, Guzman, Marmol, Howry, Ohman/Rapada/Pignatiello

[CardsFanInChiTown]

This thread reminds me of an apt comment from Olney Buster today in regards to Tex:

 

 

And in recent seasons, the trade value of unsigned players entering their fifth and sixth years of service time -- particularly position players -- has plummeted, as the salary cost of those players has spiraled dramatically. Teams have become much more apt to keep and play their own prospects (i.e., cheap young players) than swap them for expensive veterans. Just ask Jim Bowden, the general manager of the Washington Nationals, who kept on waiting for other teams to offer a great package for Alfonso Soriano last summer, got little action on a player in the midst of a 40-40 season and decided to simply keep Soriano.

 

 

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It'll be really tough to get a top prospect for a struggling Z.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

This thread reminds me of an apt comment from Olney Buster today in regards to Tex:

 

 

And in recent seasons, the trade value of unsigned players entering their fifth and sixth years of service time -- particularly position players -- has plummeted, as the salary cost of those players has spiraled dramatically. Teams have become much more apt to keep and play their own prospects (i.e., cheap young players) than swap them for expensive veterans. Just ask Jim Bowden, the general manager of the Washington Nationals, who kept on waiting for other teams to offer a great package for Alfonso Soriano last summer, got little action on a player in the midst of a 40-40 season and decided to simply keep Soriano.

 

 

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It'll be really tough to get a top prospect for a struggling Z.

 

In some instances, I think it's the opposite. Last year there were more top prospects that were dealt(especially considering the returns) than in previous seasons. The Dodgers paid through the nose for Baez early in the year and then later for Lugo, and they were rumored to be willing to give up some quality players for Maddux. So while Soriano wasn't moved(and he's the only example), others were dealt for almost obscene returns(lol Colletti).

[Amazing_Grace]

What we can realistically get for Z at this point is not much, but a lot can change between now and July 31. Given the payday Zambrano is likely to get next offseason, very few teams will be trading for him with the intention of signing him long term. If Z was pitching well, say around 3.25 ERA at this point, I'd try to get the Yankees to trade Hughes for Z and one of Marshall/Guzman. With Z pitching as he is now, he's not worth nearly as much to a contending team. If he doesn't markedly improve by July, the Cubs are probably just as well off to let him walk and take the draft pick. If he finishes the season with an ERA over 5, you might see if he'll sign a one or 2 year deal at around 10-11M, comparable to what Marquis/Lilly are getting and still allowing him his big payday when/if he rebounds. I doubt very much anybody will offer him Barry Zito money coming off a season that bad.

 

The Z situation, if it plays out where he has a terrible year with an ERA in the 5.50 range, is a great cautionary tale for pitchers trying to hold out for every dollar in their contract negotiations, as Z will have negotiated himself out of several million dollars and many years of financial security. It's also yet another cautionary tale for clubs offering big contracts to pitchers in the first place.

[Flames24Rulz]

This thread reminds me of an apt comment from Olney Buster today in regards to Tex:

 

 

And in recent seasons, the trade value of unsigned players entering their fifth and sixth years of service time -- particularly position players -- has plummeted, as the salary cost of those players has spiraled dramatically. Teams have become much more apt to keep and play their own prospects (i.e., cheap young players) than swap them for expensive veterans. Just ask Jim Bowden, the general manager of the Washington Nationals, who kept on waiting for other teams to offer a great package for Alfonso Soriano last summer, got little action on a player in the midst of a 40-40 season and decided to simply keep Soriano.

 

 

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It'll be really tough to get a top prospect for a struggling Z.

 

Well, you'd rather get something of value than just lose him for nothing in the offseason.

[sunnydoo]

Well, you'd rather get something of value than just lose him for nothing in the offseason.

 

Would get a sandwich pick i believe, unless they changed that too.

[baseball7897]

All of the following probably isn't feasible or fair in all instances, but...

 

Z and Murton for Kemp and LaRoche

 

Kemp and Gallagher for Tex

 

Ramirez for Weaver and Aybar

 

Barrett(if he starts hitting) for Petit or Nippert?

 

Soriano

EPatt/DeRosa

Lee

Tex

LaRoche

Pie

Soto

Aybar

 

Hill, Weaver, Lilly, Marquis, Petit/Nippert

 

Dempster, Wuertz, Guzman, Marmol, Howry, Ohman/Rapada/Pignatiello

 

Stay away from Weaver. He has alot of potential but he is not going to stay healthy in the long run.

[wrigley23]

why would the angels trade for Z when they can just sign him as a free agent? the only way to move him for anything at all would be near the trade deadline to a desparado.

[BigbadB]

I think the Mets make the most sense. They could have Pedro and Zambrano for the stretch run, and pretty much make them a lock to go to the World Series.

[d_money]

I was concerned earlier this year that because we hadn't signed Z to an extension, that we would get screwed by not trading him by 7/31 and then not re-signing him (due to new ownership) and get nothing in return.

 

After yesterday's fiasco, Z will definitely be moved and ensures that we'll get at least a couple of good prospects/every day players in return.

 

Even though yesterday looked bad, teams are still ready and willing to deal for Z.

[NCCubFan]

why would the angels trade for Z when they can just sign him as a free agent?

First, he won't help them win this year if they wait to sign him. Second, who's to say he'd choose to sign with them and not another team, such as the Yankees or Red Sox? They may feel that trading for him this year gives them a leg up on re-signing him after the season.

[frostwyrm]

25 cents on the dollar

 

That sounds about right. I can't imagine he would still command a top prospect. His numbers stink, his velocity is down, and it's too late in the season. Fighting a teammate didn't help either.

[anabiono]

as much as i want to see barrett go, i can't believe some of you are entertaining the likes of baldelli and dukes

 

no bueno

[Rusch33]

A-Rod's a pipe dream.

 

He'll go to Boston or Anaheim if he opts up.

[Backtobanks]

Anyone who thinks that Zambrano's stock is sinking fast is kidding themselves. Most of the GMs are chasing pitchers coming off arm surgeries with multi-year contracts. Any offers might start off low, but once the serious bidding starts people will remember he is a slightly crazy, 26 year old, stud right hander with a winning record in his career.

[Milli1306]

A-Rod's a pipe dream.

 

He'll go to Boston or Anaheim if he opts up.

 

I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that A-Rod would not go to Boston. The fans there already hate him.

[Keener98]

A-Rod's a pipe dream.

 

He'll go to Boston or Anaheim if he opts up.

 

I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that A-Rod would not go to Boston. The fans there already hate him.

 

As did the Yankee fans regarding Damon. Whats your point?

[Brian]

Is Lastings Milledge a possibility?

 

Should set us up in the OF for a whle

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'd do Zambrano for Saltalamacchia in a heartbeat. I'd prefer to look toward Anaheim or Arizona.

 

If Anaheim would do a Brandon Wood for Zambrano, that might be our best bet.

[inari]

as much as i want to see barrett go, i can't believe some of you are entertaining the likes of baldelli and dukes

 

no bueno

 

Both are young and loaded with potential. I don't know what better we could get for Barrett.

[Magnetic Curses]

Is Lastings Milledge a possibility?

 

Should set us up in the OF for a whle

 

i was thinking that, but i think the mets would have to include more than that.