Its Bowl Season...

CubColtPacer · November 30, 2006

I am on record not supporting a remach. However, your logic in this case is completely flawed.

Teams don't get awarded style points. OSU dominated the game as they have every other game this year, but it was still close, and that is all that matters.

Of course they do. Teams that win impressively are often moved ahead of teams that don't win impressively. This in turn effects the BCS. The same goes for losses. If someone beleives that Michigan didn't play as well as the score indicated, then sure, it does matter.

When and where?

Before you go looking don't waste your time. It is impossible. There are too many variables in play to make such an argument. Did Michigan lose spots when they barely beat Ball State or OSU when they barely beat Illinois?

A ND fan could probably tell you the exact occasion(s) but I believe ND dropped in the polls one week after winning that weekend.

ND dropped in the polls (2 spots) after beating GT in week 1 because it was determined that they didn't win in an impressive enough fashion.

They then dropped again after they beat UCLA because they didn't win in an impressive enough fashion-it was 2 spots again-one team they dropped behind had beaten Alabama by 3 the other week, and the other team they dropped behind was off that week.

After Army, they dropped again for the same reason (although this one has a possible other explanation depending on how the pollsters put Rutgers the week previous, who lost to Cincy that same week).

A team can most certainly drop after winning unimpressively-ND has shown it can happen multiple times this year.

cubweiser03 · November 30, 2006

I could make many arguements why UM should play in the NCG and also why USC should play in too. Its the system we live in. Accept your fate and move on. I havent once seen this abbreviation in these college football threads.

MNC

Mythical National Champion.

If Michigan makes it....great. If not move on. Unless you go undefeated you have no one else to blame in this system. You suffer the finger of fate like everyone else. I love CFB.

Thanks,

Screw USC

CubinNY · November 30, 2006

I am on record not supporting a remach. However, your logic in this case is completely flawed.

Teams don't get awarded style points. OSU dominated the game as they have every other game this year, but it was still close, and that is all that matters.

Of course they do. Teams that win impressively are often moved ahead of teams that don't win impressively. This in turn effects the BCS. The same goes for losses. If someone beleives that Michigan didn't play as well as the score indicated, then sure, it does matter.

When and where?

Before you go looking don't waste your time. It is impossible. There are too many variables in play to make such an argument. Did Michigan lose spots when they barely beat Ball State or OSU when they barely beat Illinois?

A ND fan could probably tell you the exact occasion(s) but I believe ND dropped in the polls one week after winning that weekend.

ND dropped in the polls (2 spots) after beating GT in week 1 because it was determined that they didn't win in an impressive enough fashion.

They then dropped again after they beat UCLA because they didn't win in an impressive enough fashion-it was 2 spots again-one team they dropped behind had beaten Alabama by 3 the other week, and the other team they dropped behind was off that week.

After Army, they dropped again for the same reason (although this one has a possible other explanation depending on how the pollsters put Rutgers the week previous, who lost to Cincy that same week).

A team can most certainly drop after winning unimpressively-ND has shown it can happen multiple times this year.

ND beating up the weak sisters of D1 did not happen in a vacuum. I'm not that interested to go ook in to it any further but there probably where other variables in play that could explain dropping in the polls, like who the teams behind them beat, among other things.

The entire BCS is a travisty. No, it is a sham. No a mockery. It is a travishamockery.

CubColtPacer · November 30, 2006

I am on record not supporting a remach. However, your logic in this case is completely flawed.

Teams don't get awarded style points. OSU dominated the game as they have every other game this year, but it was still close, and that is all that matters.

Of course they do. Teams that win impressively are often moved ahead of teams that don't win impressively. This in turn effects the BCS. The same goes for losses. If someone beleives that Michigan didn't play as well as the score indicated, then sure, it does matter.

When and where?

Before you go looking don't waste your time. It is impossible. There are too many variables in play to make such an argument. Did Michigan lose spots when they barely beat Ball State or OSU when they barely beat Illinois?

A ND fan could probably tell you the exact occasion(s) but I believe ND dropped in the polls one week after winning that weekend.

ND dropped in the polls (2 spots) after beating GT in week 1 because it was determined that they didn't win in an impressive enough fashion.

They then dropped again after they beat UCLA because they didn't win in an impressive enough fashion-it was 2 spots again-one team they dropped behind had beaten Alabama by 3 the other week, and the other team they dropped behind was off that week.

After Army, they dropped again for the same reason (although this one has a possible other explanation depending on how the pollsters put Rutgers the week previous, who lost to Cincy that same week).

A team can most certainly drop after winning unimpressively-ND has shown it can happen multiple times this year.

ND beating up the weak sisters of D1 did not happen in a vacuum. I'm not that interested to go ook in to it any further but there probably where other variables in play that could explain dropping in the polls, like who the teams behind them beat, among other things.

The entire BCS is a travisty. No, it is a sham. No a mockery. It is a travishamockery.

Well, in week 1 there is certainly no question. If you can find a single team behind ND who beat a better opponent then them that week besides USC (and Arkansas wasn't regarded better than GT at the time) than let me know. I can tell you one thing though-if ND had beaten GT 50-14 and USC had beaten Arkansas 14-10, there is no way that USC moves past ND in the polls. It was the style points.

In the UCLA example, it was the same way. Tennessee beat Alabama, who isn't really any better than UCLA. Florida didn't play anybody, so they really had nothing to move up with.

Style points matter a great deal in the polls, and how much a team wins by can determine if they go to a better game or not, or even to the national title game.

SouthSideRyan · November 30, 2006

I could make many arguements why UM should play in the NCG and also why USC should play in too. Its the system we live in. Accept your fate and move on. I havent once seen this abbreviation in these college football threads.

MNC
Mythical National Champion.

Mention USC '03-'04 and I bet Raisin will chime in with it.

BigSlick · November 30, 2006

If the Alamo Bowl selects Kansas State or Texas Tech ahead of Missouri, I'm gonna be very upset. Missouri beat both of those teams and has 25 players from texas, including Chase Daniel, a legend in Texas. And I dont wanna hear any crap about not traveling well, because if other schools went through the crap that Mizzou went through, they'd travel like crap too. And by the way, when Missouri played in Shreveport Louisiana, we brought around 13 to 14 thousand people. I really hope they don't screw us. Take Texas or Texas A&M, but not those other two schools.

I just want Kansas to make a bowl game - only because their coach is a really bad fatty.

http://media.kansan.com/img/photos/2005/09/11/mangino_t450.jpg

He also has one of the best coaching rants in the history of the game. (Probably due to his fatness)

After his team (allegedly) got jobbed by officials in a key game against Texas, he screamed about the BCS.

Can't say I don't agree with him.

sweetpeteman · November 30, 2006

I updated the schedule to what I now know, so its current as of 5 am Thus, the 30th.

hardcorecubfan · November 30, 2006

It should be Ohio State and Michigan comon losing to OSU by three in Columbus drops you.

Listen to what frank Duford says about it in his commentary on NPR. I definetly agree.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6553638
Once again:

That game should never have been that close.

Ohio State thoroughly dominated the game, and if not for Troy Smith fumbling a snap and Doug Datish completely botching another, Ohio State wins the game by 13 or 17 and we're not even having this discussion.

but they did, so it was that close. As they say, if the Queen had balls...
The point is, it's not like Michigan played well enough to force a rematch. OSU just played imperfectly enough to keep the game close.

So where does USC look so great that they deserve #2? Their conference was weaker this year

TruffleShuffle · November 30, 2006

So where does USC look so great that they deserve #2? Their conference was weaker this year

handily beat Arkansas, Cal, Oregon, Nebraska and ND - not too bad.

Andy · November 30, 2006

It should be Ohio State and Michigan comon losing to OSU by three in Columbus drops you.

Listen to what frank Duford says about it in his commentary on NPR. I definetly agree.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6553638
Once again:

That game should never have been that close.

Ohio State thoroughly dominated the game, and if not for Troy Smith fumbling a snap and Doug Datish completely botching another, Ohio State wins the game by 13 or 17 and we're not even having this discussion.

but they did, so it was that close. As they say, if the Queen had balls...
The point is, it's not like Michigan played well enough to force a rematch. OSU just played imperfectly enough to keep the game close.

So where does USC look so great that they deserve #2? Their conference was weaker this year

No, it wasn't. At the top the Big Ten was better but apart from Stanford, the bottom tier of the Pac-10 is miles ahead of IU, Northwestern, etc.

Chocolate Milk · November 30, 2006

I am on record not supporting a remach. However, your logic in this case is completely flawed.

Teams don't get awarded style points. OSU dominated the game as they have every other game this year, but it was still close, and that is all that matters.

Of course they do. Teams that win impressively are often moved ahead of teams that don't win impressively. This in turn effects the BCS. The same goes for losses. If someone beleives that Michigan didn't play as well as the score indicated, then sure, it does matter.

When and where?

Before you go looking don't waste your time. It is impossible. There are too many variables in play to make such an argument. Did Michigan lose spots when they barely beat Ball State or OSU when they barely beat Illinois?

Pointing out one game doesn't exactly prove your point.

Every single week pundits talk about how a certian team has to win "Impressively" to impress the voters. The voter votes based on their personal opinion of the teams. They are absolutely influenced by the way a team play either in a victory or a loss. I don't know what to tell you.

soccer10k · November 30, 2006

It should be Ohio State and Michigan comon losing to OSU by three in Columbus drops you.

Listen to what frank Duford says about it in his commentary on NPR. I definetly agree.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6553638
Once again:

That game should never have been that close.

Ohio State thoroughly dominated the game, and if not for Troy Smith fumbling a snap and Doug Datish completely botching another, Ohio State wins the game by 13 or 17 and we're not even having this discussion.

but they did, so it was that close. As they say, if the Queen had balls...
The point is, it's not like Michigan played well enough to force a rematch. OSU just played imperfectly enough to keep the game close.

So where does USC look so great that they deserve #2? Their conference was weaker this year

The Pac 10 was arguably the best conference in the nation this year.

Transmogrified Tiger · November 30, 2006

So where does USC look so great that they deserve #2? Their conference was weaker this year

The Pac 10 was arguably the best conference in the nation this year.

:lol:

SouthSideRyan · December 1, 2006

So where does USC look so great that they deserve #2? Their conference was weaker this year

The Pac 10 was arguably the best conference in the nation this year.

:lol:

You're right, there is no argument. They were definitely the best conference in the nation.

UK1679666180 · December 2, 2006

South Carolina papers are reporting that USC will play in the Liberty Bowl vs. Houston and UK will play likely Clemson in the Music City Bowl.

Wouldn't USC vs. Clemson be a better battle?

Transmogrified Tiger · December 2, 2006

South Carolina papers are reporting that USC will play in the Liberty Bowl vs. Houston and UK will play likely Clemson in the Music City Bowl.

Wouldn't USC vs. Clemson be a better battle?

It'd be a rematch of a game that was just played.

CuseCubFan69 · December 3, 2006

I will be highly annoyed if Michigan gets a second chance at Ohio State when other 1 loss teams don't. They had their shot, why do they get a second one?

UK1679666180 · December 3, 2006

South Carolina papers are reporting that USC will play in the Liberty Bowl vs. Houston and UK will play likely Clemson in the Music City Bowl.

Wouldn't USC vs. Clemson be a better battle?

It'd be a rematch of a game that was just played.

That works for me!

TruffleShuffle · December 3, 2006

I will be highly annoyed if Michigan gets a second chance at Ohio State when other 1 loss teams don't. They had their shot, why do they get a second one?

I'd like to see Florida play for it. But Michigan does have a legitimate claim to play for it - they probably are the second best team in the country. You compare their loss to the losses of Louisville, Rutgers or Florida, and Michigan's loss is the "best" one.

CuseCubFan69 · December 3, 2006

I will be highly annoyed if Michigan gets a second chance at Ohio State when other 1 loss teams don't. They had their shot, why do they get a second one?

I'd like to see Florida play for it. But Michigan does have a legitimate claim to play for it - they probably are the second best team in the country. You compare their loss to the losses of Louisville, Rutgers or Florida, and Michigan's loss is the "best" one.

If Michigan were in the SEC or ACC I would be fine with them being one of the teams that could play Ohio State but they didn't even win their own conference and already lost to Ohio State. How do you know if another team could have beaten Ohio State when Michigan gets to play them twice? Louisville lost to Rutgers in the last seconds at Rutgers, for some reason they drop like a stone and are "eliminated" while Michigan and Florida get to lose a game. Don't you see how unfair this is? We don't know who is the best 1 loss team is but we do know that Ohio State beat Michigan.

TruffleShuffle · December 3, 2006

If Michigan were in the SEC or ACC I would be fine with them being one of the teams that could play Ohio State but they didn't even win their own conference and already lost to Ohio State. How do you know if another team could have beaten Ohio State when Michigan gets to play them twice? Louisville lost to Rutgers in the last seconds at Rutgers, for some reason they drop like a stone and are "eliminated" while Michigan and Florida get to lose a game. Don't you see how unfair this is? We don't know who is the best 1 loss team is but we do know that Ohio State beat Michigan.

Hey, I'd be happy with Louisville playing Ohio State. It'd give me a game to put huge points on in my college confidence picks.

sweetpeteman · December 3, 2006

BOWL 	LOCATION 	DATE/TIME 	NETWORK
San Diego County Credit Union Poinsettia
TCU vs. Northern Illinois 	      San Diego 	Dec. 19, 8 p.m. 	ESPN2 HD

Pioneer PureVision Las Vegas
BYU vs. Oregon 	                 Las Vegas 	Dec. 21, 8 p.m. 	ESPN HD

R&L Carriers New Orleans Bowl
Rice vs. TBD 	                 New Orleans 	Dec. 22, 8 p.m. 	ESPN2 HD

Papajohns.com Bowl
East Carolina vs. TBD 	     Birmingham, Ala. 	Dec. 23, 1 p.m. 	ESPN2 HD

New Mexico
New Mexico vs. SJ State       Albuquerque, N.M. 	Dec. 23, 4:30 p.m. 	ESPN HD

Bell Helicopter Armed Forces
Utah vs. Tulsa      	       Fort Worth, Texas 	Dec. 23, 8 p.m. 	ESPN HD

Sheraton Hawaii
Hawaii vs. Arizona State 	        Honolulu 	Dec. 24, 8 p.m. 	ESPN HD

Motor City
Central Michigan vs. TBD 	        Detroit 	Dec. 26, 7:30 p.m. 	ESPN HD

Emerald 	
Floria State vs UCLA                 San Francisco 	Dec. 27, 8 p.m. 	ESPN HD

PetroSun Independence 	
TBD vs TBD                      Shreveport, La. 	Dec. 28, 4:30 p.m. 	ESPN HD

Pacific Life Holiday 	
Texas A&M vs Cal                      San Diego 	Dec. 28, 8 p.m. 	ESPN HD

Texas 	
TBD vs TBD                                 Houston 	Dec. 28, 8 p.m. 	NFL Network

Gaylord Hotels Music City 	
Clemsonvs. TBD                 Nashville, Tenn. 	Dec. 29, 1 p.m. 	ESPN HD

Brut Sun
Oregon State vs. TBD 	          El Paso, Texas 	Dec. 29, 2 p.m. 	CBS

AutoZone Liberty 	
Houston vs South Carolina         Memphis, Tenn. 	Dec. 29, 4:30 p.m. 	ESPN HD

Insight
Minnesota vs. TBD 	           Tempe, Ariz. 	Dec. 29, 7:30 p.m. 	NFL Network

Champs Sports
Purdue vs. TBD 	                   Orlando, Fla. 	Dec. 29, 8 p.m. 	ESPN HD

Meineke Car Care
Navy vs. TBD 	                Charlotte, N.C. 	Dec. 30, 1 p.m. 	ESPN HD

Alamo
Iowa vs. TBD 	                    San Antonio 	Dec. 30, 4:30 p.m. 	ESPN HD

Chick-fil-A 	
TBD vs  TBD                                     Atlanta 	Dec. 30, 8 p.m. 	ESPN HD

MPC Computers 	
Miami vs Nevada                      Boise, Idaho 	Dec. 31, 7:30 p.m. 	ESPN HD

Outback
Penn State vs. TBD 	                Tampa, Fla. 	Jan. 1, 11 a.m. 	ESPN HD

AT&T Cotton 	
TBD vs TBD                                       Dallas 	Jan. 1, 11:30 a.m. 	FOX

Toyota Gator 	
Georgia Tech vs TBD                    Jacksonville, Fla. 	Jan. 1, 1 p.m. 	CBS

Capital One
Wisconsin vs. TBD 	                         Orlando, Fla. 	Jan. 1, 1 p.m. 	 ABC HD

Rose 	
USC vs LSU                             Pasadena, Calif. 	Jan. 1, 5 p.m.   ABC HD

Tostitos Fiesta 	
Oklahoma vs TBD                              Glendale, Ariz. 	Jan. 1, 8 p.m.      FOX

FedEx Orange 	
Wake Forest vs TDB                                Miami 	     Jan. 2, 8 p.m. 	FOX

Allstate Sugar 	
TBD vs TBD                                      New Orleans      Jan. 3, 8 p.m. 	FOX

International
Western Michigan vs. TBD 	                Toronto 	Jan. 6, Noon 	ESPN2 HD

GMAC 	
Ohio vs TBD                                      Mobile, Ala. 	Jan. 7, 8 p.m. 	ESPN HD

BCS Championship Game 	
Ohio State vs TBD                       Glendale, Ariz. 	Jan. 8, 8 p.m. 	FOX

As updated as it can be, some second hand info, so it might not be completely correct.

Edited December 3, 2006 by sweetpeteman

chuckywang · December 3, 2006

Can you format that a little bit better?

soccer10k · December 3, 2006

Minor nitpicking but LSU isn't guaranteed to be in the Rose Bowl yet. If Florida goes to the title game Michigan will face USC in the Rose. Also, Oklahoma will be going to the Fiesta Bowl.

sweetpeteman · December 3, 2006

Minor nitpicking but LSU isn't guaranteed to be in the Rose Bowl yet. If Florida goes to the title game Michigan will face USC in the Rose. Also, Oklahoma will be going to the Fiesta Bowl.

Its just preliminary stuff, with some guesses and estimates.

Not the greatest format because its hard to format. Deal with it.

Its Bowl Season...

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