College Football - Championship Week

[Mephistopheles]

is he really trying to argue that penn state did more than auburn?

 

jesus get a clue

[soccer10k]

14th rated in total defense even though they faced four of the top 11 in the country is pretty damn difficult to accomplish.

 

not if you have a great defense. Penn State has one of the 10 best defenses in the country. But they're 55th in offense and 72nd in turnover margin, and all of their good offensive performances came against bad teams.

 

typically a top 10 defense in the country is enough to get you ranked no matter how bad your offense is. that's a little difficult when you play four teams that are better than you overall and you don't pull any of them out. typically a team with a top ten D gets into the top 25.

 

Auburn's offense has proven to be only marginally better, their defense only marginally better. yet they find themselves sitting at what, #10? after getting smoked by a generall uninspiring Georgia team two weeks ago? c'mon man. the difference between those two teams are slight. certainly the difference is not one at #10 and one not rated whatsoever.

 

TCU is 4th in total defense and they just got ranked this week. Miami is 5th in total defense and they aren't ranked. Wyoming is 8th in total defense and they aren't ranked. Georgia is 9th in total defense and they aren't ranked. Western Michigan is 11th. Clemson is 12th. Florida St is 15th.

 

All of those teams are ahead of Penn State (16th) in total defense.

[jjgman21]

is he really trying to argue that penn state did more than auburn?

 

jesus get a clue

 

read the fricken thread, punkass

[TruffleShuffle]

14th rated in total defense even though they faced four of the top 11 in the country is pretty damn difficult to accomplish.

 

not if you have a great defense. Penn State has one of the 10 best defenses in the country. But they're 55th in offense and 72nd in turnover margin, and all of their good offensive performances came against bad teams.

 

typically a top 10 defense in the country is enough to get you ranked no matter how bad your offense is. that's a little difficult when you play four teams that are better than you overall and you don't pull any of them out. typically a team with a top ten D gets into the top 25.

 

Auburn's offense has proven to be only marginally better, their defense only marginally better. yet they find themselves sitting at what, #10? after getting smoked by a generall uninspiring Georgia team two weeks ago? c'mon man. the difference between those two teams are slight. certainly the difference is not one at #10 and one not rated whatsoever.

 

TCU is 4th in total defense and they just got ranked this week. Miami is 5th in total defense and they aren't ranked. Wyoming is 8th in total defense and they aren't ranked. Georgia is 9th in total defense and they aren't ranked. Western Michigan is 11th. Clemson is 12th. Florida St is 15th.

 

All of those teams are ahead of Penn State (16th) in total defense.

 

Penn State played a harder schedule and better offenses than nearly all of those teams. Florida State, Miami and Georgia have defenses in the same league as Penn State, but the rest don't.

[J.R.]

It's a terrible system that doesn't work.

[soccer10k]

14th rated in total defense even though they faced four of the top 11 in the country is pretty damn difficult to accomplish.

 

not if you have a great defense. Penn State has one of the 10 best defenses in the country. But they're 55th in offense and 72nd in turnover margin, and all of their good offensive performances came against bad teams.

 

typically a top 10 defense in the country is enough to get you ranked no matter how bad your offense is. that's a little difficult when you play four teams that are better than you overall and you don't pull any of them out. typically a team with a top ten D gets into the top 25.

 

Auburn's offense has proven to be only marginally better, their defense only marginally better. yet they find themselves sitting at what, #10? after getting smoked by a generall uninspiring Georgia team two weeks ago? c'mon man. the difference between those two teams are slight. certainly the difference is not one at #10 and one not rated whatsoever.

 

TCU is 4th in total defense and they just got ranked this week. Miami is 5th in total defense and they aren't ranked. Wyoming is 8th in total defense and they aren't ranked. Georgia is 9th in total defense and they aren't ranked. Western Michigan is 11th. Clemson is 12th. Florida St is 15th.

 

All of those teams are ahead of Penn State (16th) in total defense.

 

Penn State played a harder schedule and better offenses than nearly all of those teams. Florida State, Miami and Georgia have defenses in the same league as Penn State, but the rest don't.

 

My point was that a good defense isn't everything and doesn't make you a good team and doesn't mean you should automatically be ranked.

[CubColtPacer]

The "screw records, conferences, and game resumes, vote for the best team" argument is pretty laughable.

 

As is the put an inferior team in the title game argument.

 

Inferior by what criteria? records? game resumes?

 

Florida's terrible play 6 of the last 7 games?

 

They played terribly last night?

 

Did you watch the game last night? They looked pretty awful until Fish for Arkansas decided to be a bonehead and muff the punt at his own 3-yard line.

 

Yet they beat a top 10 team by 10 points. Funny how easy it is to write that off.

 

Hey, here are some close games against mediocre competition:

 

at Cincinnati (7-7) W 23-19

at Northwestern (3-9, 1-7 conference) W 27-16

at Wisconsin (8-6, 2-6 conference) W 19-14

Penn State (8-4, 5-3 conference) W 13-7

at Purdue (4-4, 7-6 conference) W 10-6

at Illinois (5-7, 4-4 conference) W 23-16

Michigan (10-3, 6-2 conference) W 14-9

 

 

A lot of close games against some not-so-great competition. Maybe this team shouldn't have been allowed to play for a championship either.

 

True, but that team was behind every team with a similar record to them all season (of the major conference teams) and only got into the title game because all of the other teams lost a game. If they had 1 loss that year along with some of the other teams (or if one of those other teams went undefeated), they would not have made the title game. There wasn't anybody else to pick at the end though that year.

[TruffleShuffle]

It's a terrible system that doesn't work.

 

Yeah well we all KNOW this, but what's the sense in sitting here saying the BCS sucks? It does and everyone knows it does, but we're stuck with it, so we might as well debate the garbage they've given us.

[Soul]

It's a terrible system that doesn't work.

 

Yeah well we all KNOW this, but what's the sense in sitting here saying the BCS sucks? It does and everyone knows it does, but we're stuck with it, so we might as well debate the garbage they've given us.

 

I won't participate. I won't be a slave to the BCS and their ridiculous, incessant, pointless "who got dissed" arguments every year.

 

You shouldn't either. Right now they're laughing at us.

[jjgman21]

 

Penn State played a harder schedule and better offenses than nearly all of those teams. Florida State, Miami and Georgia have defenses in the same league as Penn State, but the rest don't.

 

My point was that a good defense isn't everything and doesn't make you a good team and doesn't mean you should automatically be ranked.

 

well you glib refutation of the way things typically go without taking anything else into consideration (with the above three teams, coaching and discipline comes to mind) doesn't defeat my point in it's entirety.

 

I look at the teams 19-25 and can say with confidence that if Penn State played all six, they would beat at least three of them. to me that means they should be ranked. yet unsurprisingly, the SEC has the top ranked 1 loss team, the top ranked 2 loss team, the top ranked 3 loss team, AND Tennessee, who shouldn't be in the top 25 at all.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

is he really trying to argue that penn state did more than auburn?

 

jesus get a clue

 

read the fricken thread, punkass

 

No name-calling.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

Penn State played a harder schedule and better offenses than nearly all of those teams. Florida State, Miami and Georgia have defenses in the same league as Penn State, but the rest don't.

 

My point was that a good defense isn't everything and doesn't make you a good team and doesn't mean you should automatically be ranked.

 

well you glib refutation of the way things typically go without taking anything else into consideration (with the above three teams, coaching and discipline comes to mind) doesn't defeat my point in it's entirety.

 

I look at the teams 19-25 and can say with confidence that if Penn State played all six, they would beat at least three of them. to me that means they should be ranked. yet unsurprisingly, the SEC has the top ranked 1 loss team, the top ranked 2 loss team, the top ranked 3 loss team, AND Tennessee, who shouldn't be in the top 25 at all.

 

But Tommy Tuberville told me the SEC gets screwed over!

[Mephistopheles]

Why is Tennessee undeserving of being in the top twenty-five? Their losses came to #12 Arkansas, #4 LSU and #2 Florida. They beat #18 Cal, #29 Georgia, and #38 South Carolina.

 

Penn State lost to #1 Ohio State, #3 Michigan, #7 Wisconsin and #11 Notre Dame. But they have beaten, um #43 Minnesota and nothing else. And you can say but those four losses were to great teams, but if Tennessee had lost to Cal, Cal would be 10-2 and probably sitting ahead of Notre Dame. So they'd both be at four losses but guess what, Tennessee had better wins so they should be higher, and if Penn State is #26, then well Tennessee should be somewhere in the top twenty-five.

 

The simple fact is that Penn State doesnt have a win over a top 30 team. Those teams 19-25?

 

#19 Texas: Oklahoma and Nebraska

#20 BYU: TCU

#21 Texas A&M: Texas

#22 Oregon State: USC, Oregon and Hawaii

#23 Nebraska: Texas A&M

#24 Boston College: BYU

#25 UCLA: USC and Oregon State

#26 Penn State: None

 

Once again Penn State's best argument is who they lost to, not who they beat. That's not earning anything...

[CaliforniaRaisin]

#25 UCLA: USC and Oregon State

 

Wow, I didn't realize UCLA was up to the top-25 in the BCS. What a great turnaround by Dorrell the past few weeks.

 

WE BEAT USC! :D

[CaliforniaRaisin]

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[NewUserName]

is he really trying to argue that penn state did more than auburn?

 

jesus get a clue

 

The Problem is that not one of the so called elite SEC schools played a decent non-conference road game. Only Tennessee played a decent non-con home game. There really is no proof that the SEC is this superior conference that the persistant whining coach of Florida says they are. Truth is Florida would have lost 1 or 2 games in the Big Ten also. I am guessing that Penn St would give them all they could handle in Happy Valley also. The SEC schools keep saying how tough they are because they are ranked so high but seem to not consider that Michigan was ranked higher until some humans used poor judgement and put Florida in front of them because they dont want a rematch.

 

 

I actually came in to post about how funny it was that Michigan didnt even take part in the hokey fox bowl selection pokey. Carr left a quote for them though that was pretty typical of him. The Fox guy than kind of called Carr out without mentioning all the incesant whining done by a certain Florida coach the last couple of weeks while Carr had been pretty classy even when past by USC.

 

Lasty again I just think this whole thing shows the dire need for some sort of playoff. I mean LSU is completely locked out after 2 tough road losses. Louisville doesnt even get a shot. What happened to Oklahoma. Boise St being undefeated. All of these teams at least deserve a shot at playing for a title, not to mention the pissing match between Michigan and Florida supporters. I will give Urban Meyer credit for at least saying there still needs to be a playoff even after the BCS worked out for his team. I think it is getting a lot closer know that several SEC schools and I would think now Michigan are in favor.

[soccer10k]

is he really trying to argue that penn state did more than auburn?

 

jesus get a clue

 

The Problem is that not one of the so called elite SEC schools played a decent non-conference road game. Only Tennessee played a decent non-con home game. There really is no proof that the SEC is this superior conference that the persistant whining coach of Florida says they are. Truth is Florida would have lost 1 or 2 games in the Big Ten also. I am guessing that Penn St would give them all they could handle in Happy Valley also. The SEC schools keep saying how tough they are because they are ranked so high but seem to not consider that Michigan was ranked higher until some humans used poor judgement and put Florida in front of them because they dont want a rematch.

 

 

I actually came in to post about how funny it was that Michigan didnt even take part in the hokey fox bowl selection pokey. Carr left a quote for them though that was pretty typical of him. The Fox guy than kind of called Carr out without mentioning all the incesant whining done by a certain Florida coach the last couple of weeks while Carr had been pretty classy even when past by USC.

 

Lasty again I just think this whole thing shows the dire need for some sort of playoff. I mean LSU is completely locked out after 2 tough road losses. Louisville doesnt even get a shot. What happened to Oklahoma. Boise St being undefeated. All of these teams at least deserve a shot at playing for a title, not to mention the pissing match between Michigan and Florida supporters. I will give Urban Meyer credit for at least saying there still needs to be a playoff even after the BCS worked out for his team. I think it is getting a lot closer know that several SEC schools and I would think now Michigan are in favor.

 

The point is that one could argue quite easily that two of the teams Auburn defeated (LSU and Florida) are very good teams. You can't make that same argument with a single team Penn State defeated. The argument defending Penn State starts and ends with the fact that the 4 games they lost were to teams with a combined record of 44-4. That's all well and good. But that says nothing about a team. You need to look at who a team beat. Penn State beat nobody. Not a single good team. That's why the argument that Penn State is comparable to Auburn is so ludicrous.

[CuseCubFan69]

If Meyere doesn't want to sound like a whinny baby he should still complain about the BCS. If he doesn't, he's just a wuss.

[UK1679666180]

If Meyere doesn't want to sound like a whinny baby he should still complain about the BCS. If he doesn't, he's just a wuss.

 

He did, he said it's impossible for them to determine which one loss team deserves to go over another. He predicts there will be a playoff system.

[Soul]

If Meyere doesn't want to sound like a whinny baby he should still complain about the BCS. If he doesn't, he's just a wuss.

 

He did, he said it's impossible for them to determine which one loss team deserves to go over another. He predicts there will be a playoff system.

 

What I really hope happens is Florida wins by 1, and Michigan destroys USC by like 25.

 

Split National Championship. BCS collapso-matic FAILURE. TILT!! TILT!!

[Mark_R]

If Meyere doesn't want to sound like a whinny baby he should still complain about the BCS. If he doesn't, he's just a wuss.

 

He did, he said it's impossible for them to determine which one loss team deserves to go over another. He predicts there will be a playoff system.

 

What I really hope happens is Florida wins by 1, and Michigan destroys USC by like 25.

 

Split National Championship. BCS collapso-matic FAILURE. TILT!! TILT!!

 

Florida would have a win over a previously zero loss team. I see no scenario with a split championship.

[Soul]

If Meyere doesn't want to sound like a whinny baby he should still complain about the BCS. If he doesn't, he's just a wuss.

 

He did, he said it's impossible for them to determine which one loss team deserves to go over another. He predicts there will be a playoff system.

 

What I really hope happens is Florida wins by 1, and Michigan destroys USC by like 25.

 

Split National Championship. BCS collapso-matic FAILURE. TILT!! TILT!!

 

Florida would have a win over a previously zero loss team. I see no scenario with a split championship.

 

Probably. You just want to pee in my wheaties this morning don't you? 8-)

[Mark_R]

If Meyere doesn't want to sound like a whinny baby he should still complain about the BCS. If he doesn't, he's just a wuss.

 

He did, he said it's impossible for them to determine which one loss team deserves to go over another. He predicts there will be a playoff system.

 

What I really hope happens is Florida wins by 1, and Michigan destroys USC by like 25.

 

Split National Championship. BCS collapso-matic FAILURE. TILT!! TILT!!

 

Florida would have a win over a previously zero loss team. I see no scenario with a split championship.

 

Probably. You just want to pee in my wheaties this morning don't you? 8-)

 

I hear that's the way I've been recently ;)

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Every powerhouse in the SEC is pretty much for a playoff.

 

BTW, Les Miles said he voted Florida over Michigan.

[CubinNY]

This is why they either have to ALL have conference championship game or none have them.

 

If Wisconson gets a chance against OSU in a title game and beat them then it's Florida vs Wisconson.

 

Florida has no business playing in this game.