College Football - Championship Week

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Why am I not surprised that Lou partially credited the fact that USC played ND last week while UCLA had a week off for the upset?

 

(Although while at ND, Lou was nearly unstoppable following a bye week, so maybe he knows something I don't.)

 

Screw Lou Holtz. USC didn't get up for UCLA? Please.

[chuckywang]

I know they're not going to get it, and probably rightfully so, but I think someone should at least mention Boise State. I mean, they didn't play anyone, but they are getting very little credit for finishing 12-0.

 

They played Oregon State and Hawai'i.

[ConstableRabbit]

I know they're not going to get it, and probably rightfully so, but I think someone should at least mention Boise State. I mean, they didn't play anyone, but they are getting very little credit for finishing 12-0.

 

They played Oregon State and Hawai'i.

 

Wow. I didn't even realize.

[OleMissCub]

Florida should play ohio st. Michigan, as good as they are, already lost to Ohio St. If they were to play Ohio St. again and beat them, well then, they'd be even and need to play a 3rd game to tell who was really the best. College Football isn't best 2 out of 3. Michigan had their chance and lost. I wanna see Big 10 vs. SEC.

[soccer10k]

I didn't want a rematch and have voiced that opinion since the OSU-UM game. But UM is more deserving than Florida. I just don't think Florida is that good of a team and they haven't done anything to prove to me that they could make a serious run at OSU.

[soccer10k]

So the BCS now looks like:

 

NC - OSU vs Michigan OR Florida

Rose - USC vs LSU OR Michigan

Sugar - Florida OR LSU vs Notre Dame

Orange - Wake Forest vs Louisville

Fiesta - Oklahoma vs Boise State

 

If Florida goes to the title game, LSU goes to the Sugar and Michigan to the Rose.

 

If Michigan goes, Florida slides to the Sugar and LSU plays in the Rose.

 

Pretty simple.

 

I really feel sorry for Louisville. Even if they kill Wake Forest it will be like when Utah beat Pitt a couple years ago and the excuse from small conference haters was Pitt sucked (which was true). Either way nobody gave Utah credit and I don't see Louisville getting any credit if they win this game.

[Brian]

I don't really follow college football but I saw the highlights of UCLA beating USC in the bar tonight and the first thing i thought of is how excited Raisin must be....... congrats Raisin, can't wait till one of my sports teams gives me reason to be overjoyed.

[TruffleShuffle]

I think the losses USC took indicate mediocrity - great teams don't lose those two games.

 

Mediocre teams don't go 10-2

 

Bosie State? Wisconsin? Anyway, this is a silly argument. If you think USC is a great team more power to you. We won't get to see Ohio State embarass them so you can keep believing it.

 

me·di·o·cre:

1. of only ordinary or moderate quality; neither good nor bad; barely adequate.

2. rather poor or inferior

 

 

USC is still one of the top 10 or 15 teams in the country. By your logic, this means that somewhere between 100 and 110 of the 119 teams in the country are either average or bad. That's pretty amazing.

[CuseCubFan69]

So the BCS now looks like:

 

NC - OSU vs Michigan OR Florida

Rose - USC vs LSU OR Michigan

Sugar - Florida OR LSU vs Notre Dame

Orange - Wake Forest vs Louisville

Fiesta - Oklahoma vs Boise State

 

If Florida goes to the title game, LSU goes to the Sugar and Michigan to the Rose.

 

If Michigan goes, Florida slides to the Sugar and LSU plays in the Rose.

 

Pretty simple.

 

I really feel sorry for Louisville. Even if they kill Wake Forest it will be like when Utah beat Pitt a couple years ago and the excuse from small conference haters was Pitt sucked (which was true). Either way nobody gave Utah credit and I don't see Louisville getting any credit if they win this game.

 

The system works against the Big East right now.

[TruffleShuffle]

"Lee Corso, Kirk Herbstreit, CaliforniaRaisin, now what?" - UCLA DE Bruce Davis after UCLA's 13-9 victory over USC.

 

 

fixed :D

[NewUserName]

So, I have a question.

 

Can anybody explain the Michigan helmet? I've wondered about that for years.

 

 

Either Felding Yost or Fitz Crisler made them. There QBs were having a hard time telling between Michigan players and opponents downfield so one of these coaches had the stripes painted on the helmets. I think the stripes are supposed to be like a Wolverines. I am pretty sure they are the first team in football history to have any decorations on helmets. I think they are pretty cool.

 

On another note I know a Lady at work who messed up a dye job in her hair and it looked like the Michigan helmet. She couldnt change it for a couple of weeks for some reason. It didnt look cool.

[RynoRules]

Bless you and your Bruins, Mr. Rasin.

 

Sincerely,

 

A Michigan Fan

[CuseCubFan69]

Bless you and your Bruins, Mr. Rasin.

 

Sincerely,

 

A Michigan Fan

 

I hope Michigan goes to the BCS Championship because that would cause the SEC to throw a huge fit and maybe force a playoff.

[Big Fergie J]

USC gagged......it appeared to me that they thought they would just roll over the Bruins. Give huge credit to UCLA for how they played. Emotion sometimes makes up for one's shortcomings.

 

My 2 cents worth: I agree w/ OMC's post above. Michigan had their chance vs. Ohio State. If UM won the rematch I don't understand how they could be National Champion when the record between OSU and Michigan would 1-1 on the season. Give Florida the chance.

[NewUserName]

I decided to look up the SEC non conference road schedule.

 

FSU (fla)

Memshis (Ten)

Loiuisville (ken)

Clemson (sc)

Michigan (van)

Duke (van)

Missouri (miss)

UAB (miss st)

 

So except for in state rivalry games the SEC doesnt create any non-conference challenges from their elite programs. The get by on some sort of belief that they are better with nothing to prove it except a record in mostly home feild advantage bowl games. I have to go know but I will look at the Big Ten and maybe the other conferences later. I am willing to bet that the SEC isnt any where near as tough as the other conferences though. Which goes to what some have been saying. The are an exclusive club that doesnt allow themselves to really be challenged.

[cubweiser03]

ESPN has a poll. Here are 3 of the questions with the results of 150,000

 

Who should play OSU?

Florida 52: Michigan 48

 

Whose offense would cause more problems for OSU?

Florida 40: Michigan 60

 

Whose defense would cause more problems for OSU?

Florida 43: Michigan 57

 

So Florida must have an unbelievable special teams for them to be a better team and play OSU in the minds of these people. This is a great example of who people think is the better team but side the 'no rematch' dribble.

[Mark Priors Calves]

get a playoff system and this would be so much better.

[Chocolate Milk]

Grats, Raisin.

[CubColtPacer]

I decided to look up the SEC non conference road schedule.

 

FSU (fla)

Memshis (Ten)

Loiuisville (ken)

Clemson (sc)

Michigan (van)

Duke (van)

Missouri (miss)

UAB (miss st)

 

So except for in state rivalry games the SEC doesnt create any non-conference challenges from their elite programs. The get by on some sort of belief that they are better with nothing to prove it except a record in mostly home feild advantage bowl games. I have to go know but I will look at the Big Ten and maybe the other conferences later. I am willing to bet that the SEC isnt any where near as tough as the other conferences though. Which goes to what some have been saying. The are an exclusive club that doesnt allow themselves to really be challenged.

 

While I would agree that the SEC does not have as tough of a non-conference schedule, you forgot some good opponents in there. Tennessee played California for example, Mississippi State played West Virginia, LSU played Arizona (an ok team), Georgia played Colorado (who is awful this year, but is still better than Duke who you listed) and so on.

 

The Pac 10 is really the only major conference this year that has really done a very good job of playing OOC opponents this year-everybody else has been close to the same strength. Look at one computer's strength of schedule non-conference for the 6 major conferences:

Pac 10: .530

ACC: .456

Big East: .427

Big 10: .415

SEC: .410

Big 12: .410

 

2nd is closer to 6th then it is to first, and the last 4 conferences are very, very close,

[BigSlick]

ESPN has a poll. Here are 3 of the questions with the results of 150,000

 

Who should play OSU?

Florida 52: Michigan 48

 

Whose offense would cause more problems for OSU?

Florida 40: Michigan 60

 

Whose defense would cause more problems for OSU?

Florida 43: Michigan 57

 

So Florida must have an unbelievable special teams for them to be a better team and play OSU in the minds of these people. This is a great example of who people think is the better team but side the 'no rematch' dribble.

 

I don't think its contradictory to believe that Michigan is the better team but doesn't deserve to play in the NC game.

[jjgman21]

 

What I said is WV is capable of beating Ohio St or Michigan. Defensively they tackle too high and get burned by doing so. But, they have a lot of speed offensively and that gives teams a lot of problems for matchups.

 

ah, so they would get to Mike Hart quickly before they bounce off of him.

 

that's it. I'm done.

 

 

you sir, are absurd.

 

I'm being realistic but you have the top 3 teams in the Big 10 as good as the NFL. I haven't seen or read a thing from you about an honest evaluation of the top 3 Big 10 teams other than they are the best or better than the Big East.

 

nonsense. I've stated my position on these three teams many times over these past few weeks, so you need not put words into my mouth.

 

what I have said is OSU is clearly the best team in the country and Michigan is exactly where they should be, right there with USC and now that USC lost they should be considered slightly ahead of them. that isn't just me. that is what all the official polls say, that is what all the computer polls say, that is what all the fan polls say. and maybe, just maybe that's what the imaginary good old boys say.

 

I have said many many many many many times on this board that my alma mater, University of Wisconsin, is over ranked and doesn't deserve to be where they are, although I love where they are because they are an example of how screwed up the poll system and BCS is.

 

I have never claimed they are better than Louisville, although I think they would beat Rutgers handily, have a rough time with WV because their D is more geared toward the pass, but still win because their size on the O-line would just dominate the skinny assed front seven of WV.

 

you keep trying to turn this into me defending the Big 10. it is not. it is about me trying to make you realize, as many others have attemped, that the Big East sucks and is a notch behind the power conferences. but you keep using these pathetic tactics in these arguments. debate this straight up for once instead of arguing like Ann freakin Coulter.

 

 

edit for this - one more comment on my alma mater, they played Michigan tougher than anyone other than the best team in the country and were outplaying Michigan until the zebras decided to give the game to Michigan about halfway through the second quarter. if you think ND is where they should be, and compare how ND and UW faired against UM, you might say UW is right where they belong.

[NewUserName]

I decided to look up the SEC non conference road schedule.

 

FSU (fla)

Memshis (Ten)

Loiuisville (ken)

Clemson (sc)

Michigan (van)

Duke (van)

Missouri (miss)

UAB (miss st)

 

So except for in state rivalry games the SEC doesnt create any non-conference challenges from their elite programs. The get by on some sort of belief that they are better with nothing to prove it except a record in mostly home feild advantage bowl games. I have to go know but I will look at the Big Ten and maybe the other conferences later. I am willing to bet that the SEC isnt any where near as tough as the other conferences though. Which goes to what some have been saying. The are an exclusive club that doesnt allow themselves to really be challenged.

 

While I would agree that the SEC does not have as tough of a non-conference schedule, you forgot some good opponents in there. Tennessee played California for example, Mississippi State played West Virginia, LSU played Arizona (an ok team), Georgia played Colorado (who is awful this year, but is still better than Duke who you listed) and so on.

 

The Pac 10 is really the only major conference this year that has really done a very good job of playing OOC opponents this year-everybody else has been close to the same strength. Look at one computer's strength of schedule non-conference for the 6 major conferences:

Pac 10: .530

ACC: .456

Big East: .427

Big 10: .415

SEC: .410

Big 12: .410

 

2nd is closer to 6th then it is to first, and the last 4 conferences are very, very close,

 

I only ranked the road games that they played. These were ALL the non-conference road games that the SEC played. With only Florida being an elite team that played a quality non-conference road game. Yes they did have some better home games. Still Tennessee was the only Elite SEC team to play a Top 25 non-conference game. I do know that some Elite Big Ten schools have offered home and home series with some Elite SEC schools and have been denied. I am just saying that the SEC is considered the best because of perception. They will have success in Bowl games because they are mostly quasi home games for them. I would just like to see some of these schools play some good teams on the road some. I am not saying everyteam everyyear but in a year like this you really dont have much to go on on how good the SEC is. As opposed to the Big Ten which had at least 5 non-conference road games against Top 25 teams. I didnt look it up yet I just thought of 5 off the top of my head. If an elite SEC school had played at Notre Dame or Texas or someone similar than we could at least get a feel for how good the conference really is.

[CubColtPacer]

I decided to look up the SEC non conference road schedule.

 

FSU (fla)

Memshis (Ten)

Loiuisville (ken)

Clemson (sc)

Michigan (van)

Duke (van)

Missouri (miss)

UAB (miss st)

 

So except for in state rivalry games the SEC doesnt create any non-conference challenges from their elite programs. The get by on some sort of belief that they are better with nothing to prove it except a record in mostly home feild advantage bowl games. I have to go know but I will look at the Big Ten and maybe the other conferences later. I am willing to bet that the SEC isnt any where near as tough as the other conferences though. Which goes to what some have been saying. The are an exclusive club that doesnt allow themselves to really be challenged.

 

While I would agree that the SEC does not have as tough of a non-conference schedule, you forgot some good opponents in there. Tennessee played California for example, Mississippi State played West Virginia, LSU played Arizona (an ok team), Georgia played Colorado (who is awful this year, but is still better than Duke who you listed) and so on.

 

The Pac 10 is really the only major conference this year that has really done a very good job of playing OOC opponents this year-everybody else has been close to the same strength. Look at one computer's strength of schedule non-conference for the 6 major conferences:

Pac 10: .530

ACC: .456

Big East: .427

Big 10: .415

SEC: .410

Big 12: .410

 

2nd is closer to 6th then it is to first, and the last 4 conferences are very, very close,

 

I only ranked the road games that they played. These were ALL the non-conference road games that the SEC played. With only Florida being an elite team that played a quality non-conference road game. Yes they did have some better home games. Still Tennessee was the only Elite SEC team to play a Top 25 non-conference game. I do know that some Elite Big Ten schools have offered home and home series with some Elite SEC schools and have been denied. I am just saying that the SEC is considered the best because of perception. They will have success in Bowl games because they are mostly quasi home games for them. I would just like to see some of these schools play some good teams on the road some. I am not saying everyteam everyyear but in a year like this you really dont have much to go on on how good the SEC is. As opposed to the Big Ten which had at least 5 non-conference road games against Top 25 teams. I didnt look it up yet I just thought of 5 off the top of my head. If an elite SEC school had played at Notre Dame or Texas or someone similar than we could at least get a feel for how good the conference really is.

 

I would agree with that completely, I mean completely. I will tell you though, there are plenty of SEC people (I hear it from Georgia a great deal) that say the exact opposite and say that they have tried to get a home and home with teams like Ohio State and Michigan and have been refused, along with teams like Oklahoma. It's hard to figure out who to believe sometimes, but it is certainly true that the SEC does not like to go to other stadiums very often, and that makes the strength of the teams in their conference hard to evaluate at times.

[cubweiser03]

I decided to look up the SEC non conference road schedule.

 

FSU (fla)

Memshis (Ten)

Loiuisville (ken)

Clemson (sc)

Michigan (van)

Duke (van)

Missouri (miss)

UAB (miss st)

 

So except for in state rivalry games the SEC doesnt create any non-conference challenges from their elite programs. The get by on some sort of belief that they are better with nothing to prove it except a record in mostly home feild advantage bowl games. I have to go know but I will look at the Big Ten and maybe the other conferences later. I am willing to bet that the SEC isnt any where near as tough as the other conferences though. Which goes to what some have been saying. The are an exclusive club that doesnt allow themselves to really be challenged.

 

While I would agree that the SEC does not have as tough of a non-conference schedule, you forgot some good opponents in there. Tennessee played California for example, Mississippi State played West Virginia, LSU played Arizona (an ok team), Georgia played Colorado (who is awful this year, but is still better than Duke who you listed) and so on.

 

The Pac 10 is really the only major conference this year that has really done a very good job of playing OOC opponents this year-everybody else has been close to the same strength. Look at one computer's strength of schedule non-conference for the 6 major conferences:

Pac 10: .530

ACC: .456

Big East: .427

Big 10: .415

SEC: .410

Big 12: .410

 

2nd is closer to 6th then it is to first, and the last 4 conferences are very, very close,

 

I only ranked the road games that they played. These were ALL the non-conference road games that the SEC played. With only Florida being an elite team that played a quality non-conference road game. Yes they did have some better home games. Still Tennessee was the only Elite SEC team to play a Top 25 non-conference game. I do know that some Elite Big Ten schools have offered home and home series with some Elite SEC schools and have been denied. I am just saying that the SEC is considered the best because of perception. They will have success in Bowl games because they are mostly quasi home games for them. I would just like to see some of these schools play some good teams on the road some. I am not saying everyteam everyyear but in a year like this you really dont have much to go on on how good the SEC is. As opposed to the Big Ten which had at least 5 non-conference road games against Top 25 teams. I didnt look it up yet I just thought of 5 off the top of my head. If an elite SEC school had played at Notre Dame or Texas or someone similar than we could at least get a feel for how good the conference really is.

 

Well Florida did schedule FSU. FSU was supposed to be pretty elite but ending up sucking pretty bad. And that game was awful and Florida didnt look to good and barely won.

[E.J.]

Latest Coaches Poll has Florida jumping into the 2nd spot in the polls over Michigan. :x