College Football - Championship Week

[CuseCubFan69]

For as great as the SEC is what is there best non-conference victory this season? Cal I really think part of the SEC's mystique is just that "mystique" They rarely play good non-conference road games. Most of the bowls they play are quasi-home games. I would love to see Florida play Michigan in Chicago on New Years day or LSU vs Penn St in Cleveland.

 

Truth is Florida is going to pass Michigan. I am not saying its right but it is obvious that a majority of College Football pollsters do not want Michigan in the Title game. Sadly OSU is going to thump them by 3 TDs. Louisville would give OSU a better game.

 

Louisville would give them a better game? Louisville has a pathetic defense. It'd probably be a similar game, at least in point differential, the over/under would be about 30 points higher.

 

As a Buckeye fan, I really really really really don't want to see a rematch, because its always hard to beat the same team twice in a year. That, and, its kinda lame that we have to beat them twice in order to win the National Championship. While Michigan would only have to beat OSU once. Why should one game count more than the other one?

 

As a football fan, I recognize that Michigan is almost certainly the second best team in the nation, and probably deserves a shot in the NC game.

 

The simple and most obvious solution would be a playoff structure. The real loss in terms of adding a playoff structure is a loss of that "special" feeling from the regular season. And its not made up, the regular season in College football is incredibly more important than in any other sport. Unfortunately, year in and year out, the postseason continues to cause controversy.

 

If you are going to award a national championship, you must institute a playoff structure. If you just want to have conference champions and bowl games, thats fine. But you can't legitimately declare a team better than another when they don't get a chance to play it out. BCS be damned.

 

The BCS is not helping determine who the best 2 teams are. Louisvilles defense is decent and not as bad as you say it is. Also, when Ohio State opened up their offense they put up a lot of points on Michigan. Many, even the experts, think Louisville has a better offense than Ohio State. Michigan is good but I'm not so sure they are the second best team.

 

I hope Louisville wins there BCS game if they get in. I really hope they play Florida or LSU. Somehow I think Florida is going to the Championship game to get whooped and LSU is going to get ND in the Sugar so Louisville would probably get Wake Forest. Which is sad because Louisville wont get any respect for that game at all. I dont think they have a better offense than OSU though.

 

That's one of things that bugs me. The Big East teams that play in the bowls won't get to play the Big 10's or SEC's so once again they'll be in a lose/lose situation.

[jjgman21]

 

That's one of things that bugs me. The Big East teams that play in the bowls won't get to play the Big 10's or SEC's so once again they'll be in a lose/lose situation.

 

if history is any judge, they'll just be in a lose situation no matter who they play.

[Soul]

I hope Louisville wins there BCS game if they get in. I really hope they play Florida or LSU. Somehow I think Florida is going to the Championship game to get whooped and LSU is going to get ND in the Sugar so Louisville would probably get Wake Forest. Which is sad because Louisville wont get any respect for that game at all. I dont think they have a better offense than OSU though.

 

They have a couple skill players who are very, very good. But a larger, more physical opponent like OSU would just smother them. OSU also has plenty of speed---they are an atypical Big Ten team.

 

I'd love to see Louisville match up with OSU. OSU would romp. No way should Louisville sniff the big game until they prove themselves in the regular season though. Wilting like a dead rose in the 2nd half to Rutgers pretty much proves how "tough" they are.

[CuseCubFan69]

 

MSU whooped Pitt at Pitt. Iowa beat Syracuse with their 3rd string QB. I dont remember any other Marginal Big East team playing a Marginal Big Ten team. I remember Indiana and Illinois losing but they arent marginal they suck.

 

that's because

 

a. there are no marginal teams in the Big East. there is one really good team, two good teams, and crap.

 

and

 

b. he just made up this point. there were few games between the two conferences, and their result says nothing about the two conferences.

 

 

pick your winners Cubs

 

OSU-Louisville

UM-WVU/Rutgers

UW-Rutgers/WVU

South Florida-Penn State

 

I'll even cut out the middle ground

 

Cincy-Iowa

Pitt-Northwestern

UConn-MSU

Syracuse-Illinois

 

pick your winners.

 

cut out two bowl eligible team and an 'up-and-coming getting better faster than anyone expected' Indiana team from the middle of the Big Ten, and the Big Ten still wins 6-7 of those games, five under a worst case scenerio.

 

I'll take that bet. You're looking at the names and not the teams. Hopefully we'll see some games between these teams in the future so they can show the results on the field and not on perception.

[CuseCubFan69]

 

That's one of things that bugs me. The Big East teams that play in the bowls won't get to play the Big 10's or SEC's so once again they'll be in a lose/lose situation.

 

if history is any judge, they'll just be in a lose situation no matter who they play.

 

You're history or real history? Out of the last 4 years the Big East has had one of the top records in bowls but once again we don't want facts to get in the way.

[Derwood]

I'm a little late to the party here, but I'll say that Florida deserves the NC shot over Michigan simply because they are champs of their conference.

 

What I don't buy is the "If Michigan plays and wins, then they are 1-1 against OSU" bullcrap. So, if the Bears faced the Patriots in the Super Bowl this year, it wouldn't count somehow because New England beat them earlier in the year?

[jjgman21]

does a QB from a Big Ten team make a three yard dump off to a back when you need five for the first down and no defender is anywhere near you when playing in OT in the last game of the year for a share of the conference championship?

 

I think not. perhaps that play right encapsulates why this conference is pathetic.

[jjgman21]

 

That's one of things that bugs me. The Big East teams that play in the bowls won't get to play the Big 10's or SEC's so once again they'll be in a lose/lose situation.

 

if history is any judge, they'll just be in a lose situation no matter who they play.

 

You're history or real history? Out of the last 4 years the Big East has had one of the top records in bowls but once again we don't want facts to get in the way.

 

those wins in the Brillo pad bowl against Big Tree State are really standing up, now aren't they.

 

what's Louisville's recent bowl history again?

[CuseCubFan69]

I'm a little late to the party here, but I'll say that Florida deserves the NC shot over Michigan simply because they are champs of their conference.

 

What I don't buy is the "If Michigan plays and wins, then they are 1-1 against OSU" bullcrap. So, if the Bears faced the Patriots in the Super Bowl this year, it wouldn't count somehow because New England beat them earlier in the year?

 

The difference is that the NFL has a more balanced schedule and each team plays each other twice in their division. Ohio State didn't even play Wisconsin.

[CuseCubFan69]

 

That's one of things that bugs me. The Big East teams that play in the bowls won't get to play the Big 10's or SEC's so once again they'll be in a lose/lose situation.

 

if history is any judge, they'll just be in a lose situation no matter who they play.

 

You're history or real history? Out of the last 4 years the Big East has had one of the top records in bowls but once again we don't want facts to get in the way.

 

those wins in the Brillo pad bowl against Big Tree State are really standing up, now aren't they.

 

what's Louisville's recent bowl history again?

 

How did Georgia do against WV last year, I forgot?

[Derwood]

I'm a little late to the party here, but I'll say that Florida deserves the NC shot over Michigan simply because they are champs of their conference.

 

What I don't buy is the "If Michigan plays and wins, then they are 1-1 against OSU" bullcrap. So, if the Bears faced the Patriots in the Super Bowl this year, it wouldn't count somehow because New England beat them earlier in the year?

 

The difference is that the NFL has a more balanced schedule and each team plays each other twice in their division. Ohio State didn't even play Wisconsin.

 

so what? The point is that a bowl rematch isn't unprecedented (though rare) and doesn't take anything away from that potential NC mathcup if the BCS system has deemed them the best 2 teams in the country.

[jjgman21]

 

MSU whooped Pitt at Pitt. Iowa beat Syracuse with their 3rd string QB. I dont remember any other Marginal Big East team playing a Marginal Big Ten team. I remember Indiana and Illinois losing but they arent marginal they suck.

 

that's because

 

a. there are no marginal teams in the Big East. there is one really good team, two good teams, and crap.

 

and

 

b. he just made up this point. there were few games between the two conferences, and their result says nothing about the two conferences.

 

 

pick your winners Cubs

 

OSU-Louisville

UM-WVU/Rutgers

UW-Rutgers/WVU

South Florida-Penn State

 

I'll even cut out the middle ground

 

Cincy-Iowa

Pitt-Northwestern

UConn-MSU

Syracuse-Illinois

 

pick your winners.

 

cut out two bowl eligible team and an 'up-and-coming getting better faster than anyone expected' Indiana team from the middle of the Big Ten, and the Big Ten still wins 6-7 of those games, five under a worst case scenerio.

 

I'll take that bet. You're looking at the names and not the teams. Hopefully we'll see some games between these teams in the future so they can show the results on the field and not on perception.

 

riddle me this. how have you had time to observe so much Big Ten football when you have been watching so much Big East football?

 

don't be bashful now. pick your winners and show the whole board how absurd your Big East hypothesis is.

[CuseCubFan69]

I'm a little late to the party here, but I'll say that Florida deserves the NC shot over Michigan simply because they are champs of their conference.

 

What I don't buy is the "If Michigan plays and wins, then they are 1-1 against OSU" bullcrap. So, if the Bears faced the Patriots in the Super Bowl this year, it wouldn't count somehow because New England beat them earlier in the year?

 

The difference is that the NFL has a more balanced schedule and each team plays each other twice in their division. Ohio State didn't even play Wisconsin.

 

so what? The point is that a bowl rematch isn't unprecedented (though rare) and doesn't take anything away from that potential NC mathcup if the BCS system has deemed them the best 2 teams in the country.

 

Let me add this then. They have a playoff to get there to prove they are the best not a bunch of good old boys picking who goes. What if the NFL said after the season was done, well I think Indy and Dallas have the best teams so they go to the Super Bowl. The Bears played in a crappy division so they don't deserve to go over the Cowboys who played in a tougher conference.

[CuseCubFan69]

 

MSU whooped Pitt at Pitt. Iowa beat Syracuse with their 3rd string QB. I dont remember any other Marginal Big East team playing a Marginal Big Ten team. I remember Indiana and Illinois losing but they arent marginal they suck.

 

that's because

 

a. there are no marginal teams in the Big East. there is one really good team, two good teams, and crap.

 

and

 

b. he just made up this point. there were few games between the two conferences, and their result says nothing about the two conferences.

 

 

pick your winners Cubs

 

OSU-Louisville

UM-WVU/Rutgers

UW-Rutgers/WVU

South Florida-Penn State

 

I'll even cut out the middle ground

 

Cincy-Iowa

Pitt-Northwestern

UConn-MSU

Syracuse-Illinois

 

pick your winners.

 

cut out two bowl eligible team and an 'up-and-coming getting better faster than anyone expected' Indiana team from the middle of the Big Ten, and the Big Ten still wins 6-7 of those games, five under a worst case scenerio.

 

I'll take that bet. You're looking at the names and not the teams. Hopefully we'll see some games between these teams in the future so they can show the results on the field and not on perception.

 

riddle me this. how have you had time to observe so much Big Ten football when you have been watching so much Big East football?

 

don't be bashful now. pick your winners and show the whole board how absurd your Big East hypothesis is.

 

Because we get all the Big 10 games on ABC rammed down our throats.

[jjgman21]

 

those wins in the Brillo pad bowl against Big Tree State are really standing up, now aren't they.

 

what's Louisville's recent bowl history again?

 

How did Georgia do against WV last year, I forgot?

 

they edged them by 3. damn, you're righ Cuse. I take it all back, the Big East is awesome.

 

if only Georgia wasn't the third or fourth best team in the SEC last year that happened to get into a BCS bowl, you might have a point.

 

how'd WVU do the year before? oh, they got crushed. and the year before? oh, they got crushed. and the year before? oh, didn't make a bowl game. and the year before? oh, didn't make a bowl game. and the year before? hey, a big win against Ole Miss. the year before? oh, didn't make a bowl game.

 

nice feather in your cap with that Georgia win, but I have too much time on my hand for your selective facts to have much impact in this debate.

Edited December 3, 2006 by jjgman21

[soccer10k]

a. there are no marginal teams in the Big East. there is one really good team, two good teams, and crap.

 

It's funny. I could change the word "East" to "Ten" and the statement would still be true.

[CuseCubFan69]

 

those wins in the Brillo pad bowl against Big Tree State are really standing up, now aren't they.

 

what's Louisville's recent bowl history again?

 

How did Georgia do against WV last year, I forgot?

 

they edged them by 3. damn, you're righ Cuse. I take it all back, the Big East is awesome.

 

if only Georgia wasn't the third or fourth best team in the SEC last year that happened to get into a BCS bowl, you might have a point.

 

how'd WVU do the year before? oh, they got crushed. and the year before? oh, they got crushed. and the year before? oh, didn't make a bowl game. and the year before? oh, didn't make a bowl game. and the year before? hey, a big win against Ole Miss. the year before? oh, didn't make a bowl game.

 

nice feather in your cap with that Georgia win, buy I have too much time on my hand for your selective facts to have much impact in this debate.

 

We'll see this year in the bowls my friend.

Edited December 3, 2006 by CuseCubFan69

[jjgman21]

 

Because we get all the Big 10 games on ABC rammed down our throats.

 

then how are you watching the Big East?

[Soul]

Man Cuse. You are getting close to tin foil hat territory.

 

Big East just needs to start scheduling the games. That's all. There's no conspiracy.

 

When Bobby Bowden wanted FSU to get respect, what did he do? He started scheduling tougher games. Fresno State also has done the same, and has gained more national recognition.

 

It's not the Big East's fault they don't have the history on their side. But they still need to work their way up.

[soccer10k]

 

Because we get all the Big 10 games on ABC rammed down our throats.

 

then how are you watching the Big East?

 

You realize that you can watch more than one game per day right?

 

EDITED because I was thinking one thing and wrote another.

Edited December 3, 2006 by soccer10k

[CuseCubFan69]

Man Cuse. You are getting close to tin foil hat territory.

 

Big East just needs to start scheduling the games. That's all. There's no conspiracy.

 

When Bobby Bowden wanted FSU to get respect, what did he do? He started scheduling tougher games. Fresno State also has done the same, and has gained more national recognition.

 

It's not the Big East's fault they don't have the history on their side. But they still need to work their way up.

 

I guess I'm confused on how you think Miami and Kansas St are horrible teams? They have amoung the top 15 records over the last 15 years.

[Jon]

No BCS for Rutgers.

[CDBears1259]

Wow, I thought Arkansas' QB looked bad!!! Neb. should be all over OU with opportunities they've had.

[jjgman21]

a. there are no marginal teams in the Big East. there is one really good team, two good teams, and crap.

 

It's funny. I could change the word "East" to "Ten" and the statement would still be true.

 

great. now you too. mmmk.

 

no it would not. name me the Big East equivalents of Minnesota, Indiana, and Iowa. you cannot.

 

 

 

 

why do you guys keep this up? it's really the silliest sustained argument in favor of an untennable position I can remember in all my time on this board.

[jjgman21]

Man Cuse. You are getting close to tin foil hat territory.

 

Big East just needs to start scheduling the games. That's all. There's no conspiracy.

 

When Bobby Bowden wanted FSU to get respect, what did he do? He started scheduling tougher games. Fresno State also has done the same, and has gained more national recognition.

 

It's not the Big East's fault they don't have the history on their side. But they still need to work their way up.

 

I guess I'm confused on how you think Miami and Kansas St are horrible teams? They have amoung the top 15 records over the last 15 years.

 

I just told you that I am not going to let you get away with selective facts.

 

KState

 

05 5-6

04 4-7

03 11-4

02 11-2

 

and in which of those years was KState scheduled?

 

 

edit - your framing is also a bunch of BS. Soul's larger point is all the teams need to schedule tougher opponents to get respect. the entire conference needs to schedule tougher opponents to get respect. you are trying to make it seem like the entire conference should be respected because of wins over a down and out Miami team and a crappy KState and Kentucky team.

 

 

btw, you just made a bold statement about the matchups. c'mon. pick the winners. show us just how insane you are when it comes to this subject.

Edited December 3, 2006 by jjgman21