College Football - Week of 11/25

[Andy]

I think if ND beats USC, Mich plays for the title. Mich will pick up USC's #2 votes then, as someone astutely pointed out in another thread.

[cubweiser03]

We partied our asses off yesterday for the UM/OSU game. We drank 85+ beers. I dont think we will even come close to that this week. Some good games on the docket though.

 

Does defense in CFB matter anymore? I mean look at OSU and UM defenses, they are very very good and both got lit up like a christmas tree yesterday. Same thing with USC/Texas last year. The QB in college football is even more important than it is in the NFL.

[Derwood]

Michigan staying #2 in the BCS AND the AP is very, very interesting.

[NewUserName]

Michigan staying #2 in the BCS AND the AP is very, very interesting.

 

 

If USC wins out they will pass them. It does appear to be down to those 2 teams against OSU in the championship game though, unless someone else can win very impressively and maybe pass Michigan up in the polls if USC losses. Like I said in my previous post, I think this system still has the potential to leave several unanswered questions.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Kansas at Missouri (12 pm, ABC)

 

Oh snap.

 

It'll come down to who plays better--KU's awful pass defense or Mizzou's awful run defense.

 

If Cornish (Big XII leading rusher) romps for 160+ and controls the game, we'll win.

 

If Chase is throwing bombs all over the field, Mizzou wins.

 

We're hot right now. Should be a good game. Hopefully Mangino owns Pinkel as much as I think he does.

 

He will. We've fallen apart now, just like we do at the end of every year. Hello Independence Bowl again.

[SouthSideRyan]

I just want to once again state that the only way Arkansas deserves to jump ND and USC is if USC beats ND then UCLA beats USC.

 

So Arkansas will not deserve to jump both teams.

[MembersOnlyJacket]

Michigan staying #2 in the BCS AND the AP is very, very interesting.

 

I would have voted it that way. I don't think any team in college football would have been within two TD's of Ohio State yesterday. The only thing that could change this is for USC to blow out Notre Dame.

[Derwood]

this, of course is where the system fails. Michigan is done playing, but USC and some of the SEC teams have 2 more games to play. The timing is unfortunate for Michigan.

 

As Doug Flutie stated in the post-game show Saturday, "if this game (OSU vs. UM) was in Week One, would we even be discussing this?" In other words, Michigan is more likely to be screwed out of the NC game by losing late than they would have by losing early. Likewise, USC will get more of a boost by beating a #5 ND team late than Michigan did early.

 

If it comes down to USC and Michigan, I look at Michigan's 1 loss being to the #1 team in the country, while USC's to an unranked team. Voters probably won't see it that way.

[CuseCubFan69]

this, of course is where the system fails. Michigan is done playing, but USC and some of the SEC teams have 2 more games to play. The timing is unfortunate for Michigan.

 

As Doug Flutie stated in the post-game show Saturday, "if this game (OSU vs. UM) was in Week One, would we even be discussing this?" In other words, Michigan is more likely to be screwed out of the NC game by losing late than they would have by losing early. Likewise, USC will get more of a boost by beating a #5 ND team late than Michigan did early.

 

If it comes down to USC and Michigan, I look at Michigan's 1 loss being to the #1 team in the country, while USC's to an unranked team. Voters probably won't see it that way.

 

I don't understand how Michigan is screwed since they are still #2. In Most cases the #2 teams drops a couple after a loss but they didn't.

 

I like Michigan but they had their shot at OSU.

[Derwood]

this, of course is where the system fails. Michigan is done playing, but USC and some of the SEC teams have 2 more games to play. The timing is unfortunate for Michigan.

 

As Doug Flutie stated in the post-game show Saturday, "if this game (OSU vs. UM) was in Week One, would we even be discussing this?" In other words, Michigan is more likely to be screwed out of the NC game by losing late than they would have by losing early. Likewise, USC will get more of a boost by beating a #5 ND team late than Michigan did early.

 

If it comes down to USC and Michigan, I look at Michigan's 1 loss being to the #1 team in the country, while USC's to an unranked team. Voters probably won't see it that way.

 

I don't understand how Michigan is screwed since they are still #2. In Most cases the #2 teams drops a couple after a loss but they didn't.

 

I like Michigan but they had their shot at OSU.

 

screwed because if the schedules matched up, they would play OSU AFTER USC played ND

[CuseCubFan69]

this, of course is where the system fails. Michigan is done playing, but USC and some of the SEC teams have 2 more games to play. The timing is unfortunate for Michigan.

 

As Doug Flutie stated in the post-game show Saturday, "if this game (OSU vs. UM) was in Week One, would we even be discussing this?" In other words, Michigan is more likely to be screwed out of the NC game by losing late than they would have by losing early. Likewise, USC will get more of a boost by beating a #5 ND team late than Michigan did early.

 

If it comes down to USC and Michigan, I look at Michigan's 1 loss being to the #1 team in the country, while USC's to an unranked team. Voters probably won't see it that way.

 

I don't understand how Michigan is screwed since they are still #2. In Most cases the #2 teams drops a couple after a loss but they didn't.

 

I like Michigan but they had their shot at OSU.

 

screwed because if the schedules matched up, they would play OSU AFTER USC played ND

 

Well they should have beat OSU then. Once you lose this whole system goes stupid.

[Derwood]

this, of course is where the system fails. Michigan is done playing, but USC and some of the SEC teams have 2 more games to play. The timing is unfortunate for Michigan.

 

As Doug Flutie stated in the post-game show Saturday, "if this game (OSU vs. UM) was in Week One, would we even be discussing this?" In other words, Michigan is more likely to be screwed out of the NC game by losing late than they would have by losing early. Likewise, USC will get more of a boost by beating a #5 ND team late than Michigan did early.

 

If it comes down to USC and Michigan, I look at Michigan's 1 loss being to the #1 team in the country, while USC's to an unranked team. Voters probably won't see it that way.

 

I don't understand how Michigan is screwed since they are still #2. In Most cases the #2 teams drops a couple after a loss but they didn't.

 

I like Michigan but they had their shot at OSU.

 

screwed because if the schedules matched up, they would play OSU AFTER USC played ND

 

Well they should have beat OSU then. Once you lose this whole system goes stupid.

 

i'm just saying that the unaligned schedules work against the teams that finish earlier. In other words, if USC and UM's scheduled lined up, USC could have defeated ND, but if UM lost a close game to OSU in the last week, they may have still finished #2 (like they are right now). But now USC gets 2 more games to leapfrog an idle Michigan team, etc., etc.

[cubweiser03]

Ok, so does anyone like remember when the computers had Rutgers at #2 and OSU at #3 before the OSU/UM game and before Rutgers/Cincy game? Looks pretty silly now doesn't it. I just had to fire that one off. Other than that abnormality the computers have been pretty solid this year.

 

I think Michigan is the 2nd best team in the country, but that doesnt mean they should automatically make the NCG. If USC wins out i have no problem with them playing OSU for the title. The other teams im not so sure about being more deserving yet. The intention of the BCS is to have the 2 best teams play for a NCG, it should be irrelevant if that game is a rematch.

[Derwood]

If USC wins out i have no problem with them playing OSU for the title. The other teams im not so sure about being more deserving yet. The intention of the BCS is to have the 2 best teams play for a NCG, it should be irrelevant if that game is a rematch.

 

I disagree. I think if Arkansas runs the table in the SEC (or Florida wins the SEC title) they should go in over USC. Yes, Arkansas lost to USC, I know, but the SEC is a better conference that the Pac-10 and USC lost to an unranked team.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

If USC wins out i have no problem with them playing OSU for the title. The other teams im not so sure about being more deserving yet. The intention of the BCS is to have the 2 best teams play for a NCG, it should be irrelevant if that game is a rematch.

 

I disagree. I think if Arkansas runs the table in the SEC (or Florida wins the SEC title) they should go in over USC. Yes, Arkansas lost to USC, I know, but the SEC is a better conference that the Pac-10 and USC lost to an unranked team.

 

I don't think the difference is near enough to make up for the fact that USC went to Arkansas and kicked the crap out of them. Same thing for ND/Michigan.

[Andy]

If USC wins out i have no problem with them playing OSU for the title. The other teams im not so sure about being more deserving yet. The intention of the BCS is to have the 2 best teams play for a NCG, it should be irrelevant if that game is a rematch.

 

I disagree. I think if Arkansas runs the table in the SEC (or Florida wins the SEC title) they should go in over USC. Yes, Arkansas lost to USC, I know, but the SEC is a better conference that the Pac-10 and USC lost to an unranked team.

 

I don't think the difference is near enough to make up for the fact that USC went to Arkansas and kicked the crap out of them. Same thing for ND/Michigan.

Exactly. If this same argument was being made for ND/Michigan (assuming Michigan had hypothetically lost to an unranked team of course) people would be blowing their stacks in defense of the Wolverines.

 

If USC wins out, they should go. If Florida wins out, I'd say they should go. If Arkansas win out and USC doesn't, they should go. If none of those happen then UM can play the rematch.

[Warpticon]

If USC wins out i have no problem with them playing OSU for the title. The other teams im not so sure about being more deserving yet. The intention of the BCS is to have the 2 best teams play for a NCG, it should be irrelevant if that game is a rematch.

 

I disagree. I think if Arkansas runs the table in the SEC (or Florida wins the SEC title) they should go in over USC. Yes, Arkansas lost to USC, I know, but the SEC is a better conference that the Pac-10 and USC lost to an unranked team.

 

I don't think the difference is near enough to make up for the fact that USC went to Arkansas and kicked the crap out of them. Same thing for ND/Michigan.

 

Exactly. If this same argument was being made for ND/Michigan (assuming Michigan had hypothetically lost to an unranked team of course) people would be blowing their stacks in defense of the Wolverines.

 

If USC wins out, they should go. If Florida wins out, I'd say they should go. If Arkansas win out and USC doesn't, they should go. If none of those happen then UM can play the rematch.

 

I could get behind that, but what if Florida and USC win out?

[Chocolate Milk]

I don't think the UM should still be #2. Sure the game ended up being close, but OSU fumbled 2 snaps on their side of the field, and Michigan got that garbage touchdown late. I think UM was signifigantly outplayed by OSU.

[Andy]

If USC wins out i have no problem with them playing OSU for the title. The other teams im not so sure about being more deserving yet. The intention of the BCS is to have the 2 best teams play for a NCG, it should be irrelevant if that game is a rematch.

 

I disagree. I think if Arkansas runs the table in the SEC (or Florida wins the SEC title) they should go in over USC. Yes, Arkansas lost to USC, I know, but the SEC is a better conference that the Pac-10 and USC lost to an unranked team.

 

I don't think the difference is near enough to make up for the fact that USC went to Arkansas and kicked the crap out of them. Same thing for ND/Michigan.

 

Exactly. If this same argument was being made for ND/Michigan (assuming Michigan had hypothetically lost to an unranked team of course) people would be blowing their stacks in defense of the Wolverines.

 

If USC wins out, they should go. If Florida wins out, I'd say they should go. If Arkansas win out and USC doesn't, they should go. If none of those happen then UM can play the rematch.

 

I could get behind that, but what if Florida and USC win out?

USC would go IMO. Both teams would've beaten Arkansas, but USC also would have beaten ND and Cal, which easily trumps Florida's next most impressive wins over Tennessee and LSU IMO.

[CubinNY]

I want chaos.

 

USC beats ND and looses to UCLA

Florida looses in the SEC title game

Arkansas looses to LSU this week.

 

However, no one will touch OSU this year. I've been saying it for a while now. I don't think I've seen a more complete team in a long time. That includes the first USC championship with Palmer.

[BigSlick]

I don't think the UM should still be #2. Sure the game ended up being close, but OSU fumbled 2 snaps on their side of the field, and Michigan got that garbage touchdown late. I think UM was signifigantly outplayed by OSU.

 

agreed by nearly anyone who watched the game objectively.

[soccer10k]

If USC wins out i have no problem with them playing OSU for the title. The other teams im not so sure about being more deserving yet. The intention of the BCS is to have the 2 best teams play for a NCG, it should be irrelevant if that game is a rematch.

 

I disagree. I think if Arkansas runs the table in the SEC (or Florida wins the SEC title) they should go in over USC. Yes, Arkansas lost to USC, I know, but the SEC is a better conference that the Pac-10 and USC lost to an unranked team.

 

I don't think the difference is near enough to make up for the fact that USC went to Arkansas and kicked the crap out of them. Same thing for ND/Michigan.

Exactly. If this same argument was being made for ND/Michigan (assuming Michigan had hypothetically lost to an unranked team of course) people would be blowing their stacks in defense of the Wolverines.

 

If USC wins out, they should go. If Florida wins out, I'd say they should go. If Arkansas win out and USC doesn't, they should go. If none of those happen then UM can play the rematch.

 

Agreed without question.

[soccer10k]

I want chaos.

 

USC beats ND and looses to UCLA

Florida looses in the SEC title game

Arkansas looses to LSU this week.

 

However, no one will touch OSU this year. I've been saying it for a while now. I don't think I've seen a more complete team in a long time. That includes the first USC championship with Palmer.

 

USC didn't win a national championship with Palmer. They went to a BCS bowl but lost 2 games that year.

 

I think USC from each of the past two years were better, especially the 2004 version because the defense was better. Go ahead and make the argument that 2005 USC didn't even win the title but they were beat by one of the most dominant college players ever. 2005 Texas would give OSU a very good game as well. I would definitely say 2002 Miami was better as well.

[cubweiser03]

I don't think the UM should still be #2. Sure the game ended up being close, but OSU fumbled 2 snaps on their side of the field, and Michigan got that garbage touchdown late. I think UM was signifigantly outplayed by OSU.

 

agreed by nearly anyone who watched the game objectively.

 

So anybody who doesnt agree isnt being objective? Interesting, good to know. Its ok to have different perceptions on said game. I dont think it was a garbage TD. Even after not recovering the onside kick there was 2.30 minutes left. Plenty of time if they would of stopped them for a 3 and out, especially for college football. Down 21-7 after being up 7-0 id like to see how other football teams would of resonded to that pressure in Columbus on Saturday. And since when did mistakes not matter in CFB? One of said fumbles was on a 3rd and 1 and would of resulted in a punt. Still that recovery didnt result in points. The other fumble was because he tried to get out of the pocket to quickly because an edge rusher was up the field. Mistakes are part of football.

 

OSU had 3 really big plays and 2 huge runs on offense. Michigan had a more balanced offense in the game. Troy Smith was the better QB in the game and Henne had a great game, thats how good Troy was.

 

But since see i see it differently and not as 'objectively' as you i must be delusional no matter how constructive my thoughts are on this.

[Chocolate Milk]

I don't think the UM should still be #2. Sure the game ended up being close, but OSU fumbled 2 snaps on their side of the field, and Michigan got that garbage touchdown late. I think UM was signifigantly outplayed by OSU.

 

agreed by nearly anyone who watched the game objectively.

 

So anybody who doesnt agree isnt being objective? Interesting, good to know. Its ok to have different perceptions on said game. I dont think it was a garbage TD. Even after not recovering the onside kick there was 2.30 minutes left. Plenty of time if they would of stopped them for a 3 and out, especially for college football. Down 21-7 after being up 7-0 id like to see how other football teams would of resonded to that pressure in Columbus on Saturday. And since when did mistakes not matter in CFB? One of said fumbles was on a 3rd and 1 and would of resulted in a punt. Still that recovery didnt result in points. The other fumble was because he tried to get out of the pocket to quickly because an edge rusher was up the field. Mistakes are part of football.

 

OSU had 3 really big plays and 2 huge runs on offense. Michigan had a more balanced offense in the game. Troy Smith was the better QB in the game and Henne had a great game, thats how good Troy was.

 

But since see i see it differently and not as 'objectively' as you i must be delusional no matter how constructive my thoughts are on this.

 

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that Michigan didn't put up a fight but Ohio State played better than the score indicated.

 

While turnovers are part of the game, QB Center exchanges have nothing to do with the other team. Michigan didn't force them, they just happened.

 

Ohio State outgained Michigan 503-397 in the game with 81 of those Michigan yards coming in that last drive where Ohio State was in the prevent.

 

I just don't think Michigan played well enough to disserve another shot in the National title game. You, and a lot of other people disagree with me, though so who knows.