College Football - Week of 11/25

[CubinNY]

College basketball is also decided by judges-those judges just pick 65 teams to compete for the championship, while college football has 2.

 

That is not even close to the same situation. In basketball teams have automatic bids by winning their conference. But most importantly, THEY PLAY EACH GAME TO DECIDE WHO GETS TO ADVANCE IN THE TOURNAMENT TO GET TO THE FINAL GAME.

 

In college football there will never be a Chamenade or Vilanova or Richmond or on and on and on. [/i]

[soccer10k]

How about you play all your New Years Day games, have one final BCS ranking, and the top 2 teams play on the 8th for the NC?

 

I am not in favor of a playoff system but wouldn't mind a plus 1 set up like the one you suggested.

[Warpticon]

Question is...if ND beats USC, and the voters decide Michigan is still the 2nd best team, are there two bowl game rematches with USC and ND playing again?

It's very possible with the Rose Bowl getting the first at-large pick, especially if Arkansas loses the SEC title game, leaving them as an at-large team.

 

I think that if Arkansas wins the SEC title game, the Rose Bowl will select Florida rather than have a USC/ND rematch, though. Who knows what happens if Florida wins it, though, because Ark/SC would be a rematch as well - a rematch of a terrible game.

 

Somehow I doubt that a USC/Ark rematch would be as big of a blowout as it was the first time. I think it would be a much closer and much more entertaining game but I realize that isn't really saying much.

 

That being said, I would prefer to see two teams that haven't played each other yet this year.

 

Really? You don't expect a 36-24 time of possession advantage? You don't expect a 5-0 turnover ratio? You don't expect a sixth string wide receiver at quarterback? You wouldn't expect having a Heisman candidate not recovering from a dislocated toe to make no difference? Funny, I don't, either.

 

I think Mizzou should be allowed to replay their last two games once Brian Smith gets healthy in December.

 

Circumstances are what they are. If you try to argue away circumstances that caused a loss you'd never get anywhere in ranking teams.

 

That's an excellent job of answering a question that was never asked.

[soccer10k]

If they ever have a playoff, it better not be more than 4 teams. If there's ever a 2-loss or more college football champion because of getting hot at the right time I'll be irate.

 

It would be hard for me to see why you'd want to limit the number of teams competing for the NC. There are logistical problems and such but I would think from a financial standpoint the NCAA would want more than four.

 

I think eight or 10 would be a good number.

 

The top two teams from the major conferences would be a good start.

 

How do you pick the 8 or 10 teams then? The major conferences won't go for a straight top 8 or 10 in the BCS because what happens if a major conference champion finishes outside of the top 8 or 10? How do you deal with the smaller conferences if one of their teams goes undefeated (potentially 2006 Boise St., 2004 Utah)?

 

But on the other hand, if you take the six major conference champions, what happens when one of them has 3 or 4 losses on the year (2005 Florida State)? Do they really deserve it over a #6 Oregon team that finished 10-1? What happens if that team (in this case Florida State) gets hot and wins the title? Then you have a 4 loss team winning the national title.

[CubinNY]

If they ever have a playoff, it better not be more than 4 teams. If there's ever a 2-loss or more college football champion because of getting hot at the right time I'll be irate.

 

It would be hard for me to see why you'd want to limit the number of teams competing for the NC. There are logistical problems and such but I would think from a financial standpoint the NCAA would want more than four.

 

I think eight or 10 would be a good number.

 

The top two teams from the major conferences would be a good start.

 

How do you pick the 8 or 10 teams then? The major conferences won't go for a straight top 8 or 10 in the BCS because what happens if a major conference champion finishes outside of the top 8 or 10? How do you deal with the smaller conferences if one of their teams goes undefeated (potentially 2006 Boise St., 2004 Utah)?

 

But on the other hand, if you take the six major conference champions, what happens when one of them has 3 or 4 losses on the year (2005 Florida State)? Do they really deserve it over a #6 Oregon team that finished 10-1? What happens if that team (in this case Florida State) gets hot and wins the title? Then you have a 4 loss team winning the national title.

 

It certianly isn't perfect, but would be a giant leap from what is currently going on.

 

One of the things I'd do if I were king of the NCAA is limit scholarships to create more parity.

 

Then I'd limit the schedule to 10 games with no conference championships.

 

Then I'd create some sort of playoff system like they do in divisions I-AA, II, and III.

[soccer10k]

If they ever have a playoff, it better not be more than 4 teams. If there's ever a 2-loss or more college football champion because of getting hot at the right time I'll be irate.

 

It would be hard for me to see why you'd want to limit the number of teams competing for the NC. There are logistical problems and such but I would think from a financial standpoint the NCAA would want more than four.

 

I think eight or 10 would be a good number.

 

The top two teams from the major conferences would be a good start.

 

How do you pick the 8 or 10 teams then? The major conferences won't go for a straight top 8 or 10 in the BCS because what happens if a major conference champion finishes outside of the top 8 or 10? How do you deal with the smaller conferences if one of their teams goes undefeated (potentially 2006 Boise St., 2004 Utah)?

 

But on the other hand, if you take the six major conference champions, what happens when one of them has 3 or 4 losses on the year (2005 Florida State)? Do they really deserve it over a #6 Oregon team that finished 10-1? What happens if that team (in this case Florida State) gets hot and wins the title? Then you have a 4 loss team winning the national title.

 

It certianly isn't perfect, but would be a giant leap from what is currently going on.

 

One of the things I'd do if I were king of the NCAA is limit scholarships to create more parity.

 

Then I'd limit the schedule to 10 games with no conference championships.

 

Then I'd create some sort of playoff system like they do in divisions I-AA, II, and III.

 

What type of system though? It's all well and good to say you would put in a system but how would you go about picking the teams?

 

If the schedule is 10 games with no conference championships, how do you determine the winner of the Big 12, ACC, SEC if two teams go undefeated in conference or have the same # of losses but don't play each other?

[CubinNY]

If they ever have a playoff, it better not be more than 4 teams. If there's ever a 2-loss or more college football champion because of getting hot at the right time I'll be irate.

 

It would be hard for me to see why you'd want to limit the number of teams competing for the NC. There are logistical problems and such but I would think from a financial standpoint the NCAA would want more than four.

 

I think eight or 10 would be a good number.

 

The top two teams from the major conferences would be a good start.

 

How do you pick the 8 or 10 teams then? The major conferences won't go for a straight top 8 or 10 in the BCS because what happens if a major conference champion finishes outside of the top 8 or 10? How do you deal with the smaller conferences if one of their teams goes undefeated (potentially 2006 Boise St., 2004 Utah)?

 

But on the other hand, if you take the six major conference champions, what happens when one of them has 3 or 4 losses on the year (2005 Florida State)? Do they really deserve it over a #6 Oregon team that finished 10-1? What happens if that team (in this case Florida State) gets hot and wins the title? Then you have a 4 loss team winning the national title.

 

It certianly isn't perfect, but would be a giant leap from what is currently going on.

 

One of the things I'd do if I were king of the NCAA is limit scholarships to create more parity.

 

Then I'd limit the schedule to 10 games with no conference championships.

 

Then I'd create some sort of playoff system like they do in divisions I-AA, II, and III.

 

What type of system though? It's all well and good to say you would put in a system but how would you go about picking the teams?

 

If the schedule is 10 games with no conference championships, how do you determine the winner of the Big 12, ACC, SEC if two teams go undefeated in conference or have the same # of losses but don't play each other?

 

I haven't given it much though. One easy answer is to split the conferences up and let "lessor schools" join. Teams started joining those conferences so they could get in on the action. How else can one explain the behaivor of Miami and Boston College? Marshall left the MAC for C-USA to get more money after Louisville split. Teams are joining new conferences all the time.

 

There are a lot of people much brighter than me in higher education. I think if they put their heads together they can come up with a more equitable system for all the D 1 schools and still make a boat load of money for the likes of Notre Dame.

[Andy]

That's what happens it every sport-it may not be fair, but it's accepted for all the other sports-so why not in this situation?

 

BECAUSE THE BOWL GAMES ARE CHOSEN BY JUDGES, INCLUDING WHO GETS TO PLAY IN THE WHATEVER BOWL THAT DECIDES THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.

 

Every other sport this side of figure skating and boxing is decided on the field/diamond/track/ice/oval.

 

The national championship in college football is decided by sprotswriters. It is a joke.

 

Wisconson, West Virginia, Louisville, and Rutgers, only has one loss. Boise state has zero losses. None of these teams are even in the discussion.

 

If Michigan plays OSU again and wins both will have one loss. Some other team that didn't play OSU or Michigan could end the season with one loss. Boise State could end the season undefeated.

Actually the national title right now is decided by coaches (the poll). Which is probably even worse.

[Derwood]

make it all or nothing. Either expand every conference to 12 teams and have a conference championship, or no conference championships at all

[CubinNY]

make it all or nothing. Either expand every conference to 12 teams and have a conference championship, or no conference championships at all

 

That could be another possible solution.

 

Use the conference championships to decide who gets to move on. But I'd still limit the games to 10 + confernce championship.

 

Split the confernces up with six teams in each division. Make schools join a conference. Each conference gets an automatic bid.

 

How many conferences are there in D-I anyway?

[CubColtPacer]

make it all or nothing. Either expand every conference to 12 teams and have a conference championship, or no conference championships at all

 

That could be another possible solution.

 

Use the conference championships to decide who gets to move on. But I'd still limit the games to 10 + confernce championship.

 

Split the confernces up with six teams in each division. Make schools join a conference. Each conference gets an automatic bid.

 

How many conferences are there in D-I anyway?

 

There are 11 conferences. If you had 10 games plus a conference championship game, tiebreakers would be rampant. There woule be 2 or 3 way ties in just about every conference, and head to head would only handle some of those problems (many times a 3 way tie would result where each team beat each other).

[Derwood]

make it all or nothing. Either expand every conference to 12 teams and have a conference championship, or no conference championships at all

 

That could be another possible solution.

 

Use the conference championships to decide who gets to move on. But I'd still limit the games to 10 + confernce championship.

 

Split the confernces up with six teams in each division. Make schools join a conference. Each conference gets an automatic bid.

 

How many conferences are there in D-I anyway?

 

ACC (12 teams)

Big XII (12)

Big East (8)

Big Ten (11)

CUSA (12)

MAC (12)

Mountain West (9)

Pac-10 (10)

SEC (12)

Sunbelt (8)

WAC (9)

 

Plus 4 Independents (though Temple will be in the MAC next year)

[Andy]

Solution?

 

Louisville to the Big Ten. (12 teams) Add a conference title game.

 

Marshall from C-USA to the Big East. (8 teams) Add a conference title game. C-USA can choose whether to keep their title game or not.

 

Pac-10 has 10 teams already, so add a title game there.

 

That way, you have a conference title game for all the BCS conferences. In 2006, OSU/Mich would get a rematch and it doesn't have to come at the expense of a national title game.

[Derwood]

Solution?

 

Louisville to the Big Ten. (12 teams) Add a conference title game.

 

Marshall from C-USA to the Big East. (8 teams) Add a conference title game. C-USA can choose whether to keep their title game or not.

 

Pac-10 has 10 teams already, so add a title game there.

 

That way, you have a conference title game for all the BCS conferences. In 2006, OSU/Mich would get a rematch and it doesn't have to come at the expense of a national title game.

 

or Notre Dame to the Big 10, some combo of Boise St./Hawaii/BYU/TCU/Utah to PAC-10

[Andy]

Solution?

 

Louisville to the Big Ten. (12 teams) Add a conference title game.

 

Marshall from C-USA to the Big East. (8 teams) Add a conference title game. C-USA can choose whether to keep their title game or not.

 

Pac-10 has 10 teams already, so add a title game there.

 

That way, you have a conference title game for all the BCS conferences. In 2006, OSU/Mich would get a rematch and it doesn't have to come at the expense of a national title game.

 

or Notre Dame to the Big 10, some combo of Boise St./Hawaii/BYU/TCU/Utah to PAC-10

I'm operating under the assumption that ND won't join a conference. Even if they'd be receptive to it in the future, they've got four more seasons of NBC dollars to look forward to at least (and that's assuming that NBC wouldn't want ND back, which considering the future of the team wouldn't be a good bet).

[goonys evil twin]

Solution?

 

Louisville to the Big Ten. (12 teams) Add a conference title game.

 

Marshall from C-USA to the Big East. (8 teams) Add a conference title game. C-USA can choose whether to keep their title game or not.

 

Pac-10 has 10 teams already, so add a title game there.

 

That way, you have a conference title game for all the BCS conferences. In 2006, OSU/Mich would get a rematch and it doesn't have to come at the expense of a national title game.

 

or Notre Dame to the Big 10, some combo of Boise St./Hawaii/BYU/TCU/Utah to PAC-10

I'm operating under the assumption that ND won't join a conference. Even if they'd be receptive to it in the future, they've got four more seasons of NBC dollars to look forward to at least (and that's assuming that NBC wouldn't want ND back, which considering the future of the team wouldn't be a good bet).

 

Well then there's no point in making all these changes. It's either ND to the Big Ten or nothing.

[Andy]

Solution?

 

Louisville to the Big Ten. (12 teams) Add a conference title game.

 

Marshall from C-USA to the Big East. (8 teams) Add a conference title game. C-USA can choose whether to keep their title game or not.

 

Pac-10 has 10 teams already, so add a title game there.

 

That way, you have a conference title game for all the BCS conferences. In 2006, OSU/Mich would get a rematch and it doesn't have to come at the expense of a national title game.

 

or Notre Dame to the Big 10, some combo of Boise St./Hawaii/BYU/TCU/Utah to PAC-10

I'm operating under the assumption that ND won't join a conference. Even if they'd be receptive to it in the future, they've got four more seasons of NBC dollars to look forward to at least (and that's assuming that NBC wouldn't want ND back, which considering the future of the team wouldn't be a good bet).

 

Well then there's no point in making all these changes. It's either ND to the Big Ten or nothing.

Why would you say that? I thought what I proposed was fairly reasonable.

[goonys evil twin]

Solution?

 

Louisville to the Big Ten. (12 teams) Add a conference title game.

 

Marshall from C-USA to the Big East. (8 teams) Add a conference title game. C-USA can choose whether to keep their title game or not.

 

Pac-10 has 10 teams already, so add a title game there.

 

That way, you have a conference title game for all the BCS conferences. In 2006, OSU/Mich would get a rematch and it doesn't have to come at the expense of a national title game.

 

or Notre Dame to the Big 10, some combo of Boise St./Hawaii/BYU/TCU/Utah to PAC-10

I'm operating under the assumption that ND won't join a conference. Even if they'd be receptive to it in the future, they've got four more seasons of NBC dollars to look forward to at least (and that's assuming that NBC wouldn't want ND back, which considering the future of the team wouldn't be a good bet).

 

Well then there's no point in making all these changes. It's either ND to the Big Ten or nothing.

Why would you say that? I thought what I proposed was fairly reasonable.

 

Of course you do, your an ND fan who likes the advantage of being independent and an iconic program.

 

The only point to make all these changes is to make clear cut winners and bring some "fairness" to the discussion of national championships. That doesn't happen with ND independent.

 

Louisville probably has no chance of setting foot in the Big Ten.

[CubinNY]

Solution?

 

Louisville to the Big Ten. (12 teams) Add a conference title game.

 

Marshall from C-USA to the Big East. (8 teams) Add a conference title game. C-USA can choose whether to keep their title game or not.

 

Pac-10 has 10 teams already, so add a title game there.

 

That way, you have a conference title game for all the BCS conferences. In 2006, OSU/Mich would get a rematch and it doesn't have to come at the expense of a national title game.

 

or Notre Dame to the Big 10, some combo of Boise St./Hawaii/BYU/TCU/Utah to PAC-10

I'm operating under the assumption that ND won't join a conference. Even if they'd be receptive to it in the future, they've got four more seasons of NBC dollars to look forward to at least (and that's assuming that NBC wouldn't want ND back, which considering the future of the team wouldn't be a good bet).

 

Well then there's no point in making all these changes. It's either ND to the Big Ten or nothing.

Why would you say that? I thought what I proposed was fairly reasonable.

 

How would ND get to the playoffs if they aren't in a conference?

 

I think they should join the Big East. They are already there in every other sport.

[soccer10k]

Solution?

 

Louisville to the Big Ten. (12 teams) Add a conference title game.

 

Marshall from C-USA to the Big East. (8 teams) Add a conference title game. C-USA can choose whether to keep their title game or not.

 

Pac-10 has 10 teams already, so add a title game there.

 

That way, you have a conference title game for all the BCS conferences. In 2006, OSU/Mich would get a rematch and it doesn't have to come at the expense of a national title game.

 

or Notre Dame to the Big 10, some combo of Boise St./Hawaii/BYU/TCU/Utah to PAC-10

I'm operating under the assumption that ND won't join a conference. Even if they'd be receptive to it in the future, they've got four more seasons of NBC dollars to look forward to at least (and that's assuming that NBC wouldn't want ND back, which considering the future of the team wouldn't be a good bet).

 

Well then there's no point in making all these changes. It's either ND to the Big Ten or nothing.

Why would you say that? I thought what I proposed was fairly reasonable.

 

Because the whole point of this "solution" was to have every team join a conference.

[Derwood]

Solution?

 

Louisville to the Big Ten. (12 teams) Add a conference title game.

 

Marshall from C-USA to the Big East. (8 teams) Add a conference title game. C-USA can choose whether to keep their title game or not.

 

Pac-10 has 10 teams already, so add a title game there.

 

That way, you have a conference title game for all the BCS conferences. In 2006, OSU/Mich would get a rematch and it doesn't have to come at the expense of a national title game.

 

or Notre Dame to the Big 10, some combo of Boise St./Hawaii/BYU/TCU/Utah to PAC-10

I'm operating under the assumption that ND won't join a conference. Even if they'd be receptive to it in the future, they've got four more seasons of NBC dollars to look forward to at least (and that's assuming that NBC wouldn't want ND back, which considering the future of the team wouldn't be a good bet).

 

Well then there's no point in making all these changes. It's either ND to the Big Ten or nothing.

Why would you say that? I thought what I proposed was fairly reasonable.

 

No teams from below the Mason-Dixon in the Big 10 please. I hate conferences that are all over the map (CUSA, I'm looking in your direction)

[CubinNY]

Solution?

 

Louisville to the Big Ten. (12 teams) Add a conference title game.

 

Marshall from C-USA to the Big East. (8 teams) Add a conference title game. C-USA can choose whether to keep their title game or not.

 

Pac-10 has 10 teams already, so add a title game there.

 

That way, you have a conference title game for all the BCS conferences. In 2006, OSU/Mich would get a rematch and it doesn't have to come at the expense of a national title game.

 

or Notre Dame to the Big 10, some combo of Boise St./Hawaii/BYU/TCU/Utah to PAC-10

I'm operating under the assumption that ND won't join a conference. Even if they'd be receptive to it in the future, they've got four more seasons of NBC dollars to look forward to at least (and that's assuming that NBC wouldn't want ND back, which considering the future of the team wouldn't be a good bet).

 

Well then there's no point in making all these changes. It's either ND to the Big Ten or nothing.

Why would you say that? I thought what I proposed was fairly reasonable.

 

No teams from below the Mason-Dixon in the Big 10 please. I hate conferences that are all over the map (CUSA, I'm looking in your direction)

 

Kentucky is above the Mason-Dixon Line I believe.

[goonys evil twin]

Kentucky is above the Mason-Dixon Line I believe.

 

The official line didn't really go out that far, but Kentucky would be below if it was extended.

[CubinNY]

Solution?

 

Louisville to the Big Ten. (12 teams) Add a conference title game.

 

Marshall from C-USA to the Big East. (8 teams) Add a conference title game. C-USA can choose whether to keep their title game or not.

 

Pac-10 has 10 teams already, so add a title game there.

 

That way, you have a conference title game for all the BCS conferences. In 2006, OSU/Mich would get a rematch and it doesn't have to come at the expense of a national title game.

 

or Notre Dame to the Big 10, some combo of Boise St./Hawaii/BYU/TCU/Utah to PAC-10

I'm operating under the assumption that ND won't join a conference. Even if they'd be receptive to it in the future, they've got four more seasons of NBC dollars to look forward to at least (and that's assuming that NBC wouldn't want ND back, which considering the future of the team wouldn't be a good bet).

 

And therein lies the problem of the NCAA. Notre Dame is greedy. The Big 10/11 is greedy. The ACC is greedy. They are all greedy.

 

I really believe that if these schools would give up a little of their short term greed the solution could be found. And I think down the road a playoff would generate much more money then these bowl games do for member institutions.

 

When it started, "March Madness" was barely televised. I think the 79 Magic/Byrd game was on at two o'clock on a staturday. Just look at it today. It is a cash cow.

[CubColtPacer]

Solution?

 

Louisville to the Big Ten. (12 teams) Add a conference title game.

 

Marshall from C-USA to the Big East. (8 teams) Add a conference title game. C-USA can choose whether to keep their title game or not.

 

Pac-10 has 10 teams already, so add a title game there.

 

That way, you have a conference title game for all the BCS conferences. In 2006, OSU/Mich would get a rematch and it doesn't have to come at the expense of a national title game.

 

or Notre Dame to the Big 10, some combo of Boise St./Hawaii/BYU/TCU/Utah to PAC-10

I'm operating under the assumption that ND won't join a conference. Even if they'd be receptive to it in the future, they've got four more seasons of NBC dollars to look forward to at least (and that's assuming that NBC wouldn't want ND back, which considering the future of the team wouldn't be a good bet).

 

Well then there's no point in making all these changes. It's either ND to the Big Ten or nothing.

Why would you say that? I thought what I proposed was fairly reasonable.

 

No teams from below the Mason-Dixon in the Big 10 please. I hate conferences that are all over the map (CUSA, I'm looking in your direction)

 

Louisville and IU would be very close though. They are only an hour apart.