Fox Sports: Ramirez SIGNS WITH CUBS!

[soccer10k]

Any chance we enter Free Agency in a blaze of glory with Ramirez re-signing and Soriano all in one day??!!Just dreaming................

 

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[abuck1220]

Hendry is not stupid.

 

His performance as a GM indicates otherwise.

What about his performance indicates that he is stupid?

 

 

what about his performance indicates that he isn't? he took a payroll that's higher than almost every team in baseball and used it to build one of the worst teams in baseball.

You are truly asking someone to explain why they think a human being capable of being a General Manager of a Major League Baseball team is not stupid?

 

 

i haven't seen any evidence that hendry is capable of being a gm for a major league baseball team. i maybe would stop short of saying he's an idiot, but he's certainly been a gigantic, without-a-doubt failure as a gm.

 

he's made a couple decent trades, but he also put together the most pathetic team in all of baseball last year. the cubs are a laughingstock, and he's in charge. he's been terrible.

Thank you.

 

I disagree with your opinion, but at least you are calling him a failure instead of an idiot or stupid. An argument can be created for him failing the Cubs, but it cannot be created for him being stupid or an idiot.

 

well, i may say he's a stupid gm or an idiotic gm.

[CubsWin]

Does that make him "an idiot"? I guess not.

Thank you, thats all I'm saying.

 

CubsWin, if you inherit $2 Billion tonight and buy the Cubs tomorrow, would you fire Hendry? I would.

I might, it depends. I would interview him and find out what the heck has been going on behind the scenes. I'd need to know a lot more information. I'd want a lot of answers. But I would have no problem firing him.

[Soriano12]

This is my #1 problem Hendry Philosophy:

 

He operates on his "salary template model". He views that a top slugging offensive third baseman should not earn more than 15 million per season. Hense the stalemate. Hendry figures that if his top slugging offensive third baseman earns 18 million, then this whole "model" is thrown off. Maybe he thinks he won't have enough money to get that "Centerfielder/leadoff" guy. While trying to think three steps ahead, he is tripping over his own two feet in the present.

[USSoccer]

Hendry is going to get it done.

I tend to think so, too. It just makes too much sense. But he might not. If he doesn't, he better have one helluva plan B.

 

Just because Hendry isn't signing him before he hits the open market doesn't mean that he doesn't want to resign him or isn't going to resign him.

 

Think about it, people. Ramirez opted out for reason. It was to get more money and the best way to get as much money as you can is to see what you are worth on the open market. If the reports are true that Hendry has offered something close to 5/75, that is a more than fair offer, IMO. If Kinzer thinks he can do better than that once he hits the open market, then he has to advise his client not to accept the offer. If Hendry thinks that Aramis won't get offered more than that, then it is also in the Cubs best interest to let Ramirez test the waters rather than up the offer before finding out what other people are willing to pay him.

 

Its not like Hendry has pulled the offer off the table. Its called negotiations and there are two sides to them. If one side wants to create leverage by having more than one team in on the bidding, there is much you can do to stop them. Heck, maybe Ramirez doesn't like Piniella. Who knows?

 

When my wife and I were negotiating for our house, we had given a final offer and were contemplating a counter offer. We were really worked up and frustrated by the sellers' and their agent. We weren't that far apart, and the other details were pretty minor, but we were getting hung up on them. Finally, I asked my wife point blank if she wanted the house. She said yes.

 

We agreed to their counter.

 

Sometimes in negotiations you have to realize that to get what you want, you have to let go of your idea of what you wanted.

 

Hendry needs to ask Kinzer what it takes to get him signed tonight.

[Soriano12]

Finally, I asked my wife point blank if she wanted the house. She said yes.

 

I'm in a similiar situation, but I am building a house. We have spent alot more than intended, but if it makes my girl happy, it is well spent IMO.

Because the cost of an unhappy spouse is even worse... :lol:

 

 

The cost of not re-signing Aram is unthinkable at this point.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

 

If you think that paying a guy 15 million a year is more than generous and easily more than his worth when compared against other players of his caliber, but he demands to be paid 18 million, do you give in and allow yourself to get played or do you stand firm on your principles?

 

I understand what you're saying, but budgetary principles can be stupid things to hang onto.

 

Lets say you have to buy 2 items: You need to buy a TV and a DVD player. You have a fixed amount of money to spend on both. You go into Best Buy saying you want to spend no more than $1000 on the TV, and $300 on the DVD player. You bring $1300 with you. You get there, and you see an unbelievably good TV for $1150. It's more than what you resolved to spend, but it will make a huge difference in picture quality. Do you stick to your budgetary principle and get the inferioir TV that will get you by, and get your nice DVD player with a bunch of options, or do you change your budget around, get the nice TV that will make even a poor DVD player look awesome, and get a midrange DVD player?

 

This is what Hendry is faced with. He has the choice between the really good 3B and a cheap bench, or an average 3B and a moderately priced bench. Which is going to make a bigger difference? Both will cost the same net amount of money; its where you allocate your funds that makes the difference.

 

why should we buy a tv and dvd player when we can get 8 vcr's?

 

Well played, Treeman.

Well played? I think the point is an obvious one that no one on this board is disagreeing with.

 

It should be noted that Ramirez may still sign with the Cubs. He's not gone yet.

 

It also should be noted that I never said I agreed with Hendry. In fact, I said the opposite. I said sign him and move on. In other words, pay the man. Do what it takes to get the job done. That's what I want him to do in this instance.

 

The above quote was written in response to people thinking they know exactly why Hendry wasn't going to sign Ramirez and that it was because he had spent 3 million on Rusch, 1.5 million on Miller and so on. The above quote showed that wasn't necessarily the reason why Hendry might choose not to resign someone. He might choose not to resign them because he doesn't think they are worth what they are asking and doesn't want to handcuff the team in the future. Or it could be a slew of other reasons that we don't know anything about.

 

But I think the time is now to overspend. And I think Ramirez is worth overspending to keep.

 

Thats the problem with message boards. People don't take the time to read everything, only quote certain passages and then wind up unintentionally taking things out of context.

 

I still think it was well played and funny.

[RynoRules]

I have thought from the begining of this that ARam would be foolish to take anything Hendry offers him. He'll make an extra 10-20 mill on the open mkt, and probably get an extra guaranteed year. He should at least leverage that against the Cubs, especially since Hendry is now fighting a public relations battle and for his job.

 

The "original sin" here was giving him the opt-out.

[CubsWin]

well, i may say he's a stupid gm or an idiotic gm.

It makes no difference whether you call someone a stupid GM or a stupid man, you are still saying that because he does things differently than you would or because you don't understand why he has done what he has done, that he is stupid. That exhibits either a lack of ability or a lack of willingness to understand another person's point of view.

 

His reasoning may in the end be faulty or outdated, but doesn't mean that his reasoning is illogical or idiotic? He may, MAY, value certain abilities more than we do, does that mean that his reasons for valuing those abilities over others are non-existent or not based on sound experience and logic?

 

There are plenty of reasons to be displeased with the job he has done and many of the decisions he has made. There are no reasons to think that he is an idiot.

 

Idiot:

1. an utterly foolish or senseless person.

2. Psychology. a person of the lowest order in a former classification of mental retardation, having a mental age of less than three years old and an intelligence quotient under 25.

 

Come on, guys. Lets move on.

[CubsWin]

 

If you think that paying a guy 15 million a year is more than generous and easily more than his worth when compared against other players of his caliber, but he demands to be paid 18 million, do you give in and allow yourself to get played or do you stand firm on your principles?

 

I understand what you're saying, but budgetary principles can be stupid things to hang onto.

 

Lets say you have to buy 2 items: You need to buy a TV and a DVD player. You have a fixed amount of money to spend on both. You go into Best Buy saying you want to spend no more than $1000 on the TV, and $300 on the DVD player. You bring $1300 with you. You get there, and you see an unbelievably good TV for $1150. It's more than what you resolved to spend, but it will make a huge difference in picture quality. Do you stick to your budgetary principle and get the inferioir TV that will get you by, and get your nice DVD player with a bunch of options, or do you change your budget around, get the nice TV that will make even a poor DVD player look awesome, and get a midrange DVD player?

 

This is what Hendry is faced with. He has the choice between the really good 3B and a cheap bench, or an average 3B and a moderately priced bench. Which is going to make a bigger difference? Both will cost the same net amount of money; its where you allocate your funds that makes the difference.

 

why should we buy a tv and dvd player when we can get 8 vcr's?

 

Well played, Treeman.

Well played? I think the point is an obvious one that no one on this board is disagreeing with.

 

It should be noted that Ramirez may still sign with the Cubs. He's not gone yet.

 

It also should be noted that I never said I agreed with Hendry. In fact, I said the opposite. I said sign him and move on. In other words, pay the man. Do what it takes to get the job done. That's what I want him to do in this instance.

 

The above quote was written in response to people thinking they know exactly why Hendry wasn't going to sign Ramirez and that it was because he had spent 3 million on Rusch, 1.5 million on Miller and so on. The above quote showed that wasn't necessarily the reason why Hendry might choose not to resign someone. He might choose not to resign them because he doesn't think they are worth what they are asking and doesn't want to handcuff the team in the future. Or it could be a slew of other reasons that we don't know anything about.

 

But I think the time is now to overspend. And I think Ramirez is worth overspending to keep.

 

Thats the problem with message boards. People don't take the time to read everything, only quote certain passages and then wind up unintentionally taking things out of context.

 

I still think it was well played and funny.

I get that and thats cool. I thought it was obvious and putting words in my mouth.

[Careless]

well, i may say he's a stupid gm or an idiotic gm.

It makes no difference whether you call someone a stupid GM or a stupid man, you are still saying that because he does things differently than you would or because you don't understand why he has done what he has done, that he is stupid. That exhibits either a lack of ability or a lack of willingness to understand another person's point of view.

 

His reasoning may in the end be faulty or outdated, but doesn't mean that his reasoning is illogical or idiotic? He may, MAY, value certain abilities more than we do, does that mean that his reasons for valuing those abilities over others are non-existent or not based on sound experience and logic?

 

There are plenty of reasons to be displeased with the job he has done and many of the decisions he has made. There are no reasons to think that he is an idiot.

 

Idiot:

1. an utterly foolish or senseless person.

2. Psychology. a person of the lowest order in a former classification of mental retardation, having a mental age of less than three years old and an intelligence quotient under 25.

 

Come on, guys. Lets move on.

I thought abuck was saying that because hendry is bad at what he does, not because he disagrees with him. Whether or not you agree with his philosophy/strategies, it's impossible to argue that he's good at his job.

Compared to other GM's, hendry is foolish/senseless. "utterly" is up for debate

 

or conceivably, he has insanely bad luck

[RynoRules]

I think Hendry has done a very poor job overall, particularly over the last two seasons. That said, I don't think I know the man well enough to call him an idiot.

[CubsWin]

well, i may say he's a stupid gm or an idiotic gm.

It makes no difference whether you call someone a stupid GM or a stupid man, you are still saying that because he does things differently than you would or because you don't understand why he has done what he has done, that he is stupid. That exhibits either a lack of ability or a lack of willingness to understand another person's point of view.

 

His reasoning may in the end be faulty or outdated, but doesn't mean that his reasoning is illogical or idiotic? He may, MAY, value certain abilities more than we do, does that mean that his reasons for valuing those abilities over others are non-existent or not based on sound experience and logic?

 

There are plenty of reasons to be displeased with the job he has done and many of the decisions he has made. There are no reasons to think that he is an idiot.

 

Idiot:

1. an utterly foolish or senseless person.

2. Psychology. a person of the lowest order in a former classification of mental retardation, having a mental age of less than three years old and an intelligence quotient under 25.

 

Come on, guys. Lets move on.

I thought abuck was saying that because hendry is bad at what he does, not because he disagrees with him. Whether or not you agree with his philosophy/strategies, it's impossible to argue that he's good at his job.

Compared to other GM's, hendry is foolish/senseless. "utterly" is up for debate

 

or conceivably, he has insanely bad luck

I'd say its all up for debate. To think that it is hard and provable fact that Hendry is a bad GM is to know inside information that I don't think any of us who post here know. Because of that, it also means that you must have made up your mind on the subject and closed it to learning new information.

 

Some might think that he is a good GM who's moves made the Cubs competitive in '03 and '04 and that injuries abnormally hurt his team's chances in '05 and '06.

 

Others might think that he just got lucky in '03, failed to do enough in '04 and solidified his bad GMness in '05 and '06.

 

I think it is probably somewhere in the middle. Injuries to key players did happen at an inordinate rate to the Cubs over the past two seasons and Hendry did fail to do enough in '04 and beyond.

 

But does that make him bad? I think that's debatable.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Based on performance, I think it is accurate to say Hendry is a failure as a GM. The results aren't there.

[Backtobanks]

If Hendry signs the right guys, makes a few trades, and gets lucky enough for the Cubs to have a reasonably healthy year, then he will be a genius. Look at Kenny Williams on the South Side. He was the saddest excuse as a GM and had many people calling him dumb. Now he's considered a top-notch GM. Sports is a totally fickle business. For you Bear fans, Rex Grossman has gone from being an MVP candidate to being horrible in a few weeks. Lovie Smith has gone from a savior and a genuis to a fool for not replacing Grossman in the same time span.

[Neuby]

Maybe Ramirez stays?

[CubsWin]

Based on performance, I think it is accurate to say Hendry is a failure as a GM. The results aren't there.

To say that Hendry has failed as the Cubs GM is a very supportable statement.

[CP_414]

If Hendry signs the right guys, makes a few trades, and gets lucky enough for the Cubs to have a reasonably healthy year, then he will be a genius. Look at Kenny Williams on the South Side. He was the saddest excuse as a GM and had many people calling him dumb. Now he's considered a top-notch GM. Sports is a totally fickle business. For you Bear fans, Rex Grossman has gone from being an MVP candidate to being horrible in a few weeks. Lovie Smith has gone from a savior and a genuis to a fool for not replacing Grossman in the same time span.

 

Anyone who thinks Lovie Smith is a fool is an idiot. I will not debate the meaning of the word idiot in this case.

[third eye]

BacktoBanks, that has to be one of the most accurate descriptions of changes in perceptions in the sporting world I've read. Well said. What really irritates me is when the talking heads on the radio and TV buy into it. I personally think Boers and Bernstein are two of the biggest perpetrators of this - although I still find them entertaining from time to time. Sorry to get off topic.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Time keeps ticking.....just a matter of hours before the Angels can offer Ramirez a 6/96 deal.

 

So, I guess we can make good use of the Angels' first round draft pick.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Look at Kenny Williams on the South Side. He was the saddest excuse as a GM and had many people calling him dumb. Now he's considered a top-notch GM.

 

They shouldn't have ever said that in the first place. Under Williams the Sox have never had a losing season.

Edited November 12, 2006 by CardsFanInChiTown

[CubsWin]

Maybe Ramirez stays?

Its still very possible. Maybe even probable. Its impossible for us to know whats probable at this point without knowing the minds of Hendry and Ramirez. But according to all that has been said publicly, Hendry wants to keep him and Ramirez wants to stay, so...

[Soriano12]

If Hendry won't offer Ramirez 96/6, he is an idiot. I will not debate the meaning of the word idiot in this case.

[USSoccer]

 

So, I guess we can make good use of the Angels' first round draft pick.

 

That's funny.

 

I predict a toolsy power hitting OF who has a hole in his swing the size of a hula hoop and the plate discipline of a hyperactive squirrel.

 

Whoever he is, he'll likely never be as good as Ramirez is now.

 

Just under 6 more hours now...

[Neuby]

It's gotta get done .