Fox Sports: Ramirez SIGNS WITH CUBS!

[CuseCubFan69]

A little over 8 hours before Ramirez days as a Cub are over.

 

I think he's just too lazy to pick up the pen and sign.

[Butterscup1679666578]

A little over 8 hours before Ramirez days as a Cub are over.

 

:(

 

anyone want an aramis ramirez jersey?

[soccer10k]

A little over 8 hours before Ramirez days as a Cub are over.

 

:(

 

anyone want an aramis ramirez jersey?

 

Is it an Angels or a Dodgers jersey?

[Soriano12]

If Hendry doesn't re-ink Aram, can we please just run the fat slob out

of Chi-Town?

[Vinestal]

This team is going to be worse than last year (and thats pretty dang bad) if they dont sign ARam and I dont care who else they sign. Hendry has to go, grrrrrrr I think Im going to explode into tiny pieces.

[CuseCubFan69]

This team is going to be worse than last year (and thats pretty dang bad) if they dont sign ARam and I dont care who else they sign. Hendry has to go, grrrrrrr I think Im going to explode into tiny pieces.

 

Hendry thinks that this team needs a new third baseman that can bunt and move the (imaginary) runners over. That's what wins games.

[USSoccer]

This is terrible.

[CuseCubFan69]

This is terrible.

 

This was McPhails kiss goodbye.

[USSoccer]

This is terrible.

 

This was McPhails kiss goodbye.[/quote

 

I hate that man.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

 

If you think that paying a guy 15 million a year is more than generous and easily more than his worth when compared against other players of his caliber, but he demands to be paid 18 million, do you give in and allow yourself to get played or do you stand firm on your principles?

 

I understand what you're saying, but budgetary principles can be stupid things to hang onto.

 

Lets say you have to buy 2 items: You need to buy a TV and a DVD player. You have a fixed amount of money to spend on both. You go into Best Buy saying you want to spend no more than $1000 on the TV, and $300 on the DVD player. You bring $1300 with you. You get there, and you see an unbelievably good TV for $1150. It's more than what you resolved to spend, but it will make a huge difference in picture quality. Do you stick to your budgetary principle and get the inferioir TV that will get you by, and get your nice DVD player with a bunch of options, or do you change your budget around, get the nice TV that will make even a poor DVD player look awesome, and get a midrange DVD player?

 

This is what Hendry is faced with. He has the choice between the really good 3B and a cheap bench, or an average 3B and a moderately priced bench. Which is going to make a bigger difference? Both will cost the same net amount of money; its where you allocate your funds that makes the difference.

 

why should we buy a tv and dvd player when we can get 8 vcr's?

 

Well played, Treeman.

[PrimeTime]

This cant be all Hendrys fault...Im sure hes laying the money out on the table.. Dont you think Aramis could be the stubborn one trying to milk every cent out of them that he can get, " Mr. I wanna be a Cub for life" should take the hometown discount and not ask for like 17 million a year...If he loved the Cubs that much hed take a fair deal and sign the dotted line..

[Butterscup1679666578]

A little over 8 hours before Ramirez days as a Cub are over.

 

:(

 

anyone want an aramis ramirez jersey?

 

Is it an Angels or a Dodgers jersey?

 

nope, cubs jersey. its gonna be sad knowing i cant wear that anymore

 

unless we get manny and he changes his # to 16...hmmm

[E.J.]

A little over 8 hours before Ramirez days as a Cub are over.

 

8 hours until I start looking to score some heroin.

[CuseCubFan69]

This cant be all Hendrys fault...Im sure hes laying the money out on the table.. Dont you think Aramis could be the stubborn one trying to milk every cent out of them that he can get, " Mr. I wanna be a Cub for life" should take the hometown discount and not ask for like 17 million a year...If he loved the Cubs that much hed take a fair deal and sign the dotted line..

 

I blame MacPhail for this stupid out in his contract unless hendry has been trying to lowball him. Ramirez is going to go where the money is.

Edited November 11, 2006 by CuseCubFan69

[Butterscup1679666578]

This cant be all Hendrys fault...Im sure hes laying the money out on the table.. Dont you think Aramis could be the stubborn one trying to milk every cent out of them that he can get, " Mr. I wanna be a Cub for life" should take the hometown discount and not ask for like 17 million a year...If he loved the Cubs that much hed take a fair deal and sign the dotted line..

 

I blame Hendry because Aramis is the best 3B for the Cubs since Santo. Give him whatever he wants and get this over with. And I mean whatever he wants.

[USSoccer]

This cant be all Hendrys fault...Im sure hes laying the money out on the table.. Dont you think Aramis could be the stubborn one trying to milk every cent out of them that he can get, " Mr. I wanna be a Cub for life" should take the hometown discount and not ask for like 17 million a year...If he loved the Cubs that much hed take a fair deal and sign the dotted line..

 

I blame Hendry because Aramis is the best 3B for the Cubs since Santo. Give him whatever he wants and get this over with. And I mean whatever he wants.

 

Pretty much. Sometimes you have to overpay for talent.

[RichHillIsABeast]

Hendry is going to get it done.

[Neuby]

Ramirez has to stay. I just just don't buy it Hendry has no leverage he has to sign Ramirez.

[da bears]

This sucks. Fire Hendry.

[Danny82]

This cant be all Hendrys fault...Im sure hes laying the money out on the table.. Dont you think Aramis could be the stubborn one trying to milk every cent out of them that he can get, " Mr. I wanna be a Cub for life" should take the hometown discount and not ask for like 17 million a year...If he loved the Cubs that much hed take a fair deal and sign the dotted line..

 

I blame MacPhail for this stupid out in his contract unless hendry has been trying to lowball him. Ramirez is going to go where the money is.

 

A lot of people are awfully critical of MacPhail giving A-Ram that out...without knowing all the relevant information. The funny thing is, none of us know if he even would have been a cub the past couple of years without that clause in his contract, do we?

[bhogg]

so if Hendry offers Ramirez the moon and then some and Ramirez declines, it's all Hendry's fault?

 

 

There's always the chance that Ramirez has no interest in putting up awesome numbers but taking 9 kinds of bullcrap from everyone from the fans to the coaching staff.

 

I hope he stays, but I have to believe that Hendry is going to do everything in his power to keep him. Contrary to popular belief around here, Hendry is not stupid.

[Soriano12]

Hendry is not stupid.

 

His performance as a GM indicates otherwise.

[CuseCubFan69]

This cant be all Hendrys fault...Im sure hes laying the money out on the table.. Dont you think Aramis could be the stubborn one trying to milk every cent out of them that he can get, " Mr. I wanna be a Cub for life" should take the hometown discount and not ask for like 17 million a year...If he loved the Cubs that much hed take a fair deal and sign the dotted line..

 

I blame MacPhail for this stupid out in his contract unless hendry has been trying to lowball him. Ramirez is going to go where the money is.

 

A lot of people are awfully critical of MacPhail giving A-Ram that out...without knowing all the relevant information. The funny thing is, none of us know if he even would have been a cub the past couple of years without that clause in his contract, do we?

 

True. We also don't know if he just added it instead of adding some extra cash either.

[CubsWin]

 

If you think that paying a guy 15 million a year is more than generous and easily more than his worth when compared against other players of his caliber, but he demands to be paid 18 million, do you give in and allow yourself to get played or do you stand firm on your principles?

 

I understand what you're saying, but budgetary principles can be stupid things to hang onto.

 

Lets say you have to buy 2 items: You need to buy a TV and a DVD player. You have a fixed amount of money to spend on both. You go into Best Buy saying you want to spend no more than $1000 on the TV, and $300 on the DVD player. You bring $1300 with you. You get there, and you see an unbelievably good TV for $1150. It's more than what you resolved to spend, but it will make a huge difference in picture quality. Do you stick to your budgetary principle and get the inferioir TV that will get you by, and get your nice DVD player with a bunch of options, or do you change your budget around, get the nice TV that will make even a poor DVD player look awesome, and get a midrange DVD player?

 

This is what Hendry is faced with. He has the choice between the really good 3B and a cheap bench, or an average 3B and a moderately priced bench. Which is going to make a bigger difference? Both will cost the same net amount of money; its where you allocate your funds that makes the difference.

 

why should we buy a tv and dvd player when we can get 8 vcr's?

 

Well played, Treeman.

Well played? I think the point is an obvious one that no one on this board is disagreeing with.

 

It should be noted that Ramirez may still sign with the Cubs. He's not gone yet.

 

It also should be noted that I never said I agreed with Hendry. In fact, I said the opposite. I said sign him and move on. In other words, pay the man. Do what it takes to get the job done. That's what I want him to do in this instance.

 

The above quote was written in response to people thinking they know exactly why Hendry wasn't going to sign Ramirez and that it was because he had spent 3 million on Rusch, 1.5 million on Miller and so on. The above quote showed that wasn't necessarily the reason why Hendry might choose not to resign someone. He might choose not to resign them because he doesn't think they are worth what they are asking and doesn't want to handcuff the team in the future. Or it could be a slew of other reasons that we don't know anything about.

 

But I think the time is now to overspend. And I think Ramirez is worth overspending to keep.

 

Thats the problem with message boards. People don't take the time to read everything, only quote certain passages and then wind up unintentionally taking things out of context.

[CubsWin]

Hendry is not stupid.

 

His performance as a GM indicates otherwise.

What about his performance indicates that he is stupid?

 

Clearly he did some things that you disagreed with. I have disagreed with some of his moves (and non-moves) too, but that doesn't mean that he is stupid, does it? Can't two intelligent people disagree on something? Do all intelligent people agree on everything?

 

IMO, what is stupid is thinking that because someone thinks differently than you that they must be an idiot. It shows a complete lack of understanding or willingness to understand someone else's point of view.