Fox Sports: Ramirez SIGNS WITH CUBS!

[E.J.]

I've got to say, I'm getting awfully nervous about not getting Aram back. :x

[Sammy Sofa]

I'm beyond nervous.

 

Now I'm just pissed off.

[sethuel1]

I'm beyond nervous.

 

Now I'm just pissed off.

 

100% agreed.

[goonys evil twin]

I'm actually not nervous or angry right now. I don't expect much good to come out of this offseason.

 

The Ramirez thing is going to come down to the last minute, that has been pretty clear since a couple weeks after the season ended. I expect him to leave if he's not signed by this weekend.

[crowes74]

this stinks of us losing maddux the first time.

 

nice trib. can charge 40 to set in bleachers and not pony up for the 1 or 2 batter in our lineup.

 

no aram, no wrigley for me this season. how can you justify not signing the guy? how many more 3rd basemen are out there? i think we've already been down the nomar path before. if this team lets our 3rd baseman get away, i'll have to start agree w/ those that say the cubs are a joke.

I'm beyond nervous.

 

Now I'm just pissed off.

[illiniguy]

Jim Hendry, this is pretty much the single most important part of you keeping your job. If Aramis gets away you're gone.

[TruffleShuffle]

Jim Hendry, this is pretty much the single most important part of you keeping your job. If Aramis gets away you're gone.

 

Not if he does an adequate job of replacing him. But if he gets away and the Cubs don't bring in any of the big names out there, I'm done having interest in this team, and I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one.

[jmajew]

If Aramis leaves at this point I can deal with that. I just don't see the big difference in making 75-85 million over 5 years and making 90-100 million over 6. Once you make over a certain amount of money doens't the price get a bit ridiculous? I highly doubt that extra 15-25 million is really going to change his lifestyle at all. It also bothers me that these contracts are gaurenteed. I can understand why football players try to get as big of contracts as they can, since they can be cut at any moment, but in baseball it just makes no sense to me.

 

I don't see how making 13 mil compared to 17 mil can affect anyone's life. Especially if the team offering 13 mil a year is the place you would rather be.

 

I apologize for ranting but it really drives me crazy. I don't want a player who will squeeze out every last cent out of a team, especially when they are already making so freaking much.

 

With all that said offer up 6/90 for Aramis and if he says no tell him to go play somewhere else. I also think the MLB should install a salary cap, one along the lines of the NFL but where the contracts are guarenteed so you can't sign someone to a huge contract and then when he sucks you can just cut him. Once again I apologize that is for a completely different debate.

[USSoccer]

I see no reason why you wouldn't go to 6 years if it means you keep him. He'll be 33 at the end of that deal. Not exactly old, really.

 

Also, I'll say it again, if he's asking for $17m per and the extra $2m or $3m per means we have to pass on Henry Blanco, who cares.

 

This really needs to get done. Sometimes you have to overpay for quality. Sticking to principle in this case will result in our team being absolutely terrible in 2007.

[jmajew]

I see no reason why you wouldn't go to 6 years if it means you keep him. He'll be 33 at the end of that deal. Not exactly old, really.

 

Also, I'll say it again, if he's asking for $17m per and the extra $2m or $3m per means we have to pass on Henry Blanco, who cares.

 

This really needs to get done. Sometimes you have to overpay for quality. Sticking to principle in this case will result in our team being absolutely terrible in 2007.

 

Its not principle. We can't build a winner by signing 4 guys at 17 mil a year. It is not possible. The team will not win. You need homegrown talent to win a world series and then mix in free agents. We dont' have enough homegrown talent.

[Danny82]

I think quite a few of you are needlessly freaking out about this...at least for now.

 

There's really no point in getting so upset until he actually signs somewhere else. Nothing's finished yet.

 

Personally, I just find it best to sit back and see what happens. Then, when it does, that's the time to react...and berate those in charge, if necessary.

[TruffleShuffle]

If Aramis leaves at this point I can deal with that. I just don't see the big difference in making 75-85 million over 5 years and making 90-100 million over 6. Once you make over a certain amount of money doens't the price get a bit ridiculous? I highly doubt that extra 15-25 million is really going to change his lifestyle at all. It also bothers me that these contracts are gaurenteed. I can understand why football players try to get as big of contracts as they can, since they can be cut at any moment, but in baseball it just makes no sense to me.

 

I don't see how making 13 mil compared to 17 mil can affect anyone's life. Especially if the team offering 13 mil a year is the place you would rather be.

 

I apologize for ranting but it really drives me crazy. I don't want a player who will squeeze out every last cent out of a team, especially when they are already making so freaking much.

 

With all that said offer up 6/90 for Aramis and if he says no tell him to go play somewhere else. I also think the MLB should install a salary cap, one along the lines of the NFL but where the contracts are guarenteed so you can't sign someone to a huge contract and then when he sucks you can just cut him. Once again I apologize that is for a completely different debate.

 

That's all well and good, but in baseball, sports, hell, most anywhere in the world, people are going to go for the highest offer 90% of the time. If the Cubs had the attitude of "well what's the difference between $15 and $17 million a year, he's rich either way," they'd end up with no good players at all.

[UMFan83]

I'm not mad that Ramirez is leaving. I expected it all along. The rule of the Cubs since 2005 is what can go wrong will go wrong

[PrimeTime]

If Aramis leaves at this point I can deal with that. I just don't see the big difference in making 75-85 million over 5 years and making 90-100 million over 6. Once you make over a certain amount of money doens't the price get a bit ridiculous? I highly doubt that extra 15-25 million is really going to change his lifestyle at all. It also bothers me that these contracts are gaurenteed. I can understand why football players try to get as big of contracts as they can, since they can be cut at any moment, but in baseball it just makes no sense to me.

 

I don't see how making 13 mil compared to 17 mil can affect anyone's life. Especially if the team offering 13 mil a year is the place you would rather be.

 

I apologize for ranting but it really drives me crazy. I don't want a player who will squeeze out every last cent out of a team, especially when they are already making so freaking much.

 

With all that said offer up 6/90 for Aramis and if he says no tell him to go play somewhere else. I also think the MLB should install a salary cap, one along the lines of the NFL but where the contracts are guarenteed so you can't sign someone to a huge contract and then when he sucks you can just cut him. Once again I apologize that is for a completely different debate.

 

 

I totally agree with you...For a guy who said " I want to be a cub the rest of my life" and all that other stuff, he really is being stubborn about this, if he really loved this team he wouldve already signed..Hes making so much money, what the hell does he need a extra 2 million for?? Hes acting just like how he hustles..slow and stubborn

[JeffH]

Wouldn't it be nice to add the Izturis money to Aramis' offer?

 

Hendry is woeful.

[jmajew]

If Aramis leaves at this point I can deal with that. I just don't see the big difference in making 75-85 million over 5 years and making 90-100 million over 6. Once you make over a certain amount of money doens't the price get a bit ridiculous? I highly doubt that extra 15-25 million is really going to change his lifestyle at all. It also bothers me that these contracts are gaurenteed. I can understand why football players try to get as big of contracts as they can, since they can be cut at any moment, but in baseball it just makes no sense to me.

 

I don't see how making 13 mil compared to 17 mil can affect anyone's life. Especially if the team offering 13 mil a year is the place you would rather be.

 

I apologize for ranting but it really drives me crazy. I don't want a player who will squeeze out every last cent out of a team, especially when they are already making so freaking much.

 

With all that said offer up 6/90 for Aramis and if he says no tell him to go play somewhere else. I also think the MLB should install a salary cap, one along the lines of the NFL but where the contracts are guarenteed so you can't sign someone to a huge contract and then when he sucks you can just cut him. Once again I apologize that is for a completely different debate.

 

That's all well and good, but in baseball, sports, hell, most anywhere in the world, people are going to go for the highest offer 90% of the time. If the Cubs had the attitude of "well what's the difference between $15 and $17 million a year, he's rich either way," they'd end up with no good players at all.

 

Yeah money does matter for most people, but most people make under 100,000 a year. And frankly, it is tough to live a comfortable life and be able to send your kids to college if you don't make that much. So for people who make under 100,000 a year if they make 75,000 at one job but are offered 85,000 at another most people to jump to the other company because the money does make a huge difference in their lifestyles. But when it comes to people making 10 million or 15 million it doesn't change their lifestyles at all. Those are the ones who trully have a choice where they work and go wherever they would be happiest.

[TruffleShuffle]

If Aramis leaves at this point I can deal with that. I just don't see the big difference in making 75-85 million over 5 years and making 90-100 million over 6. Once you make over a certain amount of money doens't the price get a bit ridiculous? I highly doubt that extra 15-25 million is really going to change his lifestyle at all. It also bothers me that these contracts are gaurenteed. I can understand why football players try to get as big of contracts as they can, since they can be cut at any moment, but in baseball it just makes no sense to me.

 

I don't see how making 13 mil compared to 17 mil can affect anyone's life. Especially if the team offering 13 mil a year is the place you would rather be.

 

I apologize for ranting but it really drives me crazy. I don't want a player who will squeeze out every last cent out of a team, especially when they are already making so freaking much.

 

With all that said offer up 6/90 for Aramis and if he says no tell him to go play somewhere else. I also think the MLB should install a salary cap, one along the lines of the NFL but where the contracts are guarenteed so you can't sign someone to a huge contract and then when he sucks you can just cut him. Once again I apologize that is for a completely different debate.

 

That's all well and good, but in baseball, sports, hell, most anywhere in the world, people are going to go for the highest offer 90% of the time. If the Cubs had the attitude of "well what's the difference between $15 and $17 million a year, he's rich either way," they'd end up with no good players at all.

 

Yeah money does matter for most people, but most people make under 100,000 a year. And frankly, it is tough to live a comfortable life and be able to send your kids to college if you don't make that much. So for people who make under 100,000 a year if they make 75,000 at one job but are offered 85,000 at another most people to jump to the other company because the money does make a huge difference in their lifestyles. But when it comes to people making 10 million or 15 million it doesn't change their lifestyles at all. Those are the ones who trully have a choice where they work and go wherever they would be happiest.

 

Hey, I don't know what to tell you. None of us are that rich or ever will be. But the vast majority of guys go for the highest offer. Maybe all MLB players are just greedy pricks.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

But when it comes to people making 10 million or 15 million it doesn't change their lifestyles at all. Those are the ones who trully have a choice where they work and go wherever they would be happiest.

 

False.

[jmajew]

If Aramis leaves at this point I can deal with that. I just don't see the big difference in making 75-85 million over 5 years and making 90-100 million over 6. Once you make over a certain amount of money doens't the price get a bit ridiculous? I highly doubt that extra 15-25 million is really going to change his lifestyle at all. It also bothers me that these contracts are gaurenteed. I can understand why football players try to get as big of contracts as they can, since they can be cut at any moment, but in baseball it just makes no sense to me.

 

I don't see how making 13 mil compared to 17 mil can affect anyone's life. Especially if the team offering 13 mil a year is the place you would rather be.

 

I apologize for ranting but it really drives me crazy. I don't want a player who will squeeze out every last cent out of a team, especially when they are already making so freaking much.

 

With all that said offer up 6/90 for Aramis and if he says no tell him to go play somewhere else. I also think the MLB should install a salary cap, one along the lines of the NFL but where the contracts are guarenteed so you can't sign someone to a huge contract and then when he sucks you can just cut him. Once again I apologize that is for a completely different debate.

 

That's all well and good, but in baseball, sports, hell, most anywhere in the world, people are going to go for the highest offer 90% of the time. If the Cubs had the attitude of "well what's the difference between $15 and $17 million a year, he's rich either way," they'd end up with no good players at all.

 

Yeah money does matter for most people, but most people make under 100,000 a year. And frankly, it is tough to live a comfortable life and be able to send your kids to college if you don't make that much. So for people who make under 100,000 a year if they make 75,000 at one job but are offered 85,000 at another most people to jump to the other company because the money does make a huge difference in their lifestyles. But when it comes to people making 10 million or 15 million it doesn't change their lifestyles at all. Those are the ones who trully have a choice where they work and go wherever they would be happiest.

 

Hey, I don't know what to tell you. None of us are that rich or ever will be. But the vast majority of guys go for the highest offer. Maybe all MLB players are just greedy pricks.

 

Sorry for going off on this. It is just one of my biggest pet peeves. I almost compare what Aramis is doing to when Latrell Sprewell said he has to feed his family after he turned down a 3/27 million deal. Most of these pro-athletes are morons.

[TruffleShuffle]

But when it comes to people making 10 million or 15 million it doesn't change their lifestyles at all. Those are the ones who trully have a choice where they work and go wherever they would be happiest.

 

Also, don't forget that the career of a major league ballplayer usually is less than 10 years, or even in the case of good players, usually less than 15. Yes, they can earn money from autograph signings and stuff after they retire, and some go on to become TV commentators or coaches, but that doesn't pay nearly as well. If they want to live like a very rich person for their entire life, they probably should take the highest offer, especially if there's a difference of more than $2-3M per year.

[jmajew]

But when it comes to people making 10 million or 15 million it doesn't change their lifestyles at all. Those are the ones who trully have a choice where they work and go wherever they would be happiest.

 

False.

 

How is it false? Other than they can buy an extra yacht or an extra vacation home or their own private jet?

[TruffleShuffle]

Sorry for going off on this. It is just one of my biggest pet peeves. I almost compare what Aramis is doing to when Latrell Sprewell said he has to feed his family after he turned down a 3/27 million deal. Most of these pro-athletes are morons.

 

Just because they go for the highest offer doesn't make them stupid. Yes, what Sprewell said was very dumb, but most guys aren't going to pretend that they need the money for bare necessities. Someday I may be out on the job market and take the highest offer... I think it would be hypocritical for me to look down on someone else for doing the same thing, regardless of what that price may be.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

But when it comes to people making 10 million or 15 million it doesn't change their lifestyles at all. Those are the ones who trully have a choice where they work and go wherever they would be happiest.

 

False.

 

How is it false? Other than they can buy an extra yacht or an extra vacation home or their own private jet?

 

The ones making the most money are typically the most greedy. They are typically more likely to accept a $15M vs $10M deal than me choosing my $55K over a $60K offer on the other side of town. I've spent years around the mega rich (one of them Warren Buffet), and almost all are money grubbing tightwads who would trip their grandmothers to pick up a quarter off of the ground. It's why most of them are in that position.

[sethuel1]

But when it comes to people making 10 million or 15 million it doesn't change their lifestyles at all. Those are the ones who trully have a choice where they work and go wherever they would be happiest.

 

False.

 

How is it false? Other than they can buy an extra yacht or an extra vacation home or their own private jet?

 

Sounds good to me. I don't think there's any situation where I wouldn't want an extra yacht. If that makes me greedy, oh well.

[jmajew]

But when it comes to people making 10 million or 15 million it doesn't change their lifestyles at all. Those are the ones who trully have a choice where they work and go wherever they would be happiest.

 

Also, don't forget that the career of a major league ballplayer usually is less than 10 years, or even in the case of good players, usually less than 15. Yes, they can earn money from autograph signings and stuff after they retire, and some go on to become TV commentators or coaches, but that doesn't pay nearly as well. If they want to live like a very rich person for their entire life, they probably should take the highest offer, especially if there's a difference of more than $2-3M per year.

 

Lets say they keep 20 million in a standard savings acount. Assuming someone like ARamis is going ot make about 90 million over six is highly probably. If it is at about what 4% interest could be wrong but if it is 4% they woudl be making about 800,000 a year for the rest of their lives. I'm pretty sure than can live a great life off of that.