Fox Sports: Ramirez SIGNS WITH CUBS!

[LeftCoastCubFan]

How many players make 17 million a year?

 

http://cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/salaries/top50

 

Eight

 

1. Alex Rodriguez, NYY $25,680,727

2. Rogers Clemens, HOU $22,000,000

3. Derek Jeter, NYY $20,600,000

4. Jason Giambi, NYY $20,428,571

5. Barry Bonds, SF $20,000,000

6. Jeff Bagwell, HOU $19,369,019

7. Mike Mussina, NYY $19,000,000

8. Manny Ramirez, BOS $18,279,238

And half will be making less in 2007 (Clemens, Bonds, Bagwell, Mussina)

[Garwilly]

Although. obviously, Bagwell and Bonds won't anymore.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

How many players make 17 million a year?

 

5/$75m is only $15m per.

 

I blame the economics talk in Social.

 

15 mil a year probably puts Ramirez near the top 10 depending on what other contracts are signed this offseason.

[frostwyrm]

The danger is that Hendry might have to pay above market value due to the crappy seasons the Cubs have had recently.

[goonys evil twin]

That list doesn't take into account guys like Beltran who will make $12m next year, but $18.5m every year after that. That only takes into account what guys made in 2006.

[goonys evil twin]

Looking at the list also reminds me how pissed I am that Hendry ignored Vladdy. He's signed for 2 more years for little more than Furcal makes, and the team has a $15m option for 2009.

[C.C.]

Looking at the list also reminds me how pissed I am that Hendry ignored Vladdy. He's signed for 2 more years for little more than Furcal makes, and the team has a $15m option for 2009.

 

You really nailed it there! Vlad is a bargain.

[third eye]

I have a VERY hard time believing that Aramis' demands are only 5/75. Look, alot of people are making it sound as though Hendry doesnt realize what is riding on this. He knows his job is at stake, and if Aramis walks it wont be because Hendry was asleep at the wheel or oblivious IMO. We can certainly criticise his decisions and judgement in the past, but to claim he is too lazy or incompetent to understand the hole this will create is a stretch, in my view.

 

It makes much more sense that Aramis' agent is having him hold out until the last possible moment. If Aramis told his agent he wants to stay in Chicago, then his agent's duty would be to get as much for him here as possible. There would be no incentive to sign early with the leverage they have. And there is very little downside to them asking for premium money. Hendry's language on the matter reminds me of the tone during DLee's negotiations. Granted DLee wasnt in a contract year, but Hendry had to show some level of discretion in his statements in order to maintain some leverage. Now, if Aramis doesnt really care to stay here, then why would his agent advise him to accept anything the cubs offer right now? He will surely get at least 5/75 on the open market, and that's why it makes no sense to me that those are the only demands his side is making right now.

[NorthsideAvenger]

As someone mentione earlier in the thread, I would go only as high as 5 yr 80 mill. While ARam is one of the game's better hitter, he is easily not in the Top 10, and you can make a case for Top 15.

 

To me, why pay a guy Top 5 money, when he isn't a Top 5 guy? How many MVP's have he been considered for? ASG? Now, while I like ARam, and I want him back---and believe he will be back---he is not a player you simply throw money out to try and re-sign. ANd while the Saturday deadline is abit earlier, I have no problem with a deadline being set.

[USSoccer]

As someone mentione earlier in the thread, I would go only as high as 5 yr 80 mill. While ARam is one of the game's better hitter, he is easily not in the Top 10, and you can make a case for Top 15.

 

To me, why pay a guy Top 5 money, when he isn't a Top 5 guy? How many MVP's have he been considered for? ASG? Now, while I like ARam, and I want him back---and believe he will be back---he is not a player you simply throw money out to try and re-sign. ANd while the Saturday deadline is abit earlier, I have no problem with a deadline being set.

 

I believe he's been to the All Star game the exact same number of times as Derrek Lee, and is entering prime age, where he could get MVP consideration if he has a flukey career year like Lee did.

 

Ramirez is one of the best 20 hitters in baseball. He should be retained, and there really shouldn't be much thought about it.

[RichHillIsABeast]

As someone mentione earlier in the thread, I would go only as high as 5 yr 80 mill. While ARam is one of the game's better hitter, he is easily not in the Top 10, and you can make a case for Top 15.

 

To me, why pay a guy Top 5 money, when he isn't a Top 5 guy? How many MVP's have he been considered for? ASG? Now, while I like ARam, and I want him back---and believe he will be back---he is not a player you simply throw money out to try and re-sign. ANd while the Saturday deadline is abit earlier, I have no problem with a deadline being set.

 

I believe he's been to the All Star game the exact same number of times as Derrek Lee, and is entering prime age, where he could get MVP consideration if he has a flukey career year like Lee did.

 

Ramirez is one of the best 20 hitters in baseball. He should be retained, and there really shouldn't be much thought about it.

 

He doesn't hustle. :roll:

 

Let that bum walk.

 

 

P.S. Bring Pierre back!

 

P.P.S. Neifi too!

[NorthsideAvenger]

I believe he's been to the All Star game the exact same number of times as Derrek Lee, and is entering prime age, where he could get MVP consideration if he has a flukey career year like Lee did.

 

I'm not comparing ARam to Lee, I'm comparing ARam to other "great" hitters around the league. I like ARam, and I believe he will stay, but he isn't a player you "throw the money to " to get him to stay. He would be impossible to replace with his production, but I believe if he leaves, he won't be the backbreaker, as some suggested.

 

 

Ramirez is one of the best 20 hitters in baseball. He should be retained, and there really shouldn't be much thought about it.

 

Yes, he is.....but he is asking to be paid like he is a Top 10 hitter. ANd he isn't a Top 10 hitter. He should be paid accordingly. And the 5 yrs $80 mill is pushing it. If he can't see himself taking a VERY REASONABLE offer from the Cubs, then maybe he shouldn't be on the Cubs anymore. The White Sox did fine without Ordonez.

 

I want ARam to return, but if he is determine to test the FA, then he had no illusions of staying in Chicago in the first place. I don't mind the deadline (although it was a bit premature), and Hendry is trying to get a decision from ARam ASAP. He can't allow ARam to dictate the offseason. If ARam has to listen to other teams offers, fine, but not at the expense of the Cubs sitting at home, waiting for his call.

[goonys evil twin]

Yes, he is.....but he is asking to be paid like he is a Top 10 hitter. ANd he isn't a Top 10 hitter. He should be paid accordingly. And the 5 yrs $80 mill is pushing it. If he can't see himself taking a VERY REASONABLE offer from the Cubs, then maybe he shouldn't be on the Cubs anymore. The White Sox did fine without Ordonez.

 

He might be asking to get paid like a top 10 was paid last year, but in a couple years, that probably won't be top 10 money.

[abuck1220]

 

To me, why pay a guy Top 5 money, when he isn't a Top 5 guy?

 

1. because the cubs have the money

2. because the cubs suck, and they will suck even worse without him

3. because there's nobody else worth spending the money on

[USSoccer]

I believe he's been to the All Star game the exact same number of times as Derrek Lee, and is entering prime age, where he could get MVP consideration if he has a flukey career year like Lee did.

 

I'm not comparing ARam to Lee, I'm comparing ARam to other "great" hitters around the league. I like ARam, and I believe he will stay, but he isn't a player you "throw the money to " to get him to stay. He would be impossible to replace with his production, but I believe if he leaves, he won't be the backbreaker, as some suggested.

 

 

Ramirez is one of the best 20 hitters in baseball. He should be retained, and there really shouldn't be much thought about it.

 

Yes, he is.....but he is asking to be paid like he is a Top 10 hitter. ANd he isn't a Top 10 hitter. He should be paid accordingly. And the 5 yrs $80 mill is pushing it. If he can't see himself taking a VERY REASONABLE offer from the Cubs, then maybe he shouldn't be on the Cubs anymore. The White Sox did fine without Ordonez.

 

I want ARam to return, but if he is determine to test the FA, then he had no illusions of staying in Chicago in the first place. I don't mind the deadline (although it was a bit premature), and Hendry is trying to get a decision from ARam ASAP. He can't allow ARam to dictate the offseason. If ARam has to listen to other teams offers, fine, but not at the expense of the Cubs sitting at home, waiting for his call.

 

Compare him to other NL 3B. He's no worse than 5th, and as high as 2nd based on his current level of production. Cabrera, Wright, and Aramis are your top 3 NL 3B. Why shouldn't Aramis be paid top 3 at his position? In a weak FA market, isn't he worth whatever the market bears him to be worth? He's the premire FA in terms of age and production. If the difference between what Aramis wants and what Hendry is offering is like $3m per, isn't that worth ensuring that your 3B doesn't suck next year? Isn't Aramis' production worth not having an extra $3-4m for the next 5 years to waste on a reclamation project or a crap veteran?

 

For 3 years Hendry has overpaid garbage baseball players. It's damn time he overpay to keep a very good one.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

As someone mentione earlier in the thread, I would go only as high as 5 yr 80 mill. While ARam is one of the game's better hitter, he is easily not in the Top 10, and you can make a case for Top 15.

 

To me, why pay a guy Top 5 money, when he isn't a Top 5 guy? How many MVP's have he been considered for? ASG? Now, while I like ARam, and I want him back---and believe he will be back---he is not a player you simply throw money out to try and re-sign. ANd while the Saturday deadline is abit earlier, I have no problem with a deadline being set.

 

You have to pay him top ten money because someone else will. If every player was a FA every year, you could make that argument more easily. But that isn't the case.

 

Right now, a lot of teams have money to spend and there aren't a lot of players out there worth that money. Guys are going to get overpaid.

 

Ramirez will make the money. If the Cubs don't pay him someone will. Furthermore, if the Cubs let Ramirez walk, there isn't really a feasable way to make this team a contender for 2007. If that's ok with the Cubs, they should let him walk.

 

Sometimes you have to overpay to get what you need.

[Wheelimus]

Lets face it, if we do not sign Aramis we are finished for next season and beyond. Back to back disaster years and we don't get any decent free agent in '08.

 

Aramis Ramirez will not be a roadblock to our team next year at $15 million.

[Hoosiercubbie]

ESPN 1000 in Chicago just reported that the Cubs offer to Ramirez is 5/70 and that it is not a take it or leave it offer.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

ESPN 1000 in Chicago just reported that the Cubs offer to Ramirez is 5/70 and that it is not a take it or leave it offer.

 

Throw in the extra million and get it done, Jim!

[C.C.]

As someone mentione earlier in the thread, I would go only as high as 5 yr 80 mill. While ARam is one of the game's better hitter, he is easily not in the Top 10, and you can make a case for Top 15.

 

To me, why pay a guy Top 5 money, when he isn't a Top 5 guy? How many MVP's have he been considered for? ASG? Now, while I like ARam, and I want him back---and believe he will be back---he is not a player you simply throw money out to try and re-sign. ANd while the Saturday deadline is abit earlier, I have no problem with a deadline being set.

 

You have to pay him top ten money because someone else will. If every player was a FA every year, you could make that argument more easily. But that isn't the case.

 

Right now, a lot of teams have money to spend and there aren't a lot of players out there worth that money. Guys are going to get overpaid.

 

Ramirez will make the money. If the Cubs don't pay him someone will. Furthermore, if the Cubs let Ramirez walk, there isn't really a feasable way to make this team a contender for 2007. If that's ok with the Cubs, they should let him walk.

 

Sometimes you have to overpay to get what you need.

 

Very true. Sometimes you have to over pay.

[abuck1220]

ESPN 1000 in Chicago just reported that the Cubs offer to Ramirez is 5/70 and that it is not a take it or leave it offer.

 

i really hope that the cubs wouldn't add the 'take it or leave it' language at this point.

[YearofDaCubs]

ESPN 1000 in Chicago just reported that the Cubs offer to Ramirez is 5/70 and that it is not a take it or leave it offer.

I think that's a fair deal for both parties.

[Wheelimus]

I think Aram counters 5/75 and they take it.

[goonys evil twin]

ESPN 1000 in Chicago just reported that the Cubs offer to Ramirez is 5/70 and that it is not a take it or leave it offer.

 

i really hope that the cubs wouldn't add the 'take it or leave it' language at this point.

 

I agree. I think you need to go about as high as you are willing to go now. If they don't sign, then just tell them you are going to have to go forward with the assumption he's not coming back. Let it be known that Aramis's money might be used elsewhere, but don't just give a blanket take it or leave it. Tell them you'll listen if they come back with an offer they want the Cubs to match, but make it clear you aren't going to wait all winter to figure out what direction you're taking.

[USSoccer]

I think Aram counters 5/75 and they take it.

 

Lets hope.